r/slaythespire • u/A_Certain_Surprise • Oct 10 '24
META Xecnar attempts to continue his rotating A20H streak to 25 Spoiler
...and loses to Awakened One as The Silent!
What a phenomincal achievment. The current world record, which beat Baalorlord's previous world record by 4 runs (20%). Insane
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u/ZengZiong Oct 10 '24
I see a damn post everyday and started watching him. I've no clue how he was able to predict things so far ahead. def an educating experience for myself.
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u/Doomblaze Oct 10 '24
Play the game for a few thousand more hours and you’ll see a little bit of what he does
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u/Crispy75 Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
Amazed the run went as far as it did. Choker on the card spam character? The kiss of death for me but Xec took it all the way to floor 52. Some absolutely clutch dead branch saves there too, like summoning Malaise in awakened one.
24 is an incredible achievement and I don't know who else is going to challenge it any time soon quite frankly!
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u/Everlance Oct 10 '24
Did not watch the stream but did Xecnar lose after taking choker and then getting dead branch? If so sounds like how baalor lost his streak last time, forced to take choker then eventually got dead branch + corruption but unable to utilise it cause of choker
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u/Crispy75 Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
It wasn't the branch's fault. The branch came late but was still good with choker because it's free draw that doesn't cost a card play.
The run was going quite well, but HP loss to some horrible draws towards the end of A3 (eg. all darklings attacking turn 1 with no block drawn) made the bosses much harder. Donu & Deca were challenging but Awakened One really punished the deck's reliance on powers. Triple footwork, double WLP among others.
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u/CRMagic Oct 10 '24
Wait...darklings attacking with no block drawn is a low roll? I thought it was their scripted turn 1.
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u/-Potatoes- Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
If it was an act 2 fight it would be scripted lol
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u/Responsible_Lie_6966 Oct 10 '24
(eg. all darklings attacking turn 1 with no block drawn)
This just gave me PTSD.
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u/ManceRaider Oct 10 '24
There’s a good case for swapping on Hexaghost with Ironclad given how that boss interacts with your current health. Ironclad also arguably benefits from a 4th energy more than the other characters. High rolling an energy relic can make a huge difference with him.
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u/OurSocialStatus Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
Look at it like this: Having an extra energy lets you save HP that you would have otherwise lost with only 3 and that’s effectively the same as gaining HP.
One extra energy will often save you more than 6hp per fight.
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u/SuperGanondorf Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 11 '24
I think the thing with boss swapping on Clad is that you also need to make sure you have a low-intensity path you can take. Lowrolling something like Tiny House into an Elite-heavy path can be brutal on Clad, because now you don't have energy or healing.
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u/BandicootGood5246 Oct 10 '24
The alternatives were pretty bad, random colorless, neow's or curse for transform 2. Colorless and transform are as much a gamble as boss swap and evenlower power and Neow's would've been a big gamble for a snipe
The boss relics are on average stronger than Silent/IC base power, it's just that it's a gamble you roll into a bad one, but I think here the chance of the others low rolling is even more of a set back
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u/n00dle_king Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
TBH boss swap choker isn’t that bad even on silent since you can plan for it. The main issue was he low rolled a lot of relics fights and events early on that had him playing catchup the whole run.
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u/angrehorse Oct 10 '24
I remember he had a silent run from a few months ago where he had dead branch and blade dance at the end of act 1 but still picked choker because it was the only energy relic, it pained me to watch it.
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u/BandicootGood5246 Oct 10 '24
Exactly. People underestimate it on silent, if you aren't committed to shivs or some kind of infinite draw tactician setup it's all good. Xec even beat act 4 with this deck and has had a few other silent choker A20 heart kills recently. Just stack up on footworks and it's all good
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u/philrmack Oct 10 '24
One of the most insanely brutal act 2s I've ever seen, massive props to xec for even getting to the act 3 boss gauntlet.
I audibly gasped when he was trying desperately to conserve HP by going for 2 question marks before act 2 elite and he got knowing skull into altar. terrible act 2 translated into being consistently a bit behind curve on upgrades and relics, having to duck colosseum part 2 because he was literally on 1hp which otherwise would have been money and relics, forced pathing due to no keys in act 3, and then slowly bleeding out across act 3 (and having to red key before boss gauntlet). the deck just could not consistently block without having paper krane weakness and footwork down which meant that the chip damage from bosses and tough hallways just added up over time.
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u/A_Certain_Surprise Oct 10 '24
It goes to show the difference between players like him, and scrubs such as myself. I accidentally waste a potion and consider the run over, this mad lad has some of the worst luck I've seen for a top player and still got to the act 3 bosses
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u/philrmack Oct 10 '24
yeah no kidding, whereas us mortals die to unexpected speedbumps or plain old misplays, it takes xec bricking one of the worst possible boss swaps into the most savage possible act 2 into a particularly terrible act 3 boss gauntlet to bring him down.
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u/OurSocialStatus Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
Him managing to take his intangible pot all the way to the A3 bosses absolutely fucking blew my mind with how scary so many fights were before it.
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u/paloo Oct 10 '24
Topping the record by a full rotation is an insane achievement, don't think anyone ever managed to do that. The spire GOAT.
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u/theceasingtomorrow Oct 10 '24
I’m not in the habit of watching twitch streams but i’d been keeping up with Xec’s exploits thanks to this sub, and randomly decided to tune in today only to watch him die within ten minutes lol
Sorry guys I think that was my bad
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u/L_Gobetti Oct 10 '24
do we know whether Baalorlord will try and regain the world record now it's been beaten? I only watch his Youtube videos, which are usually a few days (or even weeks) behind the streams and I'm curious to know if he commented on it live on stream and if he's expressed any interest in taking this challenge again!
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u/CarcosanAnarchist Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
He may later but right now he’s really focused on the extensively play one character to get better at them plan for the year.
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u/mtr32222222 Oct 10 '24
I haven't seen any recent comments from Baalor but in the past he's mentioned that he was never motivated to top his own record. I imagine that at some point he'll start playing rotating again now that there's a new record to go after.
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u/CoolUsername1111 Oct 10 '24
in a recent yt vid he said he's going back to rotating streaks soon since he's mostly been playing single character
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u/BrandonJaspers Oct 10 '24
I believe he’s said that he’s going back to rotating after this year’s challenge.
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u/bamfg Oct 10 '24
baalor is an incredible player but I don't think his style will regain him the record. he is an entertainer, he makes left field choices for content value - he won't be spending hours waiting for Nilry's to generate nightmare and alchemize until he has 2x ghost in a jar
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u/Avantir Oct 10 '24
Counterpoint: The record still really shouldn't be that hard to beat. I saw people here predicting Xecnar would double the record. Baalorlord probably couldn't do that, but he could probably lengthen it by 1 or 2. Although if Xecnar keeps going, Baalorlord probably won't get the chance anyways.
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u/BandicootGood5246 Oct 10 '24
Those who thought it could be doubled are using wishful thinking. To get a 40 streak with even 95% winrate is only a 12% chance and no one is winning at that high of a rate across the board except for Watcher. Given Xecnar is playing an attempt per day I really doubt he, or anyone is ever hitting a 40 streak unless they really find ways to optimize the lower winrate classes
Personally I'd be very surprised if anyone ever beats this Xecnar record, even with optimal gameplay the probabilities are just so low, and the time investment is intensive
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u/Ohrami9 Oct 11 '24
You'll be surprised if anyone ever beats it? That's a pretty sus prediction.
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u/BandicootGood5246 Oct 11 '24
Yeah, I mean given the time and effort it could take. Assuming even a 90% winrate average across all classes that's still only 8% chance to get to 24, that's like half a year of attempts and I don't think anyone's at 90%
I just think there's a chance people just move onto STS2 before anyone gets there
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u/Ohrami9 Oct 11 '24
I don't believe people will just move on to STS2. STS1 is good enough that STS2 won't be able to just replace it. I also think the odds aren't particularly low that the record is beaten before STS2 even comes out.
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u/SpeeDy_GjiZa Oct 10 '24
That last Adrenaline into Dead Branch generating Wraith Form but being discarded coz no hand space was fucking annoying as hell damn. Goddamned out loud that was so frustrating. Still dead though I think, but still...
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u/Zael0 Oct 10 '24
The wraith form from dead branch he called as his ONLY out going to the discard pile
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u/Il-Capitano14 Oct 10 '24
Just curious, where is he from? He has one of the hardest accents to understand that i’ve ever heard.
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u/JDublinson Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
Listen for a few hundred hours and you stop hearing the accent.
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u/Shockmanned Oct 10 '24
After listening to him for a few hours he becomes completely coherent now xQc is a different story I still don't know what that guy is saying and he's a native english speaker
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u/3wett Ascension 3 Oct 10 '24
Though this post itself isn't violating any rules (it's not rudely worded or vulgar or whathaveyou), I would like to caution everyone who stands to make a post like this. These sorts of post risk enabling some really uncomfortable discourse about the streamer (how would you feel if you were making an effort to speak in a second language so that people could understand you and then people were making long comment threads in the subreddit talking about how hard you are to understand?), especially as it pertains to their nationality/race/accent.
Even here in this comment chain we see what I take to be a completely inappropriate suggestion that XecnaR seek to train his accent so that he may be "closer to a native speaker."
So, let us just be mindful of what we say.
Comment locked because further discussions of XecnaR's accent aren't really appropriate and the question was answered (he's from Vietnam).
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u/Obsidian_XIII Ascension 17 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
He does, but him going through his thought process is so good. I can't play StS and listen/watch the same way I do with, say, Baalor.
Generally when I watch Xecnar it's just to watch him or watching him and occasionally playing a turn off StS in the background instead of the other way around.
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u/kankermuziek Oct 10 '24
what the hell xec is Not hard to understand theres at least 20 us and uk accents that are significantly harder lol
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u/tirouge0 Oct 10 '24
It may be more challenging for people whose english is not their first language (like me). For instance I would hear 'chocolaty' instead of 'tranquility' lol. It's just a matter of getting use to it though. After a few hours of watching his streams I didn't have any problem understanding what he was saying.
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u/kankermuziek Oct 10 '24
english isnt my first english either. ur good tho bro i assumed that if u think xec is hard to understand u Must be an Annoying american who just pretends not to understand anybody wif a foreign accent. but i guess im wrong about that. oh well
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u/skellyton3 Oct 10 '24
Not gonna lie, I tried watching his stream but couldn't get through it due to the accent. I literally couldn't understand half of what he said.
It was obviously very good thoughts from what I could hear, though.
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u/kankermuziek Oct 10 '24
thats crazy
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u/skellyton3 Oct 10 '24
That's life. I don't have anything against the guy, but he has a very thick accent that is very difficult to understand. Maybe you have more experience with similar accents, and thus can understand it more easily, but it is very hard for me.
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u/MyNameIsSkittles Oct 10 '24
Vietnamese have hard accent to understand in English. I speak with international people all day every day and I have some of the worst luck understanding Vietnamese people
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u/pharazoomer Oct 10 '24
I watched a video yesterday and understood maybe about half of what he said. My roommate came by and asked what language they were speaking.
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u/IMP1017 Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
He doesn't owe us that lol, we just watch man play game good
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u/Il-Capitano14 Oct 10 '24
If you like this guy you should be wishing him to get as many viewers as possible, and the accent is definitely a barrier there.
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u/Skippymcpoop Oct 10 '24
You’re asking something completely unreasonable, you realize that right? Learning a western accent takes years and years and years of studying and practice, especially when you’re from a place with a radically different language like Vietnamese. Vietnamese is also a tonal language so from the day he was born, he was taught a certain way to say form words, and he basically needs to relearn a lot of what’s native to him.
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u/Shockmanned Oct 10 '24
Im just imagining me trying to speak viet and spunding stupid let alone having to learn how to speak it lol xin chao em
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u/MyNameIsSkittles Oct 10 '24
Or you can learn to understand him. It's not that difficult.
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u/Ohrami9 Oct 11 '24
It actually is. There are sometimes multiple sentences or words I cannot understand no matter how many times I rewind. This usually happens to me at least a few times per stream.
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u/MyNameIsSkittles Oct 11 '24
I mean learning to understand the accent isn't difficult, it's just time consuming. You have to actively listen a lot, all the time. Exposure helps with understanding accents the best
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u/Ohrami9 Oct 10 '24
But your hyperbolic statement is obviously incomprable due to the fact that neither Jorbs nor Paparatto already know highly fluent Vietnamese to a level nearly indistinguishable from a native over text, as does Xecnar with English.
Learning a more native-like accent does take significant amounts of training, but why would one choose to undertake the gargantuan task of learning a language and give such little mind to actually sounding intelligible to the average speaker of the language? He would likely be able to see substantial improvement in his pronunciation if he spent a few months doing focused practice.
While people on Reddit here are generally much nicer due to the risk of sounding rude, you still see multiple people complaining that the accent turns them off. Every single person who I've tried in good faith to share his streams to in order to demonstrate the top-tier gameplay he provides has said that the accent is so intolerable that they are unable to even sit through a few minutes of his streams. It actually is a significant problem.
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u/Skippymcpoop Oct 10 '24
As an average English speaker I literally have no problems understanding him and you’re asking him to take years of study and practice to learn a skill to satisfy people that probably won’t watch him anyways. You’re basically accusing him of being lazy, when he’s already spent years just learning to speak English.
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u/IMP1017 Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
That guy's comment and post history is largely about gambling and dodging taxes, he seems to love dying on weird hills and bad ideas. I wouldn't put any stock in what he thinks of the best player in the world
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u/Ohrami9 Oct 12 '24
Yeah, I'm sure you love paying taxes, especially more than you're legally required to. That's every American's dream.
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u/LaundryBasketGuy Oct 10 '24
Dude, it took me about an hour to get used to his accent. Your friends sound super impatient if they can't even tolerate a "few minutes" of getting used to an accent. Especially considering he is the best player in the world now.
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u/3wett Ascension 3 Oct 10 '24
I can't tell whether you intended this to be as offensive as it is or might be, but I highly recommend considering how your comments come off. Suggesting that someone get accent training is pretty insensitive, even if you (or others) coat it with the suggestion that it'd be better for their stream outreach or whathaveyou.
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u/Il-Capitano14 Oct 10 '24
Not sure why you got downvoted as you suggested something both correct and to his advantage, since hes a streamer he should be interested in having as many viewers as possible, and I guarantee you the accent is definitely a barrier.
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u/didokillah Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
"...since hes a streamer he should be interested in having as many viewers as possible..."
No? He is very vocal about not looking to draw too much attention, cause then people with shitty takes like you backseat him with braindead lines while he's trying to play. He usually prefers when the stream is less crowded, but gaining more viewers is bound to happen when you're one of (if not THE) best player in the world for any given game.
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u/Captain--UP Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
Holy shit that's awesome! I hope to see baalor's attempts at reclaiming the title!
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u/This_is_Chubby_Cap Ascension 20 Oct 10 '24
absolutely brutal seed. props to him for navigating it as far as he did.
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u/874651 Oct 10 '24
What's insane is that in the post mortem, he continued the run past the Awakened One, and he went on to beat the heart. Also Awakened One was easily the worst boss to fight, he probably would've beaten Time Eater (and he already beat Donu Deca), so it really was just a 50/50 chance at the end that he lost.
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u/yeadoge Oct 10 '24
Did he actually beat awakened one in the post mortem or just skip past it? That fight seemed unwinnable
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u/874651 Oct 10 '24
No, he just skipped past it. He was simulating what would happen if he had fought time eater instead, because he likely would’ve beaten time eater.
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u/ATPsoldat Oct 10 '24
The pandora box really kinda fucked Xec over with no blocks. Act 2 was pretty painful.
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u/IconicIsotope Oct 11 '24
I don't understand the very end. He is saying he could draw into Wraith form. He actually does but his hand is full. That's fine. But when he looks at his remaining deck before playing Adrenaline, Wraith Form isn't in the deck. How does he draw it? Some relic enabling this? Or I'm blind?
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u/A_Certain_Surprise Oct 11 '24
I believe he got it from dead branch. He exhausted a card, dead branch mad wraith form
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u/IconicIsotope Oct 11 '24
I've never seen this relic and I've played the silent a bunch. I guess it's an unlock from another class
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u/IMP1017 Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
It's an amazing achievement but THANK GOD people can't just karma farm xecnar and increment the number once per day anymore
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u/duncanforthright Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
Yeah all this world record best player stuff was really getting in the way of all the custom card and fairy didn't work posts we come to this subreddit for.
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Oct 10 '24
If you play too much Spire eventually you are forced to read every single post here whether you want to or not
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u/A_Certain_Surprise Oct 10 '24
In my defense, it's my only post to the sub, and I didn't see anyone else do it yet
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u/derpiederpslikederp Oct 10 '24
Somebody's just jealous they aren't getting that sweet, delicious karma!
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u/IMP1017 Eternal One + Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
I will admit I thought it was the same guy doing it every day lol, sorry to put you on the defensive for no reason
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u/A_Certain_Surprise Oct 10 '24
Are you the chap who got annoyed the other day when someone posted Xecnar's then record? Either way, please feel free to block. Or just not disable notifications from Reddit because why would anyone want notifications from this place
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u/t4dominic Heartbreaker Oct 10 '24
GGs, what a great month of Spire. I was only able to catch the post mortem and did it really come down to the low roll event path in Act 2? And did he really say that this was his first pbox loss in like 2 years??