China says 'market has spoken' after US tariffs spark selloff
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Basically China just gave the Trump administration the middle finger and are not going to negotiate jack shit. They will simply let Trump deal with the inflation and economic damage that American farmers and manufacturers will suffer with the 34% tariffs that China is imposing on them. China is betting that this escalating trade war is going to be more politically painful for Trump than for Xi. If the EU takes the same approach this could become a long trade war of attrition.
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u/JoshL3253 1d ago
Trump really thinks he can take on the whole world. It’s not 1970s anymore. America is not the only superpower right now.
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u/TechTuna1200 1d ago edited 1d ago
Whenever there is a China story on one of our main Danish news TV2, people are always anti-China in the Facebook comment thread. TV2 shared the news on their Facebook that China was retaliating, but this time, people were cheering China for doing that. How things have changed so much in 3 months...
I think the rest of the world is going to move closer together to try to offset any economic loss due to tariffs
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u/cambeiu 1d ago edited 1d ago
Now you know why so many people in Latin America were sympathetic to the Soviet Union during the cold war. It wasn't that the Soviet Union was good. It was because they were the ones standing up to the bully.
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u/patchyj 1d ago
Thr bully being the country that orchestrated the overthrow of (checks notes....) 41 Latin American governments in the 20th century....
Source: perplexity, so take it with a grain of salt. But it's still a fuxk ton
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u/Fuzzy_Fondant7750 20h ago
I was thinking about this the other day. It’s funny how Americans look at the immigrant crisis as an issue. But at the same time there is an argument to be made that it’s an issue of their own creation. The systematically kept down central and South American countries stagnating their growth from the 40s to 90s and then wonder why those same people dream of a better life.
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u/MayorMcBussin 13h ago
Americans being completely ignorant that they are the root cause of 90% of the global problems that plague them is always kind of a trip.
In an effort to defeat communism the united states overthrew democratically elected leaders throughout Central and South America and a large portion of the middle east and intentionally destabilized them through tariffs and blockades.
Now we're constantly at war with...results of a poverty stricken and destabilized central and south america plus the middle east.
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u/cookiestonks 16h ago
There's more than an argument. It's exactly what happened. Read books by Dr Michael Parenti for the hard facts all sourced and cited. All of America's problems are self imposed due to bending to the will of transnational companies that are sovereign to no nation. They're done siphoning all the money out of the "third world" and as the third world runs to America, the third -worldification of America begins. The ruling class are doing what they've always done throughout history; exploit workers. They just do it on a global scale and hide in the shadows while bought and paid "public servants" do their bidding for them while we argue about how dumb the public servants are and about how this is someone else's fault. The writing is on the wall, look how many trillions in made up computer money they've siphoned. More than ever before in history because they write all the rules about money too!
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u/SouthOceanJr 13h ago
Can you recommend the book that best illustrate these points? I'd love to give it a read thks!
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u/cookiestonks 12h ago
I sure can:
These are all by Dr Michael Parenti. I consider these 3 to be important reads for understanding why a complete understanding of US foreign policy is necessary for having a complete understanding of what's in store for us.
Book list:
To understand the global media racket: Inventing Reality The Politics of News Media
To understand what "history is written by the victors" really means: History as Mystery
An introduction to US Imperialist foreign policy: The Face of Imperialism
Super in depth look at the US over the past 120+ years: democracy for the few
You can find almost all of them online for free in PDF form. Be at the books are mostly out of print and the used book prices are crazy inflated.
If you read any please get back to me! Would love your opinion after digesting all the information in there
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u/rapaxus 15h ago
It is the same as the Europeans who complain about all the migrants coming to Europe while we both shaped the conditions of the multiple wars that caused the migrant crisis, and then sitting around for 10 years not doing anything about it. Imagine if in 2013, after e.g. the chemical attacks on Ghouta, the EU just intervening into the Syrian civil war and overthrowing Assad.
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u/lovely_sombrero 13h ago
"Keeping them down" is really underselling it. I would use a stronger term for coups or organizing and arming fascist death squads.
Even the seemingly less directly evil policy of constant blackmail probably kills millions of people. Oh, you are constructing a large lithium mine with government resources? Well, either sell it to a US corporation for very little money so that we can extract the profits, or we place you under sanctions.
That being said, I would like to see how the US functions if placed under a Cuba-like embargo for 60 days.
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u/Knowledge_ls_Power_ 15h ago
The US has the best propaganda system in the world, but when you open your eyes and really see, everyone will realize that America has been the most evil country in the world for a long long time now.
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u/pascalsAger 1d ago
The same with India. We were Non-Aligned during the Cold War. And the US tried to bully us. Soviet Union helped stand up to the bully. And that’s the foundation of India - Russia relationship even today.
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u/rienceislier34 1d ago
And the US was the one which supported Pakistan back-handedly in Indo-Pakistani war in 1971. Later they pussied out.
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u/Adhi-seruppaale 21h ago
India are now sucking off US though sadly - they are anti-China and have become americas lackeys now….
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u/y2c313 20h ago
Haven't China and India been having major issues for awhile though?
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u/Adhi-seruppaale 20h ago
USA obviously stirring up shit and making sure they never agree on anything as always
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u/StunningLetterhead23 19h ago
India being anti-China isn't a new thing tho? Although they do business with each other a lot, they also argue with each other a lot.
It wasn't "US stirring some shit" when they had border clashes even as recent as in 2020. Maybe you oughta learn a bit about your country or home country's history?
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u/cream_paimon 20h ago
Except for all of these examples, the protectors are acting in their own interests and not standing up for what's "right" purely because it's virtuous
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u/Kurupt-FM-1089 20h ago
It doesn’t matter what their motives are. When your life or nation is threatened by a much larger adversary, you become closer to those that supported you. A lot of people don’t even know about the India situation when the Soviets would use their veto powers to support them. Regardless of virtue, they supported India when seemingly no one else would.
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u/PhiladelphiaManeto 23h ago
Little bit of revisionism here...
They supported a ton of Marxist movements in Latin America at the time, just as the west supported movements of their own.
Both sides meddled in places they didn't belong.
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u/therealluqjensen 22h ago
That's some horse shit though. The Soviet union was the bully in the EU/asia
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u/big_guyforyou 1d ago
why didn't this happen the first time with trump? is he just surrounding himself with less serious people now?
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u/qole720 1d ago
That's basically it. Last time he had adults in the room who were lifelong politicians and generals who'd been playing politics for most of their adult lives. Now he's got a bunch of hand picked yes men who will follow whatever crazy scheme he comes up with and is firing anyone who won't be loyal to him.
Happy cake day!
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u/Mundane_Life_5775 21h ago
Sounds like his master, Putin!
The other master, Felon, also taught him how to cheat money from the financial markets.
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u/ActionDistinct9867 19h ago
I didn’t realize the sec of the treasury only has a B.S. in political science.
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u/LimberGravy 22h ago
He had a 9/11 truther in his office the other day telling him who to fire from the National Security Council and the head of the NSA “because they weren’t loyal enough.”
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u/Harbinger2001 22h ago
Yes. Last time Jared Kushner picked the people advising Trump and they were mostly institutionalist who understood the world. This time is Don Jr doing the picking and he’s a MAGA moron and picking people who will agree with Trump’s stupid world views.
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u/Zee_Arr_Tee 21h ago
God do I seriously have to acknowledge that kushner did a decent job
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u/MaterialDrive3395 1d ago
he had less power at that time, not on paper power but actual power, trump 2.0 have much more loyal party, supreme court, base (whatever left of them).
i really think if trump did some of the thing he did his second term on his first term he would have been out of office, ppl liked them back them but it was in the cult early days he was still the new guy.
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u/LengthClean 22h ago
The Americans are the British of the early century. Disillusioned.
They fail to recognize all the middle powers will shift or form their own alliance.
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u/ProbablyHe 21h ago
what makes me saddest about this is, they are still scrupulous af, nothing has changed except people are more mad at the cheeto and 'redirecting' their disliking. this won't make things better, they'll use us just the same if they could.
time to r/BuyEuropean
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u/Lord_Snaps 15h ago
Du ved tingene har ændret sig, når vi I Danmark holder med Kineserne.
You know things have changed. When we in Denmark are rooting for the Chinese.
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u/mellenger 20h ago
I’m in Canada and was very anti-china, supporting banning Huawei and Chinese automobiles. After 3 months I’m all about selling our resources to China and driving around in a new BYD talking on my Huawei Mate. It’s amazing how quickly my feelings changed.
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u/AppropriateGoat7039 20h ago
That’s funny but it’s also sad. Sincerely, the USA
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u/Googgodno 19h ago
That’s funny but it’s also sad
ask afghan translators, Iraqi translators, the Kurds in syria and now, Canadians and Ukrainians.
We treat our friends as tissue wipes.
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u/Slinktonk 20h ago
I think people really “care” about working conditions until their money is at risk and then they do not care at all about anything other than money. So their sentiments will change to match whatever benefits them personally.
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u/c05d 1d ago
he'll learn this the hard way but we get REKT in the process
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u/qole720 1d ago
He won't learn anything. He'll just throw a tantrum complaining that everyone didn't play the way he wanted to play and we're all worse off because everyone else didn't follow his genius plan
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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi 8h ago
You can tell how dumb some people are by how soft they are with reacting to Trump. They are the people who tolerate right wing bullshit the most
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u/Ok-Matter2337 22h ago
He will learn the honeymoon is over really fast. Less than 100 days he has already destroyed this country. The people who voted for him will feel it too and deal with the consequences. They have already started complaining about their 401k, the state of the economy. I don’t know what these people were expecting after his disastrous last four years .
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u/95Daphne 20h ago
Yeah, I'd say we're probably already within about a month of the point of no return.
Heck, I don't think we're far from Congress growing a pair of balls unless you see something significantly different in positive fashion Sunday/Monday.
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u/GetMemesUser 1d ago
In the 1970s, America wasn't the only superpower either.
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u/MaterialDrive3395 1d ago
wasn't the only superpower but it was very clear USSR can't compete with them, where nowadays china easily can and with much bigger projection almost no one argue against future china taking over US spot in near 10 years.
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u/slicheliche 22h ago
As if China doesn't have issues on their own. There is this weird narrative in the West of China being invincible and always right whatever they do.
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u/MaterialDrive3395 20h ago
china had many issues specially around covid it simple outlived them while US still facing the same issues since the 2000.
i had my doubt with china in 2018 honestly but nowadays? no, china really just missing soft power.
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u/FishySmellz 15h ago
Are you joking? The mainstream media in the west has always painted china a gloomy picture and on the verge of collapse for the past two decades at least.
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u/TangentTalk 10h ago
I don’t think anyone would deny China has issues, it’s just rather clear that the trajectory China is on seems to be better than…
Whatever is happening in the US…
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u/iiJokerzace 1d ago
America is not behaving like any kind of super power whatsoever at the moment lmfao
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u/_-Event-Horizon-_ 1d ago
Do you mean the 1990s? Because up until the end of the Cold War the Soviet Union was very much a global super power rivaling the United States. Not only technically and militarily but also ideologically - as flawed as communism was, it was very attractive to the developing nations.
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u/imdaviddunn 23h ago
We were the superpower because we didn’t take on the world and they thought we were the most benevolent. We got to literally wrote almost all the rules. Now, we have thrown it all away by voting for a felon that has pied piper his way into a cult.
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u/chong1222 21h ago
I doubt Trump’s tariffs are just about economics. It feels more like a power move—using trade as leverage to reassert U.S. dominance, not because it makes financial sense, but because it plays well politically. It’s less about balancing trade and more about controlling the narrative and rallying his base with the illusion of strength
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u/bro-v-wade 1d ago
I actually think that's his goal. Not to take on the whole world, but to isolate from it. JD Vance's Signal chat comment about being tired of "Europe freeloading" gives us a lot of insight into what is driving a lot of this mess.
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u/GuyFromYr2095 1d ago edited 1d ago
China is much better placed than the US to handle internal unrest from prolonged trade wars. That in itself pretty much answers who will blink first.
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u/Chemical_Refuse_1030 1d ago
Well, China is not in a trade war with the entire world. They are in the war with one of their many trade partners. On the other hand, the US is in the war with every single trade partner they have.
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u/PlayerHeadcase 1d ago
And in addition to the tariff, they played their rare earth restrictions card. That will hurt BIG time.
And they still haven't played one of the most powerful moves Chuna has- upping their services tariffs. Of most major economies, China is best insulated due to their internal political pressures keeping most of their digital services domestic , unlike the EU and UK etc which heavily rely on AWS and Microsoft and Google etc
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u/imdaviddunn 23h ago edited 18h ago
AWS and MSFT and Google will be the tarriff targets for the EU.
EU will go after the CEOs that supported Trump and make their lives miserable.
No one wins in a trade war, but no country can afford to lose. So here we are back to 1930. Can’t say MAGA didn’t tell us. Going back to the days of depression and bigotry is right there in the name.
Edit: just to be clear…CEO antagonizing isn’t the main reason, I used that as shorthand. What they are really going to do is show Trade involves goods AND Services. The entire calculation here is focused on goods. The EU is going to highlight for the CEOs that their services surplus can be attacked too, so they should think twice about their decisions.
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u/Wilkesy07 19h ago
Tesla will surely receive special tariffs too lol
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u/Nuzzleface 17h ago
It's not even needed in the EU. The brand is toxic and cratering. The politicians can focus on other targets while the consumers handle Tesla.
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u/imdaviddunn 16h ago
It will be more. I was just using the company OP used.
Banks / fintech will also be hit.
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u/PipsqueakPilot 16h ago
Absolutely makes sense to target individuals and high earners. There's reems of data showing that US public opinion doesn't matter if those people are below the top few percentage points of income. So if you want to influence America, you have to target the upper 5% with your actions. Hitting the wages of techworkers is absolutely a smart thing to do, as their outsized income gives them outsized political influence.
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u/kungfungus 16h ago
Wouldn't it be funny if Trump backed down on tariffs but not China. If even for a day or two, just to se Trump go bananas.
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u/zarmord2 16h ago
Almost all the medicine the USA uses comes from china. China can do with us as they will, it’s all a matter of their benevolence.
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u/ThatUsernameIsTaekin 16h ago
This is what never made sense to me. How does opening up a dozen fronts help you win any war (real war, trade war, etc)?
Wouldn’t America be in a position of power by attacking each country at separate times with tariffs? It’s an obvious bluff if you publicly attack every country all at once and everyone knows you can’t win against them all. That puts you in a weaker position!
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u/Fulgentium 1d ago
No doubt! Chinese have lived thru poverty for a century of shame. The new richness is only made in the past 20 yrs (if you dont count the first 20 yrs of extreme hard work to get to a middle income status). The society is homogenous. The society is used to be govern top down for 5000+ years. They produce almost every basic necessities in the planet hence the ability to keep price down. Plenty of trade partners. Plenty of reserve in hand. High household savings per capita. The list goes on.
Does america has that same internal cohesion and control? Hmmm
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u/PlayImpossible4224 1d ago
Terminal demographic decline and housing crisis which is 30% of their GDP.
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u/siamsuper 1d ago
Chinese here.
The thing is regardless whether it's 10% or 30% housing crisis. Politically china can keep fighting this trade war because Xi doesn't need to consider the economic hardships much.
Of course he cannot completely ignore them, but his ability to force his will in China is unmatched in democracies.
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u/slicheliche 22h ago
Xi doesn't need to consider the economic hardships much.
Apparently neither does Trump, so there's that.
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u/cambeiu 22h ago
We shall see about that, once the layoffs and price inflation really takes off.
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u/Evabluemishima 22h ago
You think the US doesn’t have a housing crisis? And the US is dependent on immigrants that are ruining the cohesiveness of the country to fend off demographic decline.
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u/Fulgentium 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thats because they do not open up to immigration. The current US policy is putting off immigrants… have you check the demographics of US without immigration? I would think not… it is not pretty to look either and this is in alignment with most developed countries! In fact, as china is moving up the value chain and more automation they do not need as much cheap labour as 10-15 years ago.
Property ah yes… this is an issue but at least this was recognised and was intentionally brought into account by the govt by putting out the red lines for loans to this sector. It couldnt get any worse than now and I do not see the country is collapsing now but instead i see it being carefully managed by the state to avoid mayhem. There are plenty of bubbles in our time, the key is if you are waiting for it to detonate or would you control detonate it yourself…!
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u/Harbinger2001 22h ago
Don’t fool yourself. China also has a long history of social unrest. Cracks started to show during Covid and the public consent to be governed by the CCP can collapse quite quickly.
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u/Fulgentium 21h ago edited 18h ago
Sure… it can change govt like any other civilisation or country on this planet. Now name me a country or civilisation that continuously exists despite all the challenges, wars, natural disasters, famine, diseases after 5000 years? And Why?
Maybe the answer is in the chinese culture itself. Unless you know about it, then you may not understand.
Also, all countries, during covid, had element of unrest. However, being living in the west, all i could see was the western media or social media claiming omg… look china is collapsing. Similar scare stories about its economy for the past 20 years. One thing i learn living in the west is the western media propaganda is another level….!!
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u/MaterialDrive3395 1d ago
if US picked just china i think US would win specially if the whole world sided with US.
this isn't it, u are picking a fight with a rising superpower that projected to surpass u that only need the world to align with it which u picking a fight with those as well making sure they do.
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u/Glittering-Divide-54 21h ago
I don't think you realize the first time US only put tariffs on China, and they simply exported to Mexico then exported to the US. That is another reason why there are tariffs on Mexico and Canada as well this time.
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u/MaterialDrive3395 20h ago
in a normal world that have an easy fix, that country would face the same tariff on these product.
that doesn't work unless the gov decided to ignore it which what happened back then, trump didn't care that china was indirectly still importing as US was dependent on that optically no one care so he didn't to.
in the other hand that still added cost which serve as tariff so not really much of a loophole, other than canada and mexico get extra boast.
for example for example US imports were $505 billion in 2017(before trade war) and $450 billion 2020 after the trade war.
US was dependent in china export $50 billion are really small percent that assuming its not related to companies trying to find alternative or china moving away being factory of the world and more into high tech stuff.
tariff function the same way as sanctions, u can bypass them unless said gov only care about the optics of tariff.
also that not the reason why mexico or canada were hit with tariff, it was "drugs imports" silly excuse but it most likely no difference then all the other countries being hit as well, just trade deficit plus cool first target.
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u/SouthOceanJr 13h ago
Yes. China has been through a tough time and their people have much higher tolerance than the average American. They will win the endurance game if that is how Trump wants to play.
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u/kerouak 1d ago
China gov held their nerve so much longer than anyone else on COVID lockdowns despite huge economic damage. My bet is they'll do it again on this, and once again they'll be able to hold a hand to the flame longer than the states. Oh why must we all go through this nonsense. 🤦
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u/transitfreedom 1d ago
Cause religious people vote
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u/DataCassette 1d ago
This. A lot of people are voting against so-called "immorality" ( Really just a violation of ultimately arbitrary religious sensibilities ) rather than for specific policies.
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u/lOo_ol 23h ago
Not only that. You'll find a lot of non-religious people who voted for Trump. Blame nationalism taught in school. Brainwash kids with the pledge of allegiance every morning before class, and a radical nationalist promising to shut the borders is bound to be elected one day or another.
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u/xixi2 21h ago
I'm not sure China's policy of locking citizens at home is a model we should follow.
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u/Admirable_Excuse6211 20h ago
It's not a moral lesson. It's an acknowledgement that China is less vulnerable to short term disruption than the United States is.
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u/Bullumai 1d ago
Here before [Removed by Reddit]
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u/----___--___---- 19h ago
What did it say lol
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u/ArmedAwareness 16h ago
Looked like something about the missed shot during the campaign
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u/jamieperkins999 23h ago
I was always against people wishing that guy didn't miss even though I'm not a fan of trump, because I'm more so not a fan of murder. But when 1 person ruins the lives of so many, my opinion has changed abit.
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u/sant2060 1d ago
Trump is Gods gift to China. They would be stupid in stopping him while he makes mistakes :)
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u/videogametes 21h ago
The nickname the Chinese use for Trump literally translates to nation builder (ie someone who is helping build specifically the Chinese nation)
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u/syriar93 1d ago
EU strengthening the relationship with China is exactly what trump did not want but what he is getting. I couldn’t care less in Europa being dependent on US imports. We mainly import services which is now a good opportunity to create more services within the EU (e.g. social media alternatives etc.) . China imports are way more important and they are a good quality while being massively cheaper . At the moment you can sell an iPhone for 900$ while same hardware alternatives cost less than the half of it (e.g. Xiaomi ). But can you do that with a 3000$ iPhone ? I don’t think so
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u/c05d 1d ago
China can take more pain
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u/kawakuma 1d ago
China exports 7 % to the USA, all the exports are basic needs for american consumers.
China imports high tech + agraculture product. The former can be replaced by Europe (most already did like cancelled boeing contract and signed airbus contract ) The latter can be replaced by south America (like the recent brazil soy bean purchase contract)
China spent the past 5 years positioning for this mega(maga) trade war
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u/babyburger357 21h ago
Even without the trade war, signing with Airbus instead of Boeing sounds like a very safe deal considering the infamy surrounding Boeing lately.
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u/chotchss 1d ago
Just curious what you consider basic needs for consumers (genuinely curious, not pushing back here). I feel like much of what China sends to the US is more quick consumption trash that isn't really needed but maybe I'm just thinking of it from the point of the view of the average buyer. I'm sure they send over a ton of parts/chips that go into more complex products like washing machines or drones but I'm wondering what you mean by basic needs for consumers.
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u/Bullumai 1d ago
The main products that China exported to United States were Broadcasting Equipment ($54.5B), Computers ($37.9B), and Office Machine Parts ($14.3B).
The main products that United States exported to China were Soybeans ($15.2B), Crude Petroleum ($10.7B), and Petroleum Gas ($10.3B
In December 2024, the top exports of China to United States were Telephones ($3.19B), Computers ($2.61B), Commodities not elsewhere specified ($1.75B), Electric Batteries ($1.17B), and Motor vehicles; parts and accessories (8701... ($1.1B). In December 2024 the top imports of China from United States were Soybeans ($1.92B), Petroleum Gas ($1.06B), Cars ($826M), Integrated Circuits ($780M), and Gas Turbines ($673M).
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u/chotchss 1d ago
Interesting. It seems like this will result in the cost of finished, more advanced goods skyrocketing along with crushing our industrial and agricultural exports. But most of this also seems like it will indirectly impact consumers- prices of microwaves will go up probably not daily items like food. Not that I’m trying to paint a rosy picture here- this is going to really hurt a number of businesses and then that will ripple down to consumers.
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u/Deathglass 9h ago
Basically most assembly line style manufacturing happens in China because it's just way cheaper (labor, less regulation). High tech manufacturing also mostly happens in Korea/Taiwan/Europe and minimally in the US. Of course US companies have a large interest/ownership in all of it.
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u/pr0newbie 9h ago
Don't forget about Commodities too. i suppose exemptions will be made along the way because I can't see the US winning a full blown trade war with the rest of the world.
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u/volkse 14h ago edited 11h ago
China has a reputation for making cheap junk, but at this point that notion is 10-20 years outdated.
This is true for more countries than just China. Mexico, Vietnam, the Phillipines, and many other nations typically thought of as poor have rapidly advanced and changed in the last decade.
As the other comment stated. China makes a lot of crucial parts that we use in our tech day to day. It's workforce is vastly more educated and specialized than it was two decades ago and it goes head to head with the US on the international market for high end more complex tech.
I'm not trying to seem like I'm glazing China, but many Americans view of China and a lot of other countries in southeast Asia is stuck in the 2000s, while many of our politicians and older peoples view of where China is technologically is stuck in the 80s/90s.
On another side note it really cannot be understated how much Vietnam has also changed in terms of what it produces. A lot of US, Japanese, and Chinese manufacturing of Tech moved to Vietnam as a result of Trumps first trade war and they're rapidly becoming more specialized.
Mexico is another country that's changed a lot and became more specialized in Automanufacturing as a result of trumps first trade wars.
I'm giving these examples to illustrate how much the world outside of the US has changed in the last 10 years and a lot of these countries are now buying their high end tech from China instead of the US because it's the cheaper option. Trump declaring trade war on every one only makes everyone more reluctantly align with China in the interest of saving their own economy.
Trumps tariffs and hostility towards our allies is making China even more affordable for this market and countries like Canada, Japan, Korea and Australia have even hindered their own economic interests to appease their ally the US who they thought had a mutual interest in holding off chinese economic expansion, when buying Chinese tech would be more affordable than their American counter parts only to get back stabbed by America with tariffs
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u/Deareim2 1d ago
consumerism is a hell of a drug. when ppl wont be able to buy anything, blood in the street.
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u/Raven_1090 1d ago
They are also, reportedly in talks with us(India) and if Trump manages to unite us and China(on this front) ...I might actually for once support him.
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u/Bullumai 1d ago
As long as some border conflicts remain, India and China cannot fully trust each other. However, both countries have agreed to resolve their border issues through dialogue and diplomacy.
I was especially glad when Trump was shown the middle finger by both India and China when he tried to act as a middleman to solve the border issues between them.
Meanwhile, trade between the two nations is flourishing. Hopefully, it will continue to grow in the future. If China wants to climb up the value chain and find markets for its high value-adding industries, it needs to outsource low-end manufacturing to India. A growing Indian economy will benefit Chinese companies like BYD and various smartphone brands.
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u/siamsuper 1d ago
Sister. Chinese here we need to unite now.
All those border issues for some random hill in Himalaya is not worth it. I honestly don't get why Chinese leadership can't just concede those to India.
And India, China, EU, Canada, ASEAN, hopefully Japan and Korea.... We don't need the US. They can have all their jobs back and just go tariff the rest of the world.
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u/Flashy_Ad_6345 1d ago
Not only that, everybody in China can see that Xi did no wrong here. It was Trump that was going around with tariffs, so CCP is not getting blamed for this, it's the Americans that's blaming Trump...
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u/ShadowLiberal 19h ago
And Trump made the idiotic mistake of picking a fight with EVERYONE at once instead of either one stronger target he could convince others to focus on going after together, or picking on a group of weaker countries without the muscle to retaliate effectively.
I can't think of a worse strategy Trump could have gone for than this, other than repeating Thomas Jefferson's idiotic embargo policy which basically banned all international trade (the policy was highly ineffective, but it was still effective enough to cause a depression). (Note: the reason for Jefferson's embargo was that he was desperately trying to avoid getting the US dragged into war with Britain, who kept on boarding American ships and seizing American immigrants from Britain, alleging that they were deserters who abandoned the British navy. The embargo was to remove all the American trading vessels that Britain could board, so that such incidents couldn't pressure the US into being forced to go to war with them. We eventually went to war with them anyway in the War of 1812)
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u/bjran8888 1d ago
As a Chinese, the question is, what do we have that we have to buy from the US? Almost nothing.
I don't even think it would be a pain ......
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u/BartD_ 1d ago
Indeed. For a decade the US has tried to sanction China, restrict access to tech. During that time China accepted this challenge and went for the made in China approach. There will be very little left that China couldn’t simply leave US out by now.
China tends to make a lot of good moves.
Have a good day.
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u/bjran8888 1d ago
Truth be told, Trump and his supporters seem to think we're going to suffer ......
But most Chinese just watch with pity as Trump personally dismantles the American hegemony and the dollar's global reserve currency status that the U.S. itself has built up ......
To be honest, I'm quite worried about the average American, you guys probably do need to stock up on the necessities. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys have the biggest inflation in history ......
Good luck to the US.
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u/siamsuper 1d ago
Fellow Chinese here.
Yeah I'm not really worried about the stuff America sells. Most of the things china can buy from anywhere else. The high end tech that is proprietary American, they don't sell to china anyway :D
But Chinese exporters will face some pain in the short term. China needs to build more internal consumption.
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u/bjran8888 1d ago
It's been 8 years since the US-China trade war, and I think most suppliers are ready for it.
Now the remaining goods, the United States can no longer find suppliers except China.
What's even more interesting is that the US is in a trade war with all of the countries where its major suppliers are located, which has resulted in them ending up sourcing Chinese goods instead, because those countries are also being taxed at a high rate.
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u/siamsuper 1d ago
Man I know many suppliers and .... It will be hard. I'm not saying they go bankrupt, but it won't be easy.
Companies are already suffering with razor thin profits. But yeah it's helpful that trump is not focusing on china but hitting everyone, even allies.
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u/bjran8888 1d ago
It's pretty clear from the source you posted yourself that most of China's imports from the US are raw materials and only a small percentage are industrial goods. The raw materials are all substitutable.
And that would accelerate the process of getting China to produce substitutes.
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u/55XL 1d ago
I never thought that I would boo America and cheer for China. That is what I am currently doing.
FuckTrump
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u/Total-Confusion-9198 19h ago
Why do you need to Cheer China? Cheer your local state and work at the grassroots level. US belongs to you
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u/Neroscience 1d ago
The Chinese century is upon us
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u/Due-Memory-6957 17h ago
China has been a superpower for most of history, it's more accurate to say that the two non-china centuries are over.
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u/ChildhoodExisting222 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump will never give up. My guess is that the GOP will get rid of him one way or another.
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u/Niaaal 1d ago
If you look at him like the cult leader he is, this might not happen. The GOP electorate would career suicide if they went against Trump being that their cult followers would never turn on their leader
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u/skilliard7 1d ago edited 1d ago
The GOP will not turn against him until their republican base turns against him.
Right now, based on polls, the majority of the public either supports higher tariffs, or are indifferent. Only 17% of Republicans, 30% of Democrats, and 21% of independents support lower tariffs. Most people do not understand the economics behind tariffs or understand why free trade is beneficial.
It is only once Americans experience the pain of tariffs firsthand via higher prices & lower employment that they will begin to oppose them. Trump is still polling at 47% approval rating even after this tariff chaos, and that's overall, so there's no political advantage to opposing him as a republican.
Once the American public, in particular GOP voters get tired of Trump's tariffs, that's when Republicans will step in and pressure Trump to either wrap things up, or they will step in.
So basically, I believe the government will intervene if things get bad. But I don't think they're in a hurry to react before things play out. No one wants to be the first or second Republican to oppose Trump before his tariff plan has had a chance to play out.
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u/Seymourebuttss 1d ago
The poll is from February 2025 and a minority of republicans was in favour of higher tariffs. Together with the indifferent group you would have a majority. However, after the current shit show, I doubt these numbers will be the same.
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u/SubterraneanAlien 21h ago
The release is from feb 2025, but the actual poll is from mar 2024. Here's a more recent study that shows that ~60% of Americans oppose the tariffs.
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u/Deareim2 1d ago
it is a cult. they will die with him.
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u/ChildhoodExisting222 1d ago
Unfortunately, you might be right. They are willing to lose everything in order to remain "loyal".
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u/blackdeblacks 1d ago
After watching his speech live via the Times I think mother nature may come to the rescue fairly soon. The man is slurring his speech, albeit slightly, he is over weight and appears weary with one foot in the grave and the other on a half used ketchup sachet.
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u/garack666 1d ago
Question is what evil comes after him? Another fked up childhood psychic ill guy.. the vice president?
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u/Googgodno 19h ago
According to CBS polls, 79% of trump voters are in favor of the tariffs declared on 2nd April.
Take it for what it is worth..
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u/BeneficialClassic771 1d ago
I give him only a few months until republicans come to their sense and realize they are cratering the economy and going to get annihilated at the mid terms
Democrats are already campaigning on removing tariffs and lowering prices for consumers
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u/atrp2biz 21h ago
China is sitting on a mountain of US Treasuries. China can wait as long as it wants. And as it waits, it sells UST which will cause long-term interest rates to go up. US cannot win this.
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u/superhappykid 1d ago
China hates the US. This is actually great for China. They probably hope Mango man retaliates.
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u/pr0newbie 9h ago
No they don't. It's the Americans that hate China. If the Chinese hate the US so much, none of them would be chasing the American dream, up until recently.
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u/KyotoBliss 23h ago
This is what I say to my fellow Canadians. We just have to outlast Americans. And they really don’t have much of a safety net compared to us. Delinquencies in car payments in America is already starting to sky rocket, and I think that’s a perfect indicator of economic health. They need cars to get to work.
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u/Deareim2 1d ago
EU will always negotiate first. Completeky different approach.
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u/95Daphne 20h ago
I think they have already been trying to negotiate, but they needed to make it much more out in the open.
We probably see retaliation announced if there isn't progress in a couple of days.
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u/applecokecake 18h ago
Not sure they can afford to. You see Canada already laid off like 4500 at an auto plant? Something like 25% of Germany auto exports go to the USA. What happens when that drops to zero.
The main advantage the USA has is our oil production and crop exports. We can feed our population here. A lot of other countries can't.
I don't know. I don't think this is the right way to do it. But it's hilarious watching reddit jack on Europe is going to have a defense alliance and spend money on it when they can't even make the 2% target. Like oh so you can meet the 2% goal. Go send some ground troops to the Ukraine while your at it.
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u/Longjumping_Order_95 1d ago
With 57 percent of all manufacturing, BRICS surpassing the G 7, China will be fine
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u/Glittering_Water3645 23h ago
Imagine China stop exporting germanium (93,5%)* and gallium (98%)*. American tech needs these or else the whole techsector will collapse.
*Chinas contribution to the worldwide production
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u/TheDudeAbidesFarOut 23h ago
MAGA eating shit so a liberal can smell their breath.... They're loving the sell-off.
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u/Harbinger2001 22h ago
April 2, 2025 at 4pm ET was the day the American Empire ended.
They always say empires collapse due to internal factors, not external. I never thought it would be such a stupid self-own.
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u/helluvastorm 21h ago
I disagree it was on November 6th 2024. The course was set that day
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u/FireHamilton 17h ago
America was headed downhill anyways, the tariffs were just the spark.
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u/Pineapplepizzaracoon 1d ago
Bad move starting a war with every other economy at the same time
The enemy of my enemy….
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u/biggesthumb 23h ago
Americans have been broke for decades. WE can not afford this.
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u/helluvastorm 21h ago
We can get a whole lot poorer. We are heading into depression poor. Life in America will look much different in 5 years. We have been destroyed economically, and politically.
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u/FlatEvent2597 23h ago
China putting the screws to Navarro's tariff plan. lol
His plan basically shows tariffs working ...but it has a major flaw. It will work in a vacuum only. It counts on all other variables staying the same. Countries accepting the tariffs without retribution or trade moves.
IF the countries being tariffed ACT: either counter (China) OR boycott US goods (Canada, France, Germany etc... ) the plan falls apart quickly.
So in a way, America creates the chaos - but has a certain expectation. But the world counters with their own chaos...countering US expectations.
In the meantime, hopefully the GOP rises up to take some control and do what they were elected for -in tandem with the Dem's.
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u/dulun18 18h ago
it's interesting
China imports a lot of stuff and over the past few years more companies are moving out of China to avoid tariffs
India and Vietnam took over more and more of the imports now and if they are willing to negotiate then more companies will be going there instead of china
we will see how this will play out
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u/PersonalRelative8616 21h ago
China can take more pain than the US. When civil unrest starts the US will flinch
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u/InevitableAd2436 21h ago
I laughed when China immediately snap called Trump.
It’s like a snap call at the poker table when you know the other dude is full of shit.
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u/Bright-Scallin 1d ago
My hatred for China is being overshadowed by my hatred for America
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u/con_sonar_crazy_ivan 1d ago
This is such a fascinating point. I myself have long thought about why my opinion of China has become so positive. It's not like they've reformed in any way shape or form.
Just... stable autocrat > unstable autocrat and we all have families to feed. In this case, it's an easy call. And my positive turn on China is logical.
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u/mistresslust69 1d ago
Just imagine if asian countries get united putting aside differences. It's not possible at least in the near future , but if that happens they could drive the world economy. Especially countries like China, India, taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines have so many growth curves left. If trump doesn't back down this is going to end badly.
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u/Adventurous-Try3603 18h ago
I wish so hard that the EU stays Strong! The EU has nothing to lose from those tarrifs, but Trump has. Like Literally the Export of Goods into the US is 5 or 10%, it doesnt matter. We need to stay strong and tell the hateful Orange to go and suffer his anti-globalisation alone. Im sorry for every person suffering from Trumps Imperium of America, but this isnt in the Hands of us anymore. The EU has to stay strong or Trump wins.
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