r/JoeRogan • u/Anteater4746 Monkey in Space • Mar 04 '25

Meme 💩 Guess we’re done with free speech eh?

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Who decides what is illegal? How proud boys aren’t being targeted for wearing masks?

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u/TheWolffMann Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Would be nice to explain what is considered an illegal protest right? This might be at odds with that whole free speech thing right?

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u/12boru Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

As long as you trespass, storm through fences, break windows, assault officers, and vandalize property, you should be ok. /s

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u/billysmallz Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

On the off chance that you are persecuted, you will likely be pardoned of any wrongdoing in future.

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

As long as you trespass, storm through fences, break windows, assault officers, and vandalize property, you should be ok. /s

You forgot KILL officers. Trying to ban protests now? This is unbelievable.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

“No officers were killed” - every response to a comment about J6

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Except the four officers who committed suicide after from directly linked to Jan 6th and the officer who was struck in the head with a flying metal pole that was thrown from the crowd trying to breach the capitol.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I’m on your side. Re read what I said.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I know, I'm just backing up with links :)

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Did any die on that day?

Or should people believe the obfuscation?

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u/Stewbaby2 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

I beat them today, but they didn't die till a day later. You're gonna count that as being related to the events the day that I beat them? Fuckin libs! /s

A cop (and an Air Force veteran) died THE NEXT DAY after being sprayed with pepper spray, and suffering two strokes. Was that just a coincidence? You people will cry about the Jan sixer who was shot going through a window after the crowd was told repeatedly to stop, but a cop suffering two strokes and then dying the day after being maced was totally unrelated right?

So much for law and order, and respecting veterans. I guess the last part shouldn't be surprising given how the current administration is firing veterans who are working at the VA, and being headed by the guy who said "I like people who weren't captured". As a disabled Navy vet, I can tell you, if you're concerned about current recruitment rates, you're going to see far fewer if the new generations see that there's no infrastructure in place to help them once they get out.

But I guess if you're also not going to attribute the suicide of the Capitol police officer to the events of Jan 6, it would follow you likely don't give a shit about cops or veterans health issues.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

So now everyone just glosses over the fact that they actually beat on police. Its only bad when they kill them I guess?

Cool

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Who said that violence isn't bad? Why try to detour the conversation.

My comment was about deaths of LEO on that day specifically. If which there were were none. Contrary to what politicians, the media, and well Redditors say.

The officer that died on 1/7 died of natural causes per the medical examiner. The otherd killed themselves four and nine days after.

See my other reply.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

now who is using obfuscation?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

These users with their replies.

None of those LEO in died on J6. That's a fact.

Officer Sicknick died of natural causes on 1/7. Also a fact.

Is this not clear? If not go read my reply with the article reference.

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u/full-immersion Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Did any die on that day?

So if somebody beats you so bad it puts you in the hospital, and you die the next day, in your mind it's completely unrelated since you died the next day?

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u/gravyjackz Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Well no, in that case you're guilty. But we're talking about Trump supporters storming the capitol so that policeman they beat on that died the next day had nothing to do with it.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Where did I say anything about that? And I'm getting down voted for it. But let's review what the ME stated:

"The Capitol Police had previously said that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” The Washington medical examiner later ruled that he had died of natural causes: multiple strokes that occurred hours after Officer Sicknick’s confrontation with the mob. The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The two strokes came 8 hours after.

"..But an autopsy found no evidence that Officer Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or any internal or external injuries, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, told The Washington Post

His office said that it attributes death to natural causes when it can be ascribed to disease alone and that “if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-deaths.html

Officer Sicknick died of natural causes on Jan 7th. The other two officers killed themselves four and nine days after J6.

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

That's simply untrue.

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The two strokes came 8 hours after.

I don't know how you're missing this, but it's right there in black and white.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

I figure you'd cherry pick that. But let's review these:

"..But an autopsy found no evidence that Officer Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or any internal or external injuries, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, told The Washington Post."

His office said that it attributes death to natural causes when it can be ascribed to disease alone and that if death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”

If the ME believed Sicknick had sustained physical injuries, especially those that lead to death, they'd be described and affect the cause of death. But he still declared he died of Natural Causes (heart attacks).

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

That's simply untrue.

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u/robotcoke Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

I figure you'd cherry pick that. But let's review these:

Because that's the ONE thing that matters here. The events of that day contributed to the officers death. Period. That was literally their determination.

You're breaking it down as, "This particular part of what happened didn't solely cause the death, and this other particular part of the events didn't solely cause the death." But none of that matters if the end result was, "The events of that day contributed to the death."

Had the opposite been true, if they'd said, "The events of that day did not contribute to the death. The pepper spray caused a severe allergic reaction, massive internal injuries were suffered during the beating, but none of these contributed to the death." Then you could say the death was unrelated. But as it stands, they deemed it IS related even though those particular parts of what transpired didn't directly and solely cause the death on their own.

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u/unoriginalsin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I recall Kamala, the mainstream media, and others repeating some variation of "Law Enforcement Officers died that day" (J6).

You recall wrong. Otherwise, post your evidence. Everything is on the Internet.

inb4: No, I will not do my own your research for you.

That's simply untrue.

While it may be technically true, it's certainly not a simple truth.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

You recall wrong. Otherwise, post your evidence. Everything is in the Internet.

Is that so? Guess you missed it during the Presidential debate. 20 sec into this clip.

https://youtu.be/yaG276f0ffg?feature=shared

And at this Wisconsin rally:

https://youtu.be/NHr6yJ6o74w?feature=shared

"It is hard to overestimate the impact that the insurrection..that riot, the attack on our Capitol had on our Officers charged with defending the capital that day. One officer was killed and 140 injured.."

https://youtu.be/v94I1-N1Z68?feature=shared

And that's just a few examples. I'm sure plenty of YT clips have since been pulled. Kind of how that whole officer beaten by a fire extinguisher was redacted.

And what about Officer Sicknick's assault? Supposedly beaten but yet the released DOJ footage shows he seemed to have only been peppered sprayed.

https://youtu.be/UQAMKrmxb2w?feature=shared

Maybe that's why the autopsy did not note any physical trauma/injuries nor complications from the spray.

While it may be technically true, it's certainly not a simple truth.

It's a fact. Sicknick died on 1/7 of natural causes from strokes (not from injuries sustained, not was he murdered).

The other two officers committed suicide four and nine days later. Also a fact.

The mental gymnastics people do to refute this information is wild. I guess they expect others to do their research for them too.

Oh wait, they still down vote the truth since it doesn't go with their views.

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u/unoriginalsin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Neither of your cited quotes day what you want them to say. Nor does the medical examiner's report completely absolve the insurrectionists from culpability.

Kind of how that whole officer beaten by a fire extinguisher was redacted.

This one?

The mental gymnastics people do to refute this information is wild.

The irony of you defending these terrorists because "nObOdY DiEd oN ThAt dAy" is absolutely fucking wild.

Thank you for continuing to argue in bad faith. You are picking the smallest of nits and can't even back up your claims with accurate facts. Good day to you sir.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

If I throw a metal pipe at your head and you die the next day, does that count? Or is that obfuscation?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

My death certificate would still list the next day.

And you're aware that Officer Sicknick was not beaten by a fire extinguisher. They redacted that a month after the fact.

His autopsy listed no blunt force trauma or internal/external injuries. He died of a heart attack which occurred 8 hours after he left the Capitol building. On January 7th, a natural cause of death per the medical examiner.

The other two officers killed themselves four and nine days after J6.

But yet we still hear "LEOs died (or were killed) on January 6th".

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I was not talking about that officer.

Also, so as long as I don't kill one it's ok to attack police officers and drive a stun gun into their necks?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Did I post a reply defending the rioters or violence?

I asked how many died on that day specifically. Which is none

Asking those rhetorical questions is just dumb and distracts from the point.

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u/Appropriate-Tea-7276 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

I'm interested in your answer.

Do you think it's ok that the insurrectionists attempting to coup the US government assaulted police officers and deserved the pardons?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

That's depends on the individual's case.

Many feel they had their Constitutional Rights violated (detention, selective prosecution) or were railroaded (e.g., overcharged) be the Justice Department.

If they were, then yes a pardon would be fair to correct an injustice. Plus the majority were serving their sentences.

They pulled out all the stops for this protest/riot in which the majority were peaceful. Where was that fervor when it came to the Minneapolis, Portland, or Seattle riots (2020-22)? Those had people killed in them if people have forgotten.

I'm interested in your answer.

Do you think it's okay for Biden to give is own son a blanket pardon going back over a decade instead of using it on his actual conviction(s)?

You know, the one that preemptively absolves him of any federal crimes conducted during that period.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Hahaha! You asked a rhetorical question and then called asking them dumb and distracting. So rich.

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u/milehighmagic84 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

My point is that instead of taking a single shred of accountability for the fact that there was a coup. An insurrection. An attack on democracy. Yall want to split fucking hairs on whether or not a cop died that day.

It’s always the same. And you proved my point.

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u/Ordinary-Piano-8158 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Don't forget arson

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u/Thunderbutt77 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

No, you get hunted down and thrown in prison for doing that.

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u/davidthejap Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

And then you get pardoned

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u/Cael_of_House_Howell A literal coyote Mar 04 '25

So one side spent years in prison without a trial and the other was bailed out by politicians and faced no charges. Got it.

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u/davidthejap Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

“When I remove all of the necessary context it doesn’t sound so bad 🤪”

Some idiots attempted to throw a coup on behalf of Donald Trump by trying to prevent the election results from being formalized and then were incarcerated and awaiting trial which is very standard in the justice system, and then the very person they were committing treason for came along and released them because these people are useful idiots

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u/Littlegreenman42 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

You should probably look up the difference between jail and prison

Also, Im glad we're pretending to care about people being held in jail without trial when it happens to literally thousands of people each day

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u/carinislumpyhead97 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Well…. One side did. The other was encouraged for about a year. Let’s not pretend some things happened and some things didn’t.

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u/ScaleyFishMan Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

The BLM protests weren't spearheaded by the president, and wasn't about elections... It was about black people being unfairly treated (and murdered) by police. They didn't attempt to fucking stop a fair election from happening you absolute goofball.

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u/AntibacHeartattack Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Are you comparing an attempted coup with a country-wide wave of protests that were largely peaceful?

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u/Seath1298 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Yeah it’s the same thing in their mind, don’t ask about the electors scheme 🤷🏻

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u/rilertiley19 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

They act like they don't know about that because there's no defence of it that doesn't make you sound like an idiot. 

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u/Specific-Host606 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

Good.

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u/Excitedly_bored Monkey in Space Mar 05 '25

Ahh, so the George Floyd riots. Good to know.

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u/RianJohnsonSucksAzz Monkey in Space Mar 04 '25

You forget burn down homes, businesses, loot property, stop freeway traffic, occupy police stations, shot and murder.