r/unitedkingdom • u/birdinthebush74 • 1d ago
. White House plots to support ‘censored’ anti-abortion activists in Britain
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/04/anti-abortion-campaigner-tossici-bolt-guilty/482
u/LostNitcomb 1d ago
The dual UK-Italian citizen
Need to take away that UK citizenship and deport the troublemaker. We have the Begum precedent here.
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u/birdinthebush74 1d ago
Foreign religious extremist breaking our laws! Surely Nigel will be championing her deportation
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u/Difficult_Falcon1022 23h ago
And I would argue that this is terrorism.
They wrote an overly broad definition, but they refuse to apply it to those who would reduce people's right to life, right to healthcare.
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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton Ceredigion (when at uni) 18h ago
Absolutely awful idea. The begum precdent is a disgrace.
British citizenship either offers rights or is worthless. Its not something to be thrown away by a government.
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u/LostNitcomb 16h ago
I’d argue that one of the key British rights you speak of is the freedom to post with ironic humour and with the expectation that your fellow Brits will at least make an attempt to understand that. For goodness sake man, this r/unitedkingdom…
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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton Ceredigion (when at uni) 16h ago
Problem with text is that sarcasm doesn't always come across, especially when what you said is a pretty commonly held belief lmao
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u/dntcareboutdownvotes 15h ago
While on the one hand you are correct that sarcasm doesn't always come across in text, in this case it came across very clearly.
I suspect if you were to read that comment after a good night's sleep you would probably comprehend it in the way it was clearly intended.
Just out of interest, you say that reading Ops original comment made you laugh your arse off in frustration - is that something you do a lot?
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u/Savage-September 7h ago
Absolutely, revoke citizenship. Go to America or Italy they practice free speech there.
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u/Stoyfan Cambridgeshire 18h ago
Very Trumpian. Stripping people of their citizenship because you do not like their views.
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u/pajamakitten Dorset 18h ago
They do not have a right to intimidate others though.
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u/Stoyfan Cambridgeshire 17h ago
Is "intimidation" aganst the law? Clearly not if these activists have not not been arrested. The Sarah Begum case involves laws related to terrorism being broken. In this case, this is an individual who may be doing things that you disagree with but are ultimately not illegal.
Being a British citizen means very little if the government is willing to strip people of their citizenship because they are doing lawful acts that they disagree with.
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u/DasharrEandall 8h ago
Is "intimidation" aganst the law? Clearly not if these activists have not not been arrested.
This is the worldview of a child.
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u/Blazured 17h ago
Stripping people of citizenship is broadly supported by Right-wingers all over the UK.
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u/xwsrx 1d ago
Oh man. Brace yourselves for the deafening roar of all those Reform and Tory supporters who absolutely reject foreign influence on British politics.
Only the abject hypocrites among them will stay silent.
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u/AirResistence 22h ago
dont forget they will also be screaming about how islam controls woman while at the same time they side with a group of people that want to control women :O
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u/Conscious-Ball8373 Somerset 6h ago
Unlike the Labour and Green hypocrites, who were fine with sending activists to campaign for the Democrats last year. I don't think that's been forgotten.
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u/cameheretosaythis213 5h ago
Tories had people going to campaign in US also. Strange how the media chose not to highlight that though isn’t it
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u/Venoosian 1d ago
Why can’t these controlling religious pricks just leave us the fuck alone?
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u/Happytallperson 23h ago
Because leaving people alone is counter to their entire political project.
I'm currently reading 'Wild Faith' by Talia Lavin and it's a very stark presentation of just how off the wall and utterly mainstream these groups are in the US now.
And they are aggressively targeting the UK - when British politicians go to the US Conservative Political Action Conference or Heritage Foundation or invite those speakers to the UK 'National Conservative' events, they're directly drawing funds from people who are literally trying to make the book of revelation real.
And Labour aren't immune either - when Wes Streeting fawns over the so called 'Darlington Nurses' he's backing a Christian Legal Centre campaign - a group that had spent years running false information campaigns backed by US money to undermine the NHS.
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u/fujoshimoder Durham 16h ago
A lot of mainstream UK anti-trans groups and personalities have links to American Evangelical groups (including Heritage Foundation) unsurprisingly, the attacks on women's reproductive rights and trans rights are two fronts of the same war.
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u/Happytallperson 9h ago
Indeed. Donald Trump hates trans people because they don't adhere to his world view that women are for baby making and groping, and so when all these do called feminist declare he's right about trans people, the media really should be asking what exactly they agree with.
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u/AntysocialButterfly 1d ago
Yeah! We have our own controlling religious pricks fucking things up for us already!
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u/pajamakitten Dorset 18h ago
But we are a predominantly secular society. The Church of England has very little sway regarding public opinions.
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u/Conscious-Ball8373 Somerset 6h ago
Because last year we were sending activists over there to campaign in their elections. What's good for the goose...
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u/Tuarangi West Midlands 5h ago
There's a huge difference between a few people choosing to go to support a party during an election campaign and religious groups in the US funding misinformation and attempts to change the law to remove the rights of women and trans people
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u/Intrepid_Solution194 8h ago
Why can’t religious people have the same rights of protest as anyone else?
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u/Tuarangi West Midlands 5h ago
They can, and do. The protective zones are there because it went beyond protest and became intimidation and disturbing the people who live there - the ones in Kings Norton were giving school girls graphic photos of foetuses while loudly shouting and signing at women using the clinic even when it was for sexual health. Protest at parliament or to your MP, don't pretend it's a protest when your goal is to upset women and stop them using a clinic.
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u/Intrepid_Solution194 4h ago
The only group of people who can’t protest outside the institutions that they object to.
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u/Wgh555 1d ago
Honestly this puritan radical Christian bullshit can seriously fuck off. There’s a reason the first American settlers were often loony bible bashing English people.
It’s permeated their culture even today, everything is so extreme there.
I say this as someone who was raised Church Of England with an Oxford educated Reverend guardian reading grandfather. Nothing like American Christianity.
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u/grayparrot116 1d ago
Did we really not expect the US to export and support their narrow-minded ideals around the West?
One of the members of the American government is literally trying to interfere in European politics, so this isn't surprising.
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u/Psychological-Ad1264 19h ago
We've accepted the Saudis doing the same through promoting and expanding the extremist Wahhabist sect in the UK for decades.
It's understandable why Christian extremists would think they could do likewise.
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u/grayparrot116 19h ago
It doesn't matter who does it or what religion they follow. It's wrong either way.
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u/Samuelwankenobi_ 1d ago
The whole of Trump's White house can fuck off stay out of the UK stop trying to have some control over us
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u/DAZBCN 23h ago
Absolutely agree and it’s about time our useless government grew some balls and told them where to go in fact I don’t understand why all the countries don’t do this
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u/Samuelwankenobi_ 23h ago
They are too weak to stand up to the US because they don't want to lose them as a trade partner with I think we will no matter what we do at this point unless we let America control everything which we don't fucking want
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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland 7h ago
Another ‘Brexit benefit’ - making the U.K. so weak we’re at the mercy of Trump. Wonderful.
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u/inevitablelizard 6h ago
Breaking free of US influence has to be done gradually because we need to wean ourselves off them in multiple areas. I hope this is happening behind the scenes and the public being nice to them is just a show while that process happens.
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u/Substantial_Steak723 1d ago
I was on the Scotland reddit just the other week saying expect USA interference via street preachers and religious protestor funded by the whitehouse as part of project 2025,.. got disbelief and doubt plus a bit of mockery.
Hope they see this news article and have a wee think.
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u/dr_jock123 Scotland 22h ago
I mean we're aware of the American preachers coming here they keep appearing in Glasgow then promptly getting told to do one
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u/MissCaleyV 1d ago
It’ll be funding coming from the same groups funding a lot of the anti-trans culture war bullshit. I assure it’s already here and it’s already doing very well for itself
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u/AntysocialButterfly 1d ago
TBH I'm wondering which one of those groups is funding the Letby Truthers at this point.
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u/potpan0 Black Country 1d ago
I think it's important to remember that a majority of Americans never supported removing abortion rights. Whenever abortion rights specifically has been put on the ballot, pro-choice options have won.
They don't care about winning over the majority to these views. What they care about is riling up and indoctrinating a minority enough so that, once they get into any position of power, they'll use that position of power to strip back women's rights.
I've mentioned it in other comments, but I think people are being far too naive when they insist it can't happen here. We'll never see a party primarily running on restricting abortions rights. But what we are seeing is that the right-wing parties in this country (and certain sections of Labour too) are becoming increasingly influenced by far-right American social issues, largely because they're receiving hefty donations from far-right American billionaires who tell them to care about these issues. And, just like in America, I could very much see a party winning on these very conventional bread-and-butter issues right-wing parties usually campaign on, but once in power they move to restrict abortion rights.
Look at Farage, for example. He's mainly campaigning on his usual shite about how foreigners are to blame for all our problems. But he's also very quietly saying that we need to have a conversation about abortion rights too. He's making it clear to his wealthy donors that, if he got power, he'd return the favour by restricting abortion rights.
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u/According_Parfait680 1d ago
And yet apparently the whole world is being run by a cabal of leftie liberal wealthy autocrats who are actively working to suppress the will of the people...
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u/Ver_Void 19h ago
The anti trans stuff was adopted with the kind of zeal they're dreaming of, anyone who didn't think that was a prelude is going to be in for quite a shock
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u/birdinthebush74 1d ago
Last year we had numerous roll backs on reproductive rights added to the Criminal Justice Bill.
The were tabled by Reform MP Lee Anderson and Tory MPS. Only Rishi calling the election stopped them being voting on. Reform ran quite a few 'Get Britain back to church' Evangelicals at the GE last year.
Farage has said the birthrate will increase if he becomes PM and he has teamed up with ADF who want the UK to copy the US Bible Belt's laws
If enough people vote in MPs that hold those views, then thats it, expect to see rollbacks . I doubt many voters even know their MP's names they just vote for a rosette
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u/j0kerclash 1d ago
It might feel that way now, but when they start to spread disinformation, people's opinions will change, and the zeitgeist will shift.
It's essential that US's hateful rhetoric doesn't have an opportunity to plant its roots here.
Even the very idea that it isn't so bad is the first step or many towards falling into that rabbit hole
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u/merryman1 1d ago
I wouldn't be too confident myself. We've just hit a point where religious beliefs now outnumber agnostics/atheists in this country and the only form of Christianity that is actually growing in numbers here is the crazy evangelical/pentecostal kind who wind up supporting these sorts of far-right culture war issues.
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u/hime-633 22h ago edited 22h ago
Said it before, will say again.
Livia can think and say what she likes. But she cannot intimidate vulnerable women because that's against the fucking law.
Use your time more wisely, Livia. Volunteer to help mothers and children. Apply to become a foster carer. Apply to adopt. Raise money for families in poverty.
If you actually gave a shit about children, you would do something better and more tangible than just stigmatise women.
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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland 7h ago edited 7h ago
You know that. I know that. Pretty much everyone here knows that.
The trouble is we’re not the intended audience for this sort of performative stunt. That audience is back in the U.S. and they lap up these sort of “Christian’s are the real persecuted victims” and “muh free speech absolutism” narratives.
Thats part of why this is landing so badly with people here - we’re not really the targets. It’s for US domestic consumption … where unfortunately it will likely play all to well. It’s still relatively rare for Americans to travel outwith their own country and they’re often quite staggeringly naive and parochial about the rest of the world. Particularly the whole “not every country does things the exact same way Americans do” aspect.
As to why: that’s a little less clear. Possibly as part of the Republican effort to justify stabbing former European allies in the back. And probably partly to justify even more interference in U.K. politics.
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u/Substantial_Steak723 1d ago
Export, extort, it's all the same to Donald's Maga madness,
Time therefore to deport.
This lady and a few Americans in the embassy as a warning shot across the bows.
After all they have been detaining uk and canadian citizens needlessly.
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u/Tricky_Peace 1d ago
Every time I see something come out of the White House, it keeps getting worse.
Move over interesting times, I want dull boring times again
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u/appletinicyclone 23h ago
Jimmy the giant was right about the Americanization of Britain
Their "conservatives" and magapoopulists are disgusting
The UK has excellent laws on abortion that work
Magapoops trying to radicalize the Christians here with their mad evangelical doctrine is disgusting
And their left and center just completely capitulate due to outrage fatigue.
I love non magapoop Americans but you guys there have fucked up so badly we don't need their investment in destabilizing the infrastructure of the UK and union busting workers rights decimations. We don't need their chlorinated chickens. We don't need their senior magapoops pushing far right race riots. We don't need them running cover for goose stepping authy Russian tyrants just because they admire his faux Christian natzo strongman rhetoric. We don't need their Twitter. We don't need their Teslas. The only thing we do need of them is to guarantee shipping lanes and not financial collapse they're getting lazy about doing either of those things as well.
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u/Difficult_Falcon1022 23h ago
I am someone who would probably be described as a troubled woman. Whilst I have zero history of ASB, I have complex needs and a substance issue, as well as severe ADHD.
I have never had an abortion, although I have used the morning after pill a handful of times in the years I've been sexually active.
Whilst I think in a few areas I would be a good mother, overall I am obviously aware that I am in no way stable. If I had a child, most especially a boy, living in the inner city, that kid would be so likely to end up extremely troubled. I don't want someone to have to live that life, I obviously don't want to live that life, but I also do not want to subject society at large to that.
I guess what I'm saying is, take away my right to an abortion and to spite you I shall bear the most crackedhead gobshite this nation has ever produced.
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u/birdinthebush74 23h ago
Motherhood is not for everyone, its a choice and is not essential to being a women.
The problem is some groups think it is, protesters like this women for example
Sociology paper on the views of anti abortion protestors in England and Wales
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u/MadamKitsune 20h ago
I guess what I'm saying is, take away my right to an abortion and to spite you I shall bear the most crackedhead gobshite this nation has ever produced.
If they take hold here the way they have in the USA then you might not get a choice. Now that their plans to stop abortion are gathering momentum they seem to be turning their eyes to stopping access to contraception.
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u/DireBriar 21h ago
"But mother, I want to be a productive, understanding and sensible member of society!"
"NO MEANS NO"
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u/Difficult_Falcon1022 15h ago
Of course that's how I would want my child to be an upstanding member of the community. Just feel like threatening the rights of people who are in my kind of position deserves to have the truth said back. If I have an abortion I'm doing you a fucking favour and saving you a packet so I don't expect to beg for it and British rightwingers need to not be such lapdogs and actually say, no here in the UK we have settled the abortion debate.
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u/Poptastrix 22h ago
Everytime JD Vance appears, he is stuffing some conservative preachers coffers with anti abortion protest money. USA sponsored protesting.
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u/real_Mini_geek 1d ago
Can anyone explain why they’re making such a big deal about this because abortion is legal in the US?
Is it because they want to allow people to “protest” directly outside of a clinic?
It’s not really restricting freedom of speech to stop people protesting in certain places it’s just stopping harassment of people and stopping it being a nuisance to people who aren’t involved
Is there no protection for people carrying out something that’s perfectly legal?
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u/birdinthebush74 23h ago
They want the buffer zone law repealed so they can approach and harass people passing the clinic.
Wealthy US Religious legal group ADF are helping fund and publicize this. They are the group that overturned Roe v Wade, they want a global ban on abortion, same sex marriage and no fault divorce.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/02/us-anti-abortion-group-expands-campaign-in-uk
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u/real_Mini_geek 23h ago
I wonder if they have any Russian money coming in their end..
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u/birdinthebush74 23h ago
Interestingly you could be right. Back in 2021 the European Parliament investigated groups trying to roll back abortion right, LGBTQ rights etc in Europe. Russia was contributing funding
Link to report https://www.epfweb.org/node/837
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u/Inevitable_Price7841 22h ago
These so-called "Christians" don't care about life. They have zero empathy for people postnatal, as demonstrated by their treatment of immigrants and veterans. All they care about is controlling women's reproductive systems, and not because they believe that life is "sacred," but because they want to forcibly reverse the decline in birthrates. What happens to those children postpartum is none of their concern. Even if they are raised in broken homes and left traumatised by poverty caused by corporate greed, it is irrelevant to them. Even if those children won't be able to receive an adequate education or suitable healthcare, it is not their problem. What matters is that they have a continuous flow of poor, uneducated, white church fodder to work the fields and fight their wars.
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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland 6h ago edited 6h ago
Excellent points. I’d add to that the argument that if they were really serious about reducing abortion they’d also be going all-in on things like making contraception easily available and really thorough sex education for kids, both of which have been shown in innumerable studies to have a massive impact on things like teen pregnancy.
But they don’t - in fact a lot of them are staunchly against making contraception available and proper sex education. (In fact they generally advocate replacing sex education with “abstinence only sex education” which doesn’t work).
Which very much supports your conclusions, particularly the one about the real motivation being control over women’s reproductive rights.
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u/Inevitable_Price7841 6h ago
You raised a perfect example of their hypocrisy. They are against abortion and against preventing unwanted pregnancies with contraception and sex education. Meaning, that their only priority is the removal of women's rights and forcing them to become brood mares. As the saying goes, "If you ban abortion, you won't prevent abortion, you only stop safe abortion." They won't be happy until women are bleeding out in alleyways again from botched DIY procedures.
Also, if you pay attention to the rhetoric from politicians in America and the far-right religeous movements like The Heritage Foundation who support and fund these "Christian" activists, it's clear that they are attempting to exploit this abortion issue to solve their demographic crises and the decline in birthrates, which is necessary to have enough people to populate their intended implementation of a Christo-Fascist utopia. And cunts like Farage are unscrupulous enough to invite them over here and sell us out for personal gain.
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u/Dramatic-Ad-4607 21h ago
What happened to “AMERICAN FIRST !! I don’t care about other countries only America babyyyyy” then why the f are you here in our country butting your nose in trying to force us to be like you ? We have our own issues to deal with here without these lot coming here trying to force their “American values” onto us
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u/shaun2312 Northamptonshire 21h ago
Why are America always overreaching and trying to influence how we run our country
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u/Sharlut 23h ago
Don’t make us come back over there and burn the White House again.
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u/Ver_Void 18h ago
Is already a flaming mess, you're basically threatening to put a hat on a hat at this point
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u/Sharlut 18h ago
"I'm Johnny two hats. Do you know why they call me that?"
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u/Ver_Void 18h ago
You're the son of Steven two hats? The guy from London who lies about how many hats he has?
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u/Sir_Henry_Deadman 20h ago
These fake Christians are pumping millions to corrupt the UK ... They need stopping before some opportunistic politicians who want some cash start demanding "debates" then crying about free speech
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u/Savage-September 7h ago
Just to remind you all what she was found guilty of.
“On two consecutive days in March 2023, Tossici-Bolt stood diagonally opposite the BPAS clinic in Bournemouth, approximately 50 metres away, holding a sign.
She refused requests to leave the area, claiming that she had not been given an adequate reason to do so, and declined to pay two fixed penalty notices issued by the council.”
She was well aware of the buffer zones around the BPAS clinic yet decided on 2 separate occasions, on 2 separate days to ignore advice to simply move down the street. Her intention was to deliberately intimidate women in their most vulnerable state by presenting herself as this placid caring individual all the while attempting to deter women from making a personal health choice. The law is clear, there is a buffer zone, women who are in this vulnerable state have had many conversations with professionals, specialist, friends and family. They don’t need you to talk to. If you want to do this why don’t you go to America or Italy and practice your “free speech”.
The fact that you got away with this level of intimidation for 2 consecutive days, then refused to pay the fines is astonishing. And it’s a testament to the restraint and patience the council had with you. You made a scene outside of the clinic because you believe your free speech is more important than someone’s personal health decision.
Then you have the audacity of the fucking yanks telling us about free speech and threatening trade deals. These fucking traitorous coward have the fucking nerve to get involved in our legal system when they are going around telling the world they will invade Greenland, Panama and Canada. How fucking dear they. The back stabbing Putin loving bootlickers giving us a lecture of free speech and protecting democracy all while cosying up to Putin and forcing the Ukrainians to a protection racket and to surrender their sovereignty to a tyrant.
I never want to hear of see any America ever talk about free speech again. And I certainly don’t want them involved in our country’s affairs.
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u/MohawkRex 23h ago
Poor immigrants vote = "We must keep out the foreign invaders!!!"
Rich immigrants "vote" = "What of free speech?"
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u/Wryly_Wiggle_Widget 21h ago
Oh yeah, it's the same controlling religious pricks who currently peddle mass transphobia in our media today - in case you were wondering why there were some 50 something articles published about a trans doctor who did nothing wrong but was still doxed and thrown into the spotlight in court because a transohobic nurse lost her job for letting her bigotry stop her from even help patients in need of immediate medical attention came from.
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u/wlondonmatt 8h ago
Given the US is deporting people for writing editorials in newspapers they can fuck off judging britains record on free speech
These anti abortion activists are often paid to come to the UK if that is the case they should be deported for working illegally.
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u/DigbyGibbers 1d ago
> “no free trade without free speech”
I think in principle I actually quite like the idea of values being projected like this, if we felt strongly the opposite I think it's ok that we don't end up with closer ties. I think they're probably not going to be consistent with it though when dealing with other more powerful nations.
I think in general we need to firm up what it is we mean by free speech in this country because right now it feels very muddled and dependent on the topic someone wishes to speak about. Some clarification on the types of protest we're going to allow would be good across the board.
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u/salmacis 22h ago
I'd go further and say no free trade without gun control. See how they like it.
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u/Substantial_Steak723 20h ago
No one was arsed to take it further and utilise law, ie make an mp, police super etc acknowledge and act at an entry level upon flying in that they were operating on false pretence against the interests of the union in an insidious manner in order to create mayhem, dissent for foreign political gain, putting the public at risk..
Has fcuk allrodo with their right to protest.
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u/gapgod2001 1d ago
"she was handed a two-year conditional discharge and ordered to pay £20,026 in costs for breaching a ban on protests in a protected buffer zone around the BPAS facility in Bournemouth, Dorset.
The dual UK-Italian citizen and mother of three stood outside the clinic holding a sign that read: “Here to talk if you want to.”
Giving her verdict, District Judge Orla Austin said that Tossici-Bolt was not “lawfully exercising” her rights of freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."
ECHR seems to be a very useful tool for judges to do what ever they like with people.
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u/LostNitcomb 23h ago
ECHR seems to be a very useful tool for judges to do what ever they like with people.
Lol - what are you talking about? It was the right-wing anti-abortion nut trying to use the ECHR to justify harassing women seeking treatment at an abortion clinic.
And the judge said “no, that not how it works”.
Sorry, but this story doesn’t fit your agenda.
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u/CreativismUK 22h ago
That’s not remotely what they were doing. That might be what she’s saying.
I encountered this woman and her group while I was running a protest about SEND cuts in the same local authority. The signs they were holding up said that they were being unlawfully prevented from praying and worshipping by the council. I didn’t know what it was about until later. Turns out they’d just been prevented from intimidating and harassing women in the buffer zone.
If she was just holding a sign offering a friendly ear, why would she be claiming she was prevented from praying?
They think they can pretend to be naive and say they weren’t harassing people but they absolutely were. And even if they were not, the buffer zones exist for a reason.
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u/mittfh West Midlands 19h ago
Added onto which, she'd been told to move on multiple times but refused, claiming that she hadn't been provided with a good enough reason and wasn't protesting, just volunteering (🙄), and refused to pay penalty notices, which was why the case went to court, with the legal costs exceeding £20k (which, by virtue of her having to pay the full whack, indicates, perhaps, that she has significant financial resources).
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u/CreativismUK 18h ago
Absolutely. Now she’s playing the “innocent, kindly elderly woman who just wants to help people” act but it doesn’t wash. They know exactly what they were doing. The nerve of trying to insist your rights are being infringed while trying to stop others from accessing their own rights is vile.
Want to pray about abortion? Do it somewhere else. Want to offer support to people? Set up a helpline and promote it and let people choose if they want to call.
I’m glad she’s been held responsible. I was so angry when I found out what their protest was about, it was so incredibly disingenuous.
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