You are right but Americans are misled to believe that is socialism. Meanwhile spending most of our budget to make the military rich is ok even tho the military is pretty much the largest socialist experiment. Think free Healthcare, education, housing, sustenance, and even COLA. We just need to get our priorities right. No one batted an eye when F35s overran their budget but we somehow can't afford to take care of our own people.
you know what actually is socialism? private insurance. you pay 100 a month so someone else can go to the hospital that month. socializing the financal risk of bad luck is not a bad thing.
The problem of America when it comes to Healthcare is we have health insurance and expensive procedures. Health insurance allows companies to charge 3 Lamborghinis for a procedure that costs 600 dollars in Spain. But we allow for profit Healthcare cus we fear socialism. I wish we could educate our people to understand that access to Healthcare is a capitalist idea. People that are healthy are more productive and increase profits.
education is dangerous, it leads to all kinds of question, questions lead to changes, and then bezos will have a harder time buying the latest senator.
The military is a massive socialist experiment, but remember that they get all that crap at the expense of being literally owned by the government. Seriously. I’ve seen guys lose pay for getting bad sunburns. They were considered as “damaging government property”
Think very hard before deciding if you’d want that applied nationwide
I never had that and never heard of that. I'm on a second contract. The last contract I give. For those that were deployed to danger it makes sense they commit some sacrifice and deserve a bit more. But a great deal of us never go anywhere. A large number of soldiers never get a right shoulder patch and I'm one of those. This ride will end soon and the only sacrifice I had was that I woke up early to do exercise. I
Cmon. How many people do you have to ask for permission to leave your AOR? You’re government property dude. They own our asses until the contracts done.
Military’s great and useful for lots of things, but it’s a terrible argument for socialized healthcare. The military can and will kick you out for literally anything. Including getting fat, smoking weed, and showing up late for work. People need to understand that
Look at your ridiculous argument. The military will kick you for anything that regular employers will kick you out for. The military will keep you in their AOR unless you go on leave. Just like you would with a regular employer.
The government gives you plenty of freedom with some restrictions that are understandable.
Dude, I don’t know how long it’s been since your last normal job, but it isn’t normal to ask your company for permission to fly/drive more than 250 miles from your posting.
It isn’t normal for companies to test their employees ability to run and to fire the fat people.
Like I said. The military is great but don’t kid yourself. It’s not a normal job
That jet is a phenomenal piece of engineering but who the #$*&%! thought it was a good idea to make a single plane that's a stealthy fighter/attach/recon jet that can launch vertically and take off & land via aircraft carrier. The textbook definition of "golden sledgehammer."
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EDIT: I have high hopes for the NGAD program, Will Roper seems to have his crap together.
It's not socialism. Nothing of this is socialism. Government spending is not socialism. For fucks sake even Dwight D. "kill the commies" Eisenhower expanded social welfare. Government spending is government spending. State-ran healthcare is just that, healthcare ran as a more or less normal corporation by affiliates of the government.
Public healthcare can be both state-ran in its entirety or also simply private corporations receiving funds from the government for each person treated. Most state-ran enterprises in the western world today act as private corporations trying to cut costs while receiving the overarching goals from their respective ministries.
If government-run healthcare isn't socialism, what economic theory does it fall under? It certainly isn't capitalism.
Definition of socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Means of production, distribution and exchange regards the productive forces of society such as factories. The closest thing today would be workers' cooperatives where each person working the company also holds shares equivalent to the proportion of the workforce they embody.
Again, it most definitely falls under capitalism as the healthcare providers are effectively operating as a private company where they are reimbursed by the government, and then either reinvest or give to the state the "profit" from their expenses being less than predicted.
Essentially, nothing changes - it's literally just a corporation whose executives are appointed by the government and whose shareholders to take profit is also the government. The net effect is to redistribute the wealth that is accumulated by private persons and property to greater benefit for the lowest, while the underlying economic system remains the same.
Would you not include government as part of "the community as a whole"?
Also, we're talking about the healthcare system as a whole, not individual companies. The healthcare system as a whole wouldn't be running for profit, so wouldn't fit into the definition of capitalism.
Even in economic areas where the field as a whole is definitely socialism (eg some electric utilities), you still have the opportunity for companies to practice localized capitalism. (eg the power plants might be run by companies for profit)
Unless you think that people advocating for government-run healthcare are doing it to get a slice of the profits, and not to ensure adequate healthcare for everybody...
No I'm telling you that as a soldier i get all that. If the whole country joined the military they would have Healthcare education and even a retirement. We have money. But our priorities are not right. I never deployed and my service is simply a 9 to 5 after doing exercise in the morning. That s all I do differently from the civilians.
Maybe you got all that, but it doesn’t apply to everyone. I just finished my masters and TA only paid about 10% of it. BAS definitely doesn’t cover all food either
I live in Hawaii. You can argue Hawaii is expensive but for a low rank I am overall making 7k a month. A lot of that I threw in crypto. That made me 2M. I have a wife and a kid and I can still save a lot of that money. Healthcare has never been a worry. I have a desk job. Basically all this for sending emails and attending meetings on MS teams.
BAS doesnt have to cover everything. I spend around 800 dollars a month. Bas is maybe 300. But I get paid around 7k and it drops to 6.4k after taxes. Military is paid plenty for the amount of work we do while not on deployment. Allowances are tax free.
On top of that military wastes a lot of money. Think F35 budget overrun. Condemned buildings running AC for years. Unaccounted property that I have helped put in abandoned bunkers. America s worst problem is really that we justify the military but not taking care of our population. It's exactly what we tell North Koreans but we do. Take care of your people rather than your weapons.
Never said the pay/benefits of the military aren’t great, but saying that all those things are free for members misrepresents how it really is to people who have never been in.
It doesn't. The surgeries I had in the army would have cost an arm and a leg outside. That was free. The only reason I was able to invest and accumulate money is because the military gave me a safety net the civilian world doesnt give the people.
My point is that giving people that safety net would make our people more prosperous. You complain TA didn't cover all but civilians don't get that. They pay out of pocket. You still have your GI Bill. We have money to take care of our people. We just waste it in the military
Never complained about having to pay for most of college or that we can’t take care of people, just corrected you saying that all that stuff was free dude
Americans are misled to believe that is socialism.
the military is pretty much the largest socialist
Haha, way to prove your own point.
No the military is not socialist. Spending is from public coffers, yes, but socialism means democratic control of means of production, not "publicly funded". In the case of the military MoP are their equipment (weaponry and non-weaponry alike), bases, vehicles, communication networks, research projects, etc. Average members of the military do not have any say in how any of these things are used, or for what purpose. Just the opposite is true, the military is a very strict top-down hierarchy. It's the farthest from socialism you can get.
The military has more in common with North Korean or Cuban systems than with any system for normal people in USA. Civilians get a paycheck. Sometimes a 401k. Sometimes a company health insurance plan. So tell me again why it's our top priority to keep wasting money on the military when compared to other countries we spend like 10x more. Simply because we are misled to misplace our priorities instead of taking care of our decaying Healthcare and education systems. We should take care of our people.
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