r/BG3 3d ago

Bg3 Hot Take Edition

I'm feeling spicy and I want to hear some of your hot takes about the game. Perhaps, I'll see the game from a fresh perspective and/or learn something new.

There's no limit to the hot takes you can share.

I'll go first.

Despite Araj's negative reputation, I think she's one of the best merchants in the game. In act 2, she carries the risky ring and the ring of free action, which is already amazing. But she also offers unique elixirs in act 2. In act 3, she sells sanguine explosives, which is basically a level 4 fireball that you can buy for less than 20 gold. Getting the unstable blood condition from her in act 3, can also be powerful if you build around it. The +2 to strength is super powerful if you're willing to torture Astarion, but even without that, she's still an amazing npc. She's a little pushy with Astarion, but she ultimately accepts his no. So, I don't stay mad at her.

I don't think completing a "good run" automatically makes your character good aligned. Basing your decisions around not making your favorite npcs sad is not a sound moral compass. I think there are more morally neutral people out there than people are willing to admit. It isn't a bad thing to be morally neutral. Jaheira is canonically true neutral in the older games, and people love her.

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u/sadhagraven 3d ago

Most of my hot takes are disliking characters, honestly.

I don't understand the appeal of Alfira at all and wouldn't want her as a companion. Yes, a bard companion would have been neat, but she's so boring and one-note. I feel objectively bad about killing her as Durge, since it's still the death of an innocent, but it doesn't feel like you lose out on much otherwise.

I also don't understand the love for Karlach. I've forced myself to keep her around in 2 of my 8 completed playthroughs and just can't anymore. Her post-Gortash and docks scenes makes sense in the context of her character, but they feel like they take 5 years to get through and come across as disruptive to me.

And Orin. Her VA did a good job, but by god, I cannot stand how Orin's speech patterns and mannerisms are written. She also just comes across as a weak and unconvincing villain. It works on a Durge run, where she feels like the whiny younger cousin who wants what they can't have but isn't actually qualified for it, but in a Tav or other origin run, it doesn't feel right at all.

Honorable mentions are Dame Aylin, Minsc, and the resolution of Rolan's story. Someone else mentioned Aylin being boring, and I absolutely agree. She had so much potential, but it really is wasted in favor of her being lumped entirely with Isobel. Minsc feels too childish for me, and (no hate to Matt Mercer) I hate his voice. Boo is also not interesting and comes across as forced in terms of "cuteness." Lastly, what do you mean I get to dispatch a pathetic wizard with barely any help from Rolan and he gets a whole wizard tower to himself afterwards? No, sweetie, I didn't kill Lorroakan for you to get the tower. I have as much of a right to it as you do.

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u/AdditionalMess6546 Bard 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think Orin being a temu villain makes perfect sense, as she knows she was never the first choice, but it wasn't written well. I think they could have played up her all consuming self doubt much better, and it would have fleshed (heh) out her character a lot better.

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u/Dongbang420 3d ago

Facts bro, the less grey a character is the less deep and interesting they are. Orin and Karlach are my two least favorite characters in the game. Karlach is never wrong, always strives to do the right thing, and hates the bad guys. There’s not a lot more there. Orin loves murder and killing.

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u/Substantial-Mess666 2d ago

Karlach is chaotic good... I don't think she's "never wrong" and "always tries to do the right thing." If you go to the last light inn in Act 2 and talk to that tief kid who sells stuff (Mattis?) she gives him advice on how to steal/scam better. You can call her out on it, and she'll tell you to fuck off and that any advice she gives a tief kid is between her and them. She's prone to emotional outbursts and burns down a whole building because of it. She's actually got kind of a sinister/vengeful side and can get tunnel-visioned when thinking of revenge, like openly wanting to attack Gortash as soon as she sees him (even though it would be a losing fight and a terrible move). I think she's a great example of chaotic good.

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u/eagles_arent_coming 3d ago

Agree about Minsc. He’s so hyped up and I honestly have a hard time keeping him around.

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u/AdditionalMess6546 Bard 2d ago

It's mostly nostalgia. If you played the originals as a kid, there's a good chance you liked Minsc.

I will say, however, he's very much flanderized for BG3, whereas in BG1&2, he's got time to show a lot more depth especially if you're a female spellcaster after Dynahir dies

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u/GalleonStar 2d ago

No, it's not. Most people I know who play bg3, including me, have never played any of the other bg games but still love Minsc 

It's actually really simple. People who hate Superman are scum irl. If a character being morally good is boring to you, YOU are the problem.

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u/Hescee 2d ago

You see.. superman is boring tho. Thinking a good character is boring and thinking they dont make the right choices are two different things. You can be a morally good character while also not being boring

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u/eagles_arent_coming 1d ago

Imagine being this self-righteous over a video game companion.

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u/tricky_toy 3d ago

Eight playthroughs will surely get people seeing things differently, or dare I say appreciate things less. Nonethess, I agree with the take on Alfira, Orin, and Dame Aylin.

Also, Karlach gaslighting us after beating Gortash is so stupid.

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u/Old-Quail6832 3d ago

?? Gaslighting? What do you mean?

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u/sadhagraven 3d ago

I assume they mean her "Why do you deserve to live and I don't" outburst. It's an emotional moment for her, but it comes across as super backhanded towards the player. I wouldn't necessarily call it gaslighting, though.

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u/tricky_toy 3d ago

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u/Old-Quail6832 3d ago

That's guilt tripping, not gaslighting. But yeah, she shouldn't have said that. Tbf she's lowkey slowly burning to death over the course of Act 3. Not gonna get on a soapbox to defend her here, but I know I'd be a total mental wreck if I went through half of what she has over the past decade.

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u/KathKR 2d ago

The only gaslighting was what Karlach did to herself when she refused to acknowledge her mortality until her final days, despite having very much been on the clock.

In that moment, she's just angry because to her she doesn't matter, never mattered, and thinks that even her friends will carry on as if she never existed once she's gone. She's not gaslighting the player character or saying they deserve to die, not her. She's finally accepting that she's done and experiencing the anger stage of grief, having previously been stuck in denial.