Comparison between Pump and Infiltrator (Rare Rarity)

[u/Riley6445]

Thought I would discuss this as lately once again Pump-like Shotguns have been buffed significantly compared to the others, Spas is definitely still better but what do you guys think about the Infiltrator now?

[u/ZauhFN]

I’m not sure if it’s the animation or what but whenever I pull out the infiltrator after editing it doesn’t shoot half the time.

[u/Arrrdii → u/ZauhFN]

It has a longer pull out delay than most other shotguns, you need to get used to waiting a little before shooting

[u/univrsll → u/Arrrdii]

This reason makes it garbage. Any decent player with a different shotgun will always beat you in being able to shoot first and then cover

[u/Arrrdii → u/univrsll]

Yeah I agree, I'll take the pump over the infiltrator every time. If it had a normal delay it'd be such a good shotgun

[u/Riley6445 → u/Arrrdii]

it’s the animation, not the actual pull out speed as in my testing the Infiltrator actually went between 0.42 and 0.41 while the Pump did 0.42 and 0.43

the Suppressed Pistol way back in Chapter 1 had a similar issue

[u/Arrrdii → u/Riley6445]

The animation is aligned with the pull out delay tho? And how did you test it and get these results when the Infiltrator takes noticably longer to take out (not saying you're lying, just a little confused rn)

[u/Riley6445 → u/Arrrdii]

when you equip a weapon the white dots/lines will show up grey, when the weapon is ready to fire it’ll become white which is how i found the equip speed time

the animation however is just for show, you technically dont need the animation to know when to fire

but due to how weird the animation is our brains are tricked into thinking it’s longer than 0.42 seconds

[u/Arrrdii → u/Riley6445]

I tested it myself and damn, you're right. Crazy what our brain can do lol

[u/Riley6445 → u/ZauhFN]

it’s always the animation

[u/Broad-Doughnut5956]

The pull out time is absolutely edging me after getting so used to the Sentinel pullout time. Feels like half my shots don’t go off anymore.

[u/Riley6445 → u/Broad-Doughnut5956]

that’s how newer shotguns always are, they’re either 0.27 or 0.3

[u/scoopditydoop]

The range with the infiltrator, in my opinion, makes it superior. I've been choosing it over the pump since the buff. The times when I would have maybe got a 20 tag I now get between 50 and 70 changes outcomes of fights substantially. Especially in a 1v2 scenario where you have to try to play more range while backing up creating space.

[u/Riley6445 → u/scoopditydoop]

that’s what i thought too, the 1.0 fire rate and range feels a better difference than the 110 pump

[u/TaitsRevenge → u/scoopditydoop]

Exactly. The amount of times I have hit for less than 50 damage with the sentinel is ridiculous. I even have a clip where I had to tag someone 4 times with it just to kill them with it and I was well with in range since it was a build fight. I think the fact you have to hit someone in the “sweet spot” with it just to do maybe 70-100 damage is insane. God forbid you hit someone in the leg or arm and you end up hitting for 30, with the infiltrator I only need to land 2 shots most the time to get the kill, the sentinel had so much potential but the inconsistency it had ruined everything about it.

[u/Special-Trouble8658]

I actually like the infiltrator now, I always pick it for speed realistics.

[u/B13-Up]

Infiltrator has this stats in reload ? I guess if you compare these two yes. I thought it was only buffed in regular mode

[u/Riley6445 → u/B13-Up]

no, when a weapon is changed it’s across all modes

unless you are Chapter 5 or OG and you have multiple different weapons

[u/Pezkamaster2]

The thing just doesnt shoot. After i pull it out and EVEN WAIT for a moment it refuses to fire. No reason using it over the busted sentinel

[u/Riley6445 → u/Pezkamaster2]

hence why i used the Pump as an example as the Sentinel is better

[u/Novel_Understanding0]

Where did you find these stats?

[u/Riley6445 → u/Novel_Understanding0]

just from looking and testing

they tend to up the damage (101 for example on the Rare Infiltrator) whenever it’s 0.5 or up, for example 100.8 will show up as 101 in the stats but that isnt the case

or the Lever-Action Shotgun that has never changed shows at 109 at Epic when it’s 108.9

[u/wbeheuuwbevegw]

I think the infiltrator’s main strength of range just isn’t able to be utilised that often, if I’m in a standard fight I’d want the sentinel every time. It’s good to see that it’s at least usable though, the other options they’ve added in chapter 6 have been laughable.

[u/Riley6445 → u/wbeheuuwbevegw]

it’s basically the Combat Shotgun because i believe they both have the same range, both start to fall-off at 2.5 tiles (12.5 meters)

[u/Phoenix800478944]

I love the infiltrator

[u/shadboi16]

How are the stats compared to Sentinel?

[u/Riley6445 → u/shadboi16]

Sentinel has 103.2-180 Damage, 86.4 Build Damage, x1.75 Headshot, 0.85 Fire Rate, 4 Mag, 4.9 Second Reload, 1.25/5.75 Range, 0.28 Equip Time and 12 Pellets

[u/shadboi16 → u/Riley6445]

Yeahh the Sentinels still good. Not sure why but I feel like the Infiltrator can be really good. Let’s assume Epic doesn’t want to buff its pull out delay, I feel like it could really benefit from increased headshot multiplier like x1.85 and better reload. Could definitely see support players in teams pick it up if that’s the case.

[u/Riley6445 → u/shadboi16]

the Sentinel needs a nerf, the Infiltrator is basically a long ranged OG Pump that cant 200

[u/Scary-Sorbet7864]

The pump is almost equal to one of the worst shotguns ever. Why do we still use it???

[u/Key_Independence7041]

Pump is just obviously so much better, only better think on infiltrator is demage fall off, but either way most fights are in close courters.

[u/Riley6445 → u/Key_Independence7041]

although it’s 10 less damage/headshot, 0.1 less multiplier and longer reload it has Combat Shotgun range, faster fire rate, 6 magazine, and a tighter spread especially when ADS

at spas level i think spas is better but low tier Infiltrator is pretty damn good