r/Conservative • u/[deleted] • May 22 '17

Sidebar Tribute: Governor Ronald Reagan

This week's sidebar tribute goes to Ronald Reagan, who before serving as president, was governor of California from 1967-1975.

Today, the University of California, Berkeley and the surrounding neighborhood are Antifa's playground. Back in the 60s, just as today, Berkeley was rife with lawless commies, often threatening or enacting vandalism and violence.

However unlike current California Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown, Reagan knew that the only way to foster a stable environment was through ensuring law and order. If rioters and protesters got their way by using extra-legal methods, there would be no end to their anarchy and the foundations of our democratic society would weaken.

Reagan set an example for how to deal with Antifa and other insurgent commie groups: through the use of lawful force to uphold order and protect the rights of people to assemble, speak, and learn without threats of physical violence and property destruction.

Ronald Reagan Dealing with Violent Protesters

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u/FePeak Fight like a Leftist May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17

My thoughts exactly.

"Negotiate? What is there to negotiate?"

Something you'll never hear the GOP ever say.

Not unless the Ann Coulter wing takes complete control.

Shame he compromised and gave illegals Amnesy in 1986, for the empty promise of a secure border. He thus helped paved the way for the destruction of the United States.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17

Lol. Reagan helped in the "destruction of the United States" with illegal immigrants... said the guy who voted for a president who decided to keep Obama's executive amnesty...

Edit: got your hyperbolic quote wrong

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u/FePeak Fight like a Leftist May 22 '17

Reagan paved the way for it, and normalized the pro-illegal immigration right.

Oh, and I'm FOR not opposing any Trump Impeachment if he doesn't get deporting.

Depending on how it plays, that'll generate the necessary anger to achieve my policy desires-- one way or another. It's not like the post-Hillary/Obama, post-Berkeley America is a nation of laws.

PS- Reagan blew out the deficit. Put not your faith in princes; idolatry involving Saint Reagan won't save you. He didn't even stand up for Judge Sessions or Justice Bork.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '17

Reagan was the best post-WWII president by a wide margin. Not a saint, but a good messenger, and decent president. And his deficit pales in comparison with Trump's here, and he actually inherited the business end of a recession from his predecessor. Something something not faith in princes.

Reagan paved the way for it, and normalized the pro-illegal immigration right.

So Reagan is why Trump lied to his followers and left executive amnesty in place? This doesn't require the legislature. He could have flipped the switch on DACA. As it stands, it looks like he'd rather these people have anchor babies while the clock ticks and they still accept applicants.

You aren't getting your "policy desires", but you will give Trump a free pass because it's about the personality of Trump and not the policies, and he's "different".

DACA, a strong position against Russia, bigger arms deals with the Saudis than Obama, half-assed Repeal and Replace. Something that will likely look like the meager Bush tax cuts when it's done in the Senate, unreformed entitlements, 600 Billion deficit. Hard to imagine Jeb Bush doing things differently, but that's okay, because at least it's Trump.

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u/FePeak Fight like a Leftist May 22 '17

Something something not faith in princes.

Oh, boy. Mate, I just told you I'm fine with his impeachment if my policy goals aren't met.

You aren't getting your "policy desires", but you will give Trump a free pass because it's about the personality of Trump and not the policies, and he's "different".

More reading, less projecting. Please.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17

Oh, boy. Mate, I just told you I'm fine with his impeachment if my policy goals aren't met.

Pretty stupid. I'm not. Good heavens, he'd better be charged with misdemeanors or high crimes for me to be okay with it. Him being a garbage president doesn't have anything to do with it, but that's only because I do place a shred of faith in the constitution. You don't rationalise the head of state being removed because he doesn't behave how you want.

More reading, less projecting. Please.

A fairly accurate projection, if I had to guess. The fact that you just ripped Reagan for something the Democrats reneged on and said nothing about the weak-willed current occupant of the white house who has acquiesced to Obama's executive amnesty betrays your leanings here.

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u/FePeak Fight like a Leftist May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17

You don't rationalise the head of state being removed because he doesn't behave how you want.

He swore to protect the United States and its Constitution.

Wilful dereliction of duty, or gross negligence if not deliberate and political abandonment of this oath, are grounds for impeachment.

The fact that you just ripped Reagan for something the Democrats reneged on and said nothing about the weak-willed current occupant of the white house who has acquiesced to Obama's executive amnesty betrays your leanings here.

Is English a second language? I just said, again, that I'm in favor of removing him on that charge alone.

It's like I'm communicating with a SJW.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '17

Yawn. SJW? You can do better than a baseline Trump-worshipper insult. The mindless insults from that tribe are substantially less disheartening than the lack of imagination.

If you're calling for Trump's impeachment right now because of DACA, this is the first you've mentioned it since he's been inaugurated. It kinda seems like you're only pretending to care about it now because I've pointed out your inconsistency in blaming Reagan. And "policy desires" are how you just rationalized it a few comments up. "Policy desires" are bad reasons for impeachment. If you truly believe Trump is doing something unconstitutional by keeping DACA in place (which campaign Trump might also pretend to agree with) - fine, but that doesn't have much to do with "policy desires"

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u/darthhayek Libertarian Conservative May 22 '17

Trump-worshipper insult

you're kidding, right

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u/[deleted] May 22 '17

Going around calling people SJW's who aren't? It's pretty common for the real worshipful to go around and call conservatives who disagree with them on something unrelated to "social justice" SJW's. Here, we are talking about whether "policy desires" are good justification for supporting impeachment, and he's saying I argue like an SJW...

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u/darthhayek Libertarian Conservative May 22 '17

fair 'nuff, that just made me sperg out

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