r/streamentry 2d ago

Practice commons mistakes examples?

I was inspired to ask this question based on a post from yesterday about sexuality. there seemed to be a debate about whether desire falls off completely vs seeing through the empty nature of desire.

what are other common thinking errors people make on the path? like reifying awareness, the addiction to enlightenment, alienation from regular life perceived as good, the inability to reduce suffering anywhere but on the cushion, the pitfall of viewing things as non-existent vs lacking self nature, etc.

in my own practice, whenever I perceive something as having true ultimate nature, I calmly look at it as empty of self. whether its anger or bliss. good or bad. gently return to the emptiness of even nirvana itself.

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u/adivader Arahant 2d ago

what are other common thinking errors people make on the path?

The most common error people make is not a thinking error, its an approach error. People approach awakening practice and its consequent result of awakening from the perspective that is most familiar to them, which is to try and understand it through language and concept.

Language and concept are needed to communicate practice instructions, but it is only practice that leads to an experiential understanding and an experiential freedom from dukkha.

And it is very difficult to actually practice, while it is very easy to engage in language and concept.

Basically the ability to sit down and stabilize attention for two hours (for example) on the temperature element at the top most corner of the left nostril - is the very ability that experientially leads to clarity regarding all the language and concepts that we use. But people don't want to do that. Because it scares the fuck out of them!

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u/adivader Arahant 2d ago

I am surprised that the HH folks haven't shown up yet in my mentions. It would most certainly be ... extremely hilarious

But at the same time I think the HH folks have learnt to stay within their own subreddit :) :) HAHAHAHAHA

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u/jabinslc 2d ago

what is HH?

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u/adivader Arahant 2d ago

Hillside Hermitage

Its a laugh riot.

Check them out here:

r/hillsidehermitage

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u/jabinslc 1d ago

oh my! that was a fun rabbithole.

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u/adivader Arahant 1d ago

Lol ... yes!!

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u/ComprehensiveCamp486 1d ago

Have you checked out The Dhamma Hub on YouTube? Might be worth a look. They align with Hillside Hermitage in regards to views on meditation and sense restraint.

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u/adivader Arahant 1d ago

I will certainly check this out next time I want a good chuckle :). Thanks for the recco.

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u/Fortinbrah Dzogchen | Counting/Satipatthana 1d ago

Do you guys have beef between the systems? I thought they also encourage lots of practice

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u/adivader Arahant 1d ago

Its a personal opinion of mine.

I thought they also encourage lots of practice

No dude. They consider meditation to be a self hypnosis technique :)

I mean their whole doctrine is so weird, its difficult to believe that they are actually serious about it. I mean prima facie it feels like an elaborate joke

u/Adaviri Bodhisattva 20h ago

I... could not have guessed there was so much suffering there on the subreddit. Great compassion for them, honestly, and it seems like many are just getting more and more entangled. Bummer!

u/adivader Arahant 17h ago

I believe that all human beings are fundamentally smart and sufficiently intelligent. So they may get deluded, but they also pop out of their delusion.

Everyone who is entangled, will at some point realize it, and will extract themselves from the trap of silly dogmatism. But ... yeah ... bummer!!

u/Adaviri Bodhisattva 10h ago

Totally. But the mind and heart did respond with some precognition that some bridge-building - like extending a hand - might be a wholesome card in the deck in the future. For me, that is, if an opportunity arises.

After all, though the work is personal, we others are a function for that work on the way.

They might take you on at some point too, haha! Proactively. You have that power hehehe...

Both things that ought to do more good than harm. :)