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Milton Friedman on Tariffs and Free Trade

https://youtu.be/59YWFR8lCEc?si=b4jSG79TZrE8CHLl
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u/Spiritofhonour 2d ago

Summary of video: Someone asks Friedman about Japanese steel flooding the U.S. market and potentially killing American steel jobs, suggesting that Japan's government is helping their companies sell steel at super low prices. Friedman explains that this argument against free trade has been debunked since 1776 citing Adam Smith, and nearly every economist since then agrees.

Sure, cheap Japanese steel might hurt U.S. steel jobs, but here's the thing - those Japanese companies aren't going to just frame the dollars they get. They'll spend them somewhere, and those dollars will eventually circle back to buy American stuff. So while steel jobs might take a hit, other American jobs will pop up to balance things out. Plus, American consumers get a sweet deal with cheaper steel products.

Why then does the steel industry's protection argument seems to work so well politically? It's all about what you can see versus what you can't - you can point to specific steel workers losing jobs, but it's harder to identify the scattered new jobs that pop up elsewhere. To show how silly protection arguments are, he jokes about building expensive hothouses in Utah to grow bananas - sure, it'd create jobs, but it's obviously a waste. He wraps up by saying if Japan really is subsidizing their steel, hey, that's basically them giving Americans a gift.

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u/1900grs 2d ago

Sure, cheap Japanese steel might hurt U.S. steel jobs, but here's the thing - those Japanese companies aren't going to just frame the dollars they get.

His answer is too simple here partly because of how the question was framed for economics of the time. He doesn't take into account things like national security, like we're seeing now with steel. Not solely because of tariffs, but when a country loses the ability to make its own steel when mills shutter, you can't just start up production and supply lines in times of crisis. We become dependent on the foreign country for something we used to own. It's not just the flow of money. It's the control of resources and ownership of processes.

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u/plummbob 2d ago

He doesn't take into account things like national security

That was the justification for the Jones act.

And nearly 100 years later, we still don't have a large domestic ship building industry

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u/SeaArt6262 1d ago

Not a great example. The jones act isn’t tariffs. Which would have probably worked managed correctly. The problem is it regulates so much about water based transport that it effectively makes it untenable. It just killed the industry that consumed ships. Rather than making it more expensive to use foreign ships.

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u/plummbob 1d ago

Turns out, when you make things expensive domestically, people consume less of it

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u/SeaArt6262 10h ago edited 10h ago

False, inelastic goods and services. Which a huge percentage of the freight industry is.