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u/hanimal16 Insignificant Bitch 1d ago
I sincerely hope, with all my heart, that something happens to Mr. Paulson and it’s not covered.
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u/MoshikoKasoom 1d ago
Something tells me he's not the kind of person who needs insurance...
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u/r00minatin 1d ago
Disagree. A lot of rich people bank on insurance payouts albeit not exactly health related. The only reason why every single hurricane doesn’t seem to deter the filthy rich from building houses right in their annual foreseen paths.
But one day, the rabbit will have the gun.
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u/wraith_majestic 1d ago
someone should remind him of this when someone close to him is dying of cancer... remind him that if we didn't piss away billions keeping him and his buddies fat and rich but instead spent it on medical research... that loved one might not die.
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u/Simplisticjackie 1d ago
I hope it’s to the point where no coverage can help him.
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u/IjebumanCPA 21h ago
Maybe wish him the same fate as by Lee Atwater. I’m pretty sure he had insurance. But all the insurance in the world couldn’t help him.
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u/gbot1234 1d ago
His name was Robert Paulson.
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u/PoetryCommercial895 23h ago
Unfortunately, if it were, he would know he’s not special… that he’s not a beautiful or unique snowflake
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u/AlexandraG94 17h ago
That facial expression is perfect. The driving by looking sideways is perfect. Basically the whole GIF is perfect lol.
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u/VanillaPossible45 1d ago
a bad person using semantics to justify predatory health care oligarch capitalism.
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u/PremiumJapaneseGreen 1d ago
And trying to prove his point by accidentally describing "taxes", which yeah is a pretty damn good way to pool risk
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u/TheGothWhisperer 1d ago
I'm happy to pay taxes for my healthcare. It's good to know that when I age and inevitably develop cancer or other health problems it's not going to backrupt me or my loved ones. My country has its own share of healthcare-related corruption problems, but I'm glad that if I slip on the stairs tomorrow and break my ankle or something, I just... don't have to worry about it. I just go to the hospital and get whatever treatment I need. I don't need to weigh-up whether I really need an ambulance or surgery or anything.
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u/SunDriedToMatto 23h ago
"It's socialism"
Yeah - and so is police, fire, and just about every other public service we pay into. It's a sliding scale, but the right wing definition of socialism seems to not care about the others and only starts when people start talking about keeping the public healthy.
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u/NorthernRealmJackal 17h ago
They're corporatists posing as anarcho-capitalists. The difference is they actually benefit from the police protecting their private property. If the law and police benefited the lower class more than them, they'd cry 'socialism'.
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u/fiso17 1d ago
Biggest con is getting these smooth-brained tools to negotiate and vote against their own interests. Being able-bodied and financially secure are temporary conditions. Take that away and this guy would be begging for free healthcare.
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u/ComprehensivePin5577 1d ago
Yeah, they vote these cretins in and their benefits get taken away and they find ways to blame the other side for it. At this point in time I say leave them to their diabetes and heart disease and poor choices. They've had enough chances to better themselves or their circumstances. If all that's left to them are their bootstraps that's completely fine by me.
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u/Niarbeht 22h ago
Also, envy is when you’re paid $300 million a year, not when you’re pointing out that it’s inefficient.
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u/Unhappy_Ad_2329 23h ago
Yeah that's a smooth brain alright. Every other country in the west is decades ahead of us on this issue, but they're all wrong. I wonder which iq draining cess pool he watches -- but not really.
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u/bored-panda55 1d ago
One of the earliest vocations/callings that pretty much every single culture has had throughout history is a person or people designated to heal. Even Neanderthals had medicine people, at least suspected, i.e. Neanderthal Woman Shanidar 4/Z in Iraq.
These same AHs claim owning a gun is a human right but not the ability to be healthy.
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u/Alive-Tomatillo5303 22h ago
Well luckily if we use one the right way a few hundred times we should be able to remove roadblocks from the other.
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u/DangersoulyPassive 1d ago
Weird. In every other first world country it is. I think even Russia has free healthcare.
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u/coder7426 1d ago
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u/GeekShallInherit 1d ago
Entitlement just means the legal right to something. And legal rights are what we pass when we want to ensure the things we believe to be human rights are actually provided for.
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u/Downtown-Tomato2552 1d ago
"Legal right" does not equal "natural right" and "free to you" or " free at time of use" does not mean it had no cost.
Human right typically is associated with natural right, not legal right. Nothing can be a natural right that requires the labor of others. So health care can not be a natural right or human right like freedom of speech or liberty in general.
On the other hand anything can be a legal right even if runs contrary to a human right.
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u/Lower_Amount3373 Agree? 23h ago
"Nothing can be a natural right that requires the labor of others." That's is just your opinion. If you live in a democratic country that collects taxes, "the labour of others" is just a matter of how the budget is allocated. Every civilized country allocates some of that towards providing healthcare for its citizens.
And the right to free speech requires the labour of others. What's stopping a government official from throwing you in jail for expressing an opinion? A functioning court system that would rule that behaviour illegal, and public servants that follow the law.
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u/Downtown-Tomato2552 5h ago
If I'm in a country that collects taxes and health care is paid for with those taxes then that is a legal right, not a natural right.
We can make anything a legal right including murder. That dues not make it a natural right and often times legal rights are in conflict with natural rights.
The right to free speech requires that someone take it away from you, not that someone gives it to you. You are born with certain unalienable rights. Others are bestowed upon you thru the legal system.
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u/ohthisistoohard 19h ago
That’s an argument based on zero understanding of how a social animal behaves.
Also it show that you have no understanding of human biology, which is fundamental to any reasoning of what a “human right” could be.
Your argument suggests that “parenting” is a service because, it requires the labour of others. Humans are bore premature compared to almost every other mammal. We cannot walk, communicate, or even sit up on our own. We. Annoy fend for ourselves in anyway and must require “the services” of others to live. This is why we are a social animal, that forms a family, community and society.
So your argument isn’t about what is natural but what an authoritarian society imposes on people’s freedom to control and subdue them.
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u/Downtown-Tomato2552 5h ago
Being a parent is a choice. Parents choose to raise a child and many people choose not to fur even the children they give birth to.
People can choose to help other people. Other people can't demand they be helped.
A right is not given.
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u/PwAlreadyTaken 21h ago
I declare that healthcare is a blue right, not a down right. Blue rights are bouncy and thus I have defined it as something we are owed, so we cancel out.
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u/Robie_John 1d ago
Free doesn't make it a right.
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u/DangersoulyPassive 1d ago
We have a right that our tax dollars protect us. Part of that is available, affordable healthcare. Just like every other country provides its citizens and they consider that a right. Tough titties if you disagree.
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u/CrzyMuffinMuncher 1d ago
A service is sometimes a person chooses. Nobody chooses cancer, head trauma, strokes, to be assaulted, or contracting a deadly disease. Everyone has a right to live a healthy life and a right to receive care that preserves and maintains their life.
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u/RobertSF 1d ago
Amazing that some people still think that calling something "socialism" ends the debate.
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u/EnvironmentalFly101 1d ago
They are confused about what a "right" is.
"Rights" aren't naturally-occurring; they are conditions that we insist upon.
Work is required to see any right fulfilled.
And they must be defended against those who would deny them.
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u/HillbillyAllergy 1d ago
Given how easy it is to track down these morons, may I suggest a nice gift to the Paulson family? Let Glenn sleep on the couch for a few nights.
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u/Ramtamtama 1d ago
Your opinion on healthcare not being a human right is invalid if you think owning a gun is a human right.
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u/Avery_Thorn 1d ago
Laughing in "I wish they only took $10K away from me"...
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u/CousinsWithBenefits1 1d ago
Right like he's basically accidentally stumbled on the idea of socialized single payer Healthcare lmao. 'what if you and all your neighbors all kicked in 10k and you all got to see a doctor for no additional out of pocket, is that what you want????' yeah actually that sounds great
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u/Pxlfreaky 22h ago
Something tells me that Glenn has a forgiven PPP loan. The only people who cry “that’s socialism!” are those using it for themselves. I’d bet the $10 left in my bank account on it.
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u/GeeYayZeus 1d ago
Know what else is a service? The right to an attorney for legal protection. Just extend that to health protection.
It’s not difficult. We already do it for elders and veterans.
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u/newalias_samemaleias 1d ago
If that's the case then tax dollars need to stop being used to provide coverage to our politicians. They should try COBRA.
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u/CaffeinatedMiqote 21h ago
Healthcare is one of human rights under the broader definition of "Right to Health". Not necessarily free for everyone, but it should be affordable.
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u/Hour_Ad5398 21h ago
If healthcare is not a human right, health is not a human right either. I wonder what he thinks about that?
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u/badspark1 1d ago
I can't remember who exactly said this about Americans. Possibly Stewart Lee?
"They're the only people in the World who get angry if you offer them free healthcare".
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u/ButMomItsReddit 1d ago
Wow. Let's just let fellow people die, I guess? But I absolutely hate to say that he is right about one thing: the Constitution in the US does not list life, health, or safety as rights. We could learn from many countries that explicitly have human rights in their constitutions. Otherwise, we'll always have amoral snakes like this guy - and half of our government - claiming that life, health, or safety are privileges.
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u/thegza10304 1d ago
'We (meaning Americans)' and 'learn' don't really really go in the same sentence.
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u/mytzlplyck 1d ago
So, according to this dipshit, healthcare, security, education, water... none of those are human rights, but services we need to pay ourselves?
Why do we even need a government or pay taxes?
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u/UnluckyFriedChicken 1d ago
This guy's Facebook is interesting; Pro Trump, pro ICE, pro tariff, anti dems, so it kind of obvious he would say these things.
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u/CousinsWithBenefits1 1d ago
I like how he accidentally advocates for socialized medicine while trying to make a point that it's bad lol
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u/DeGreenster 1d ago
What a strawman of an argument. If you take away 99% of someone’s 100k salary, they will not have enough to survive. If you take away 99% of a $300 million salary, you’re still probably retired comfortably.
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u/pyggywithit 1d ago
capitalism really got these drones in suits saying this shit. really gonna spend your 80 years on this planet saying shit like 'healthcare is not a human right'.
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u/brenawyn 21h ago edited 21h ago
Virtue signaling? These mfrs and their coined catch phrases can just stfu. I mean let’s be serious here. Project 2025 and the ‘ virtuous’ Christian Nationalists claim to be doing gods work by cutting off our hands like a scene from handmaid’s tale. Ripping healthcare, robbing us of our social security, destruction of education , blatant disregard for proper justice to true criminals and blissful ignorance of climate issues, from crushing our economy to deliberately creating enemies of our long time neighbors and allies. Gtfo! I’m damn tired of ONLY protesting people!!!! If South Korea can impeach we can too. Why is no one investigating or talking about this election stolen. How much more will we sit and take???
Might I go on to rant that I am certainly not envious of said social status. I have turned down better paying jobs so I can spend more time with my kids. Stopped dating chauvinistic pompous pretentious idiots such as yourself based solely on lack of compassion humanity and integrity that is desired in a mate. Social envy no. I detest those that pick on the weak, the disenfranchised, the minorities. Thank you for shouting out what a worthless bully you are. You are so disconnected from the reality of this world that you’ve lost complete touch with humanity. Stay in your sheltered shallow glass palace and we will see how far you fall.
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u/StillLooking727 20h ago
Healthcare is most certainly a human right, as is housing and food… life, bitches, and liberty…without those you have no pursuit of happiness…
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u/Salsuero 20h ago
Glenn Paulson telling on himself. No one asked him if he's a douchebag, but he thought it was a good idea to share anyways.
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u/Drprim83 19h ago
It will come as a surprise to absolutely no-one that the company this guy works for provides services to the US healthcare industry.
His iTs sOcIaLiSm bit is pure naked self interest.
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u/Beginning_Wind9312 18h ago
So Is that why health care is so expensive in the US and so affordable or even free in Europe? 🤔
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u/MaverickCC 17h ago
It’s nowhere near free it’s just centrally managed and funded so you can’t really see what it costs. NHS is a great example.
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u/KKMcKay17 16h ago
Free at the point of service.
Free at the point of delivery.
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u/MaverickCC 15h ago
Yup it’s magic. Govt should make more things free!
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u/DrWanish 15h ago
Good point it's paid for through taxes which is a much fairer way and should prove cheaper overall assuming everyone pays their share. It's also not dependent on your employment status. The NHS in the UK is in a poor state because of, poor management, under investment in long term solutions (governments change their minds too often), social care not being integrated, private sector involvement taking profits. The model is not perfect but I'd take it over some insurance bull sh*t anytime.
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u/leaf_as_parachute 17h ago
What I'll never get with some Americans is why they don't want a government run health care.
You don't want a universal health care because you think people should be able to provide for themselves ? Alright, why not, that's an opinion that can be defended.
But why on earth do you insist for private companies to run this ? They'll do anything they can to ramp up the profit margin, which means higher cost and lower QOS for you. State can't be running everything but for something like that ? It makes sense that you let them run and balance it around no loss nor profit so you can at least get what you're paying for ? How can you advocate for this (unless it benefits you directly of course) ?
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u/MaverickCC 17h ago
Terrible take. Profit is not the enemy, poor services and bad treatments are. The way you describe it why not have the govt run everything? There no downside… except it would be miserable. ;)
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u/leaf_as_parachute 16h ago
The insurance would be state run, it would be the exact same thing than it is now except that fees would be calculated to break even instead of making a profit. It would change litteraly nothing to the care provided. I guess paying less for the same thing isn't your cup of tea ?
Obviously there are many things that the government can hardly run but this one is very simple yet vital, it's the perfect example of something that is better run by the government.
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u/DrWanish 15h ago
It doesn't have to be does it if everyone paid their share and profit is taken out of the equation. There is a place for both socialism (for the essentials of life) and capitalism (for the elective) in society and a healthy wealthy society is good for everyone especially the capitalists... Sadly the wealthy manage the agenda.
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u/Floss_tycoon 14h ago
I heard about a study that found the poor in Europe have the same health outcomes as the rich in America. Interesting if true.
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u/hurric4n5 12h ago
Why is that interesting? I would have expected we all know it's obvious by now
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u/Floss_tycoon 10h ago
It takes the cost out of the equation and defies the main argument against socialized medicine, namely, that American, for-profit healthcare, is the best possible care in the world.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 14h ago
Ok fine it's a "service". A service that people literally need to live. And if private companies are incapable of offering that to everyone, than government of the people, by the people and for people, should provide that service.
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u/Opinionsare 12h ago
The term in the US Constitution that defines the responsibility of government towards Healthcare is "General Welfare". The Legislature is required to act to improve the "General Welfare", this means that improving Healthcare is a legislative mandate.
Can you show where Capitalism is guaranteed by the Constitution?
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u/Sargentrock 8h ago
and they wonder why people are seemingly okay with them being gunned down in the street...
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u/Glittering_Cut_4094 4h ago
I live in a country where medical care is free (hospitals are public...well, technically funded by taxes). I genuinely don’t understand... what happens if a poor person has an accident? Do they just let them die? This is a real question, lol. I really don’t get how the system works.
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u/COVID19Blues 1d ago
What a scumbag.
We live in a country where, just today, I created a trust fund for my PARENTS in case they lose their Social Security, Medicare and VA benefits to Republican privatization. I would gladly give my last dollar to make sure they’re alright.
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u/Elurdin 1d ago
You are a good person. More people should care about others. It's exactly because there are egotistical people universal healthcare is hard to achieve in US and have to be constantly protected elsewhere. It's not about you. It's about families, kids, grandparents all those people who can't really work and pay for their own healthcare.
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u/quothe_the_maven 1d ago
Much like “woke,” “virtue signaling” is always a term used by those least likely to understand what it actually means.
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u/Catsokitonovo6 1d ago
The only human right is soon to be only breathing and breeding lol
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 1d ago
Sokka-Haiku by Catsokitonovo6:
The only human
Right is soon to be only
Breathing and breeding lol
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Acrobatic-Ideal9877 1d ago
Matthew 25:41–45
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41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me,e you who are cursed, into the eternal firef prepared for the devil and his angels.g 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
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u/CatCafffffe 17h ago
And by the way, it's not only a human right, from his own completely selfish point of view, it's the only way to have a strong, powerful country and economy -- to have HEALTHY citizens, as well as educated and productive.
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u/Darkstar_111 16h ago
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. Among them the rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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u/mini_cow 15h ago
You see, for people like these you don’t want bad things to happen to them. No.
It’s when their kids. Their grandkids, their close relatives. Their mistresses. It’s when those closest and dearest to them experience the hardship and they for all their wealth and power cannot deliver to them the same healthcare they bought for themselves.
That’s when it hits home.
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u/BwayEsq23 13h ago
Has Glenn never heard of taxes? Because the government took way more than $10K from me last year and I’d LOVE if it was allocated to free healthcare for people.
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u/Drprim83 13h ago
Just a reminder that healthcare is covered under article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Which the US voted to accept in 1948.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
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u/shitisrealspecific 12h ago
I hate people like that.
Until they can't get what they want or need is when they'll finally wake up.
So let's get him a brain aneurysm and let him lay out the sidewalk because his insurance is out of network.
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u/i-wear-hats 11h ago
If healthcare is not a human right then life is not a human right because you cannot live without health.
For some, it means we should endeavor to offer healthcare for all. For this guy, I propose the opposite.
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u/Sure-Ad-2465 11h ago
"National Director of Service" with the knee-jerk "It's socialism!" response... God, job titles are such bullshit
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u/Royal-Original-5977 11h ago
There's not even any such thing as healthcare. Doctors look at us as customers more than patients. They turned doctors into overqualified cashiers now. Healthcare not a human right? Healthcare isn't even real
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u/Much_Upstairs_4611 10h ago
Weird how these type of people view services as something only the private sector should profit from.
Governments, and by extention our collective interests, should promote how healthcare services that benefit its interests as well, and therefore pay for these services.
Let me explain. Governments earn money mostly through taxes, sick people don't work or don't work as much, leading to a decrease in income.
Worse yet, sick people can rapidly cause collateral costs and lost of revenu. A sick person for example might be unable to care for their kids, for their parents, and for society in general. A sick person might also be more prone to anti-social behavior etc.
In such situation, we the people, and our common interests managed through our government benefit from healthcare services even when we are not the direct beneficiary of said care.
Using the same logic as most of them wanna be libertarians use, if healthcare services are used by the government and society to benefit social cohesion, productivity, safety, and security it's only natural that they would pay for it. No?
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u/VivelaVendetta 10h ago
How I'm I as a human being not entitled to my health? What else do I even really have besides myself?
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u/Randomcentralist2a 10h ago
He's right. It's not a right. It's a service. Whis guna pay the doctors. They don't do this shit for free.
And if you really feel that why haven't you given away 1/2 your wealth to the needy.
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u/MzIncognito 9h ago
This is absurd from so many angles that I don't even know where to start. All I know is that it reinforces my hatred for LinkedIn.
That said, I see Glenn is American — which is ironic, considering the U.S., along with most countries in the world, signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That document literally states that healthcare is a human right — specifically, “the right to a standard of living adequate for health and well-being, including medical care.” This isn’t a fringe idea. It’s been international consensus since 1948.
Every wealthy country except the U.S. treats healthcare as a human right through universal systems that cover everyone. So why is the richest country in the world the only one telling its own people, “tough luck”?
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u/Nervous_Staff_7489 17h ago
Don't get the hate vibes here. He's not wrong.
Healthcare is a product, it costs money.
There is a dark side of medicine industry, insurance, and government policies, but it does not make healthcare a right, you can't have a right for free stuff, that's just not how market works.
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u/MCGaming1991 1d ago
Maybe it should be argued it should be a constitutional right, but if it’s a human right, what do we force doctors to treat people? That world sounds just as dystopian
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u/wildjackalope 1d ago
Literally every other industrialized, wealthy nation socializes the costs of medical care. Even the US (for now) does so for certain classes of citizens. It’s not about forcing doctors to do anything, it’s literally about figuring out how to provide service and pay them.
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u/Drprim83 13h ago
Also, in most countries you have the right to refuse medical treatment - you certainly do in Europe.
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u/GeekShallInherit 1d ago
what do we force doctors to treat people?
That's not how that works.
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u/Niarbeht 21h ago
To explain to the people who don’t know:
A lot of other countries hire doctors and other medical staff to work for the government. These doctors treat people. They practice medicine for the benefit of everyone in the country, and in many countries don’t charge the patients anything directly for the service provided. These same countries also have doctors who open private practices where people are free to go to pay for medical care, if they want to.
It’s not hard to figure out.
The difference between large insurance companies and government healthcare is a sudden lack of executives leeching out the money you pay in while refusing to pay for contractually-obligated services in the hopes that you’ll die before the lawsuits go anywhere.
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u/ee_72020 21h ago
Gotta love how any semblance of a civilised and healthy society is dystopian for Yanks.
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u/theturbod 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s true. Healthcare is not and cannot be a right.
You cannot have a right to what somebody else has to produce or somebody else’s labour. It contradicts the entire principle of individual rights.
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u/Elurdin 1d ago
Which is why the cost should be shouldered by a collective. To make sure that people who can't work be it children, disabled or old people have the healthcare they need. If we abandon those, what is the point of there being a society? Do we keep society or just become individuals all caring only about themselves?
You have family yes? Think about them if you'd like to see them healthy before you answer.
You are working towards a better tomorrow for yourself right? Let's do that without taking better tomorrow from those who already worked or those who will.
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u/GeekShallInherit 1d ago
The world disagrees with you. Certainly you won't find a consensus on things, but the closest we have is the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, with the US among the signatories (and Eleanor Roosevelt leading the commission that wrote it), and no country voting against it. It includes healthcare, food, and education among human rights.
Given human rights are a concept created and defined by humans, what gives you the right to dictate to the rest of the world what can and can't be considered a right? And why do you even care? Calling something a human right doesn't change anything.
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u/theturbod 13h ago
Just because lots of people think something doesn’t make it true.
Just because something is written on a piece of paper doesn’t magically render it a right.
Do you think that rights are just arbitrary concepts given to you by a piece of paper?
If nobody is there to provide healthcare services because nobody has the training or is qualifications to do this, then who do you collect this “right” from?
Having property rights means that you have to right to own something and keep it once you attain it, it does not mean that somebody else has to provide you with a home.
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u/GeekShallInherit 11h ago
Just because lots of people think something doesn’t make it true.
Just because you think something doesn't make it true, either. The definition of words and terms is, in fact, decided by humanity and popular usage. No matter how smart you are, you don't get to dictate to the rest of the world what things mean.
Do you think that rights are just arbitrary concepts given to you by a piece of paper?
I think God didn't ordain you to dictate to the entire world what rights can and can't be.
If nobody is there to provide healthcare services because nobody has the training or is qualifications to do this, then who do you collect this “right” from?
You don't. Just like without society protecting any right you don't have anything meaningful. You can think you have the right to free speech, but if society puts a bullet in your head for what you say rather than recognizing and protecting that right, it doesn't really mean much, does it?
But I'm going to end this here, because idiots like you are never willing to consider any opinion other than your own, making this a waste of time. Best of luck some day not making the world a dumber, worse place.
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u/ee_72020 21h ago
What the fuck is even that argument? You do realise that medical professionals don’t work for free in countries with free healthcare, right? The stupidity of Americans never fails to amaze me.
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u/theturbod 13h ago edited 12h ago
Lol, I do know that I am actually from Britain, a country where we supposedly have "free healthcare", it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's not "free" at all, the taxpayer pays for it. And it costs us a lot of money.
Of course doctor's don't work for free you lemon, it's paid for by taxpayers (which essentially just means it's paid for by the product of other peoples labour that's stolen by the government. There's no such thing as public money, only taxpayer's money), but if you are saying that healthcare is a right, then it means that in principle you agree that everyone should be entitled to it regardless. So the question is then, who's going to provide you with it? The doctor or the taxpayer? It's the same principle. You are demanding that other people provide you with healthcare.
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u/Taraxian 1d ago
Which is why the "principle of individual rights" is fatally flawed
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u/Frustrable_Zero 18h ago
Man probably would say people aren’t entitled to access food neither as a policy.
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u/Horrified_Tech 18h ago
Okay so healthcare is an insurance vehicle that is paid for monthly. That is usually defined as a service, esp. when you subscribe to it monthly. It is a subscription because if you do not want it, you can leave it completely by not paying for it the next month.
Someone Politely explain how a monthly paid service is a basic human right like free speech or personal liberty.
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u/ArkanZin 18h ago
Again someone who has absolutely no idea what "socialism" even means. A part of my salary actually is deducted every month to be given to people who need it (a system also known as "social security"). Yet, for some unfathomable reason, the working class still has not risen up to take back the means of production.
Besides, if we want to get technical, healthcare actually IS a human right, at least for all states that have ratified the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural rights (Art. 12 (2) d), which is 172 states out of 193 UN members.
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u/coder7426 1d ago
It's literally not a human right. It may or may not be a good idea as a government entitlement (either primary or as a last resort), but that has nothing to do with it being a right or not.
People like to label things they want as a "right", to confuse people who don't know what rights actually are ,or pretend that it's beyond debate.
Rights are restrictions you put on government. They prevent work, they don't create it. The exception is when the work to be done is created by government itself. eg, needing a defense attorney - government is placing you in that position (even if innocent), so you have a right to a lawyer.
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u/GeekShallInherit 1d ago
It's literally not a human right.
The world disagrees with you. Certainly you won't find a consensus on things, but the closest we have is the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, with the US among the signatories (and Eleanor Roosevelt leading the commission that wrote it), and no country voting against it. It includes healthcare, food, and education among human rights.
Given human rights are a concept created and defined by humans, what gives you the right to dictate to the rest of the world what can and can't be considered a right? And why do you even care? Calling something a human right doesn't change anything.
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u/Business_Job_5238 1d ago
He’s not wrong, and 100% it’s people like you who mainly virtue signal and then do nothing to help others get the very thing they believe is a human right. In this case healthcare. Instead you’re online making a reddit post about it, you’re the exact epitome of this guys argument. Sorry to be the bearer of truth but this isn’t an argument against you it’s just reality. You should spend your time and energy helping people get healthcare if YOU truly believe it’s a human right. Otherwise you don’t really believe what you claim to, and you’re just virtue signaling to feel good about yourself because you’re on a certain side of an argument that is socially acceptable but not very well thought out
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u/Elurdin 1d ago
It seems you are projecting heavily. You don't know those people at all. For all we know the person responding could be a volunteer for some hospital. There is nothing wrong with responding to people who suffer apathy and trying to make them understand. Why even call it virtue signaling? And what is wrong with virtue signaling anyway? Are virtues bad? It's same issue with people saying social justice is bad. Is it really? We should have no social justice amongst each other?
I do agree extremists of any kind are bad but I see no extremism here at all.
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u/Taraxian 1d ago
Making Reddit posts in and of itself does very little but political campaigning and organizing is absolutely how you get socialized healthcare to happen
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u/DapperGovernment4245 1d ago
Wait, Glenn are you telling me I can get healthcare for 10k a year?
Shit dude sign me the fuck up. I thought you were against it why you making it sound so appealing?