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Discussion 5 rate cuts 😮

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u/Massive-Opposite-705 21h ago

What the end goal if you print more money for a bail out just continue kicking the can down the road. It’s like we’re building a dam that gets weaker each renovation and gets more water behind it. The longer you keep repairing it with tape and sticks the bigger the flood will be when it collapses. Let pain hit when it is supposed to hit rather than pushing it to the next generation double

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u/Syab_of_Caltrops Dirty HODLer 21h ago

The US is a world champ can kicker. You underestimate this country's can kicking skills.

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u/onpg 18h ago

That worked because we were the world reserve currency. Something our Dear Leader is working very hard to end.

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u/Syab_of_Caltrops Dirty HODLer 18h ago

What's going to replace it, a BRICS currency? The Euro?

I'm not denying there's pressure on the Petro Dollar and there are strong efforts to create an alternative, but all those alternatives are laughable, even conaidering the upheaval at the moment.

Humans love creaming doom and gloom, but it almost never come to pass.

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u/onpg 15h ago edited 14h ago

How old are you? Curious. They were laughable. Until this week.

Edit: well, until Trump won re-election actually. Because after that all of this was kind of inevitable.

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u/Syab_of_Caltrops Dirty HODLer 13h ago

Well out of college.

But seriously, in what word do middle eastern countries trade crude in Euros, or Western countries trade crude in a currency backed by China or Russia?

Even if they were open to it, it would take much longer than any of Trump's emergency provisions will last.

Dude's gone completely off the rails, but you're catastrophizing if you think that transition will happen any time soon. The long view on this is still fine. That can change, but right now we have no clue how things will shape up.

EDIT: If Inwas a betting man (and I am, this is WSB), I'd say a lot of this will be challeneged and over turned by courts. And, at that point, I think the Trump admin will see it as a relief and a way to get out of a very bad position they've put themselves in.

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u/onpg 13h ago

The problem is we've become a pariah on the world stage. You'd be surprised what people are capable of when pushed hard enough.

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u/highroller_rob 54m ago

Hot Take: Trump is working to replace the USD with bitcoin.

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u/Krisevol 19h ago

Every world power that has fallen, did so because they kicked the can. Every one of them.

Our choice now or raise rates to 10+% and pay back the debt... Or crumble like the rest.

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u/Syab_of_Caltrops Dirty HODLer 19h ago

LOL, this has been the line for 30 years (since the 90s inflationary period). If you call for the fall of Rome every day for 600 years you'll eventually be right.

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u/Krisevol 19h ago

Yup we will eventually collapse due to debt

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u/crimeo 8h ago

Current debt is completely fine. 1.3x your income is not that high actually. A couple with a new mortgage can be at like 600% of their income in debt and still not even be sub-prime, if they have a good job (the USA is like the guy with the best job of all, normally)

It WON'T be if we print trillions and trillions of dollars instead of just repealing stupid tariffs etc. and no longer "have a good job" anymroe in a depression, etc. But as of November 2024 under normal procedures and business as usual, it was not a meaningful threat at all.

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u/PrideOfAmerica 19h ago

They trained the Saints how to kick the can

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u/Aquarius_Age 21h ago

It's been that way since 2008 unfortunately, apparently there's no alternative

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u/YeetnotherThrowawayy 19h ago

no alternative that would keep power hungry fucktards who want complete control on the global financial system happy at least.

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u/jawndell 21h ago

That’s what Volcker did in the 80s.  Just rip the bandaid off and let the economy heal. 

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u/YeetnotherThrowawayy 19h ago

the whole fiat system which is deeply inherently flawed is built on kicking the can down the road as long as you can..

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u/_senor_snrub 18h ago

what happens when you delete the water out of the excel sheet?

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u/InclementBias 14h ago

everyone said this during covid prints and then during post 2008 QE and by all accounts JPow was landing the plane in insane crosswinds and we were so close while coping with the pain after all of us pointed and said it was impossible.. then this happens.

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u/Massive-Opposite-705 13h ago

Jpow was doing a great job it sucks that he doesn’t get to close his tenure the way it could have gone. If he pulled off the soft landing it would’ve been incredible. Now we’ll never know