Michigan Democratic Gov. Whitmer makes direct appeal to young men after sharp shift in election

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I can understand why people are reacting negatively to this messaging, but I can't help but think she's on to something here. As a young male, there's a lot of perception out there in the last decade or so that 'men don't matter, women are superior'.

I'm not saying that I agree with that perception, or that it's anywhere near true, but it's a valid feeling that a lot of independent and conservative young men I know tend to espouse. Most of it is the result of disinformation mixed with general disenfranchisement, but it still exists all the same. We've spent the better part of a decade or two (rightfully) focused on the underprivileged. We shouldn't let up the gas at all, but we can do this while being inclusive of young men.

What we need is (loathe as I am to agree with the GOP speaker) more than just lip-service though. I'm not a politician, so I can't even pretend to suggest what actions should be done. But if we don't do something to at least make these individuals feel heard, we'll continue to bleed any potential voters on a national level to the GOP or libertarian parties. Maybe we can start with education to help combat the disinformation that's led them to this spot, I don't know.

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u/Winter_Bid7630 Feb 28 '25

I think there's a lot of truth to this and it certainly matches what my husband hears from the men he works with. They feel strongly that Democrats and the Democratic Party want nothing to do with them.

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Feb 28 '25

Exactly! And whether or not it's true, that's the perception. Perception trumps everything in politics.

We need to put our money where our mouth is, make them feel heard and seen, without compromising the inclusive principles we've cultivated in the last 20 years. We need to show them that we can care about everybody while still meeting everybody's needs.

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u/Winter_Bid7630 Feb 28 '25

Absolutely. I also think this issue is very different in person than it is on social media. In my liberal leaning social media groups, I hear a lot of anti-white man comments. It's possible many of these comments are justified, but they tend to extend the negativity to all men. And yet, I've never heard a woman speak this way about men in person. It's unfortunate that so much of our political discussions are now taking place online, and in groups that only offer one viewpoint.

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u/Airforce32123 Age: > 10 Years Mar 01 '25

I hear a lot of anti-white man comments. It's possible many of these comments are justified,

Imagine someone saying:

"In my conservative leaning social media groups I hear a lot of anti-black comments. It's possible many of these comments are justified."

Like, even when y'all try and reach out to white men you have to do it in a backhanded way.

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u/MysticalMike2 Mar 01 '25

I feel the same sentiment you presented here. They're trying to do cognitive framing with that statement, they're not even helping.

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u/Winter_Bid7630 Feb 28 '25

I never watch TV with commercials. I'm guessing there weren't many young white men?

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u/LuminescentToad Mar 01 '25

The right has a record of successfully co-opting left-leaning themes and twisting them into caricatures of the original intent (See: “Fake news,” or “Woke.”)

This is an opportunity to do the same. Hold your nose, because you won’t like the idea at first, but…

All Lives Matter.

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u/liveprgrmclimb Mar 01 '25

The identity politics backfired majorly. I am a major DEI supporter, but as a white male even I struggle at times with the feeling I am being attacked. I am conscious enough of my biases and privileges, but you can’t expect uneducated men to be able to understand this stuff. Dems need different messaging and def not identity politics

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u/Choperello Mar 03 '25

Even educated men get tired of hearing it repeated at them non stop.

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u/Hawaiiankinetings Mar 03 '25

What identity politics missed is the chance to focus on Labor politics. If we put labor at the center of politics we encourage more solidarity and have something we can all relate too, which is we are over getting wrecked by the bosses as we struggle for a living wage.

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u/banDogsNotGuns Mar 01 '25

When November rolls around Dems love men! See: Kamala’s campaign. But every other day is anti-male messaging (especially for Asians and Whites). And it’s not even always quiet - for example the “kill all men” shit.

If there’s a place for men in the Democrat party (aside from subservient loyalty) I’ve yet to see it. I have no idea what your long-term plan was if you’re gonna alienate 49.5% of the population but I can’t see ever voting democrat with the contempt they have for me. And I don’t want to see lip service. I want palpable action that benefits men (and occasionally men ONLY) just like other groups. At the end of the day we all want to be equals but that’s not how some groups see each other.

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u/purpleplatapi Mar 01 '25

There's a difference between whatever you're reading on social media and the Democratic party. Obviously the Democratic party does not want to "kill all men". I haven't the slightest clue how you came to that conclusion. What palpable action to benefit men would you like people to undertake?

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u/MysticalMike2 Mar 01 '25

Probably because all of the talk (on both sides of the spectrum) is going to circumnavigate the trash economy and the fact that you can't work 40 hours a week and afford your food, your shelter, your gas, your savings. They'll do everything to pretend that the the draining value of a person's time that they spend working in the American economy in 2025 going down the shitter is not happening. They will obfuscate the idea that you shouldn't need loans, credit cards, cash checking agencies, all these little difficult shitty regulated things that exist to serve as a toll bridge to someone else's life, I'm willing to bet that most of our economy now is businesses that exist like this. It's a circle jerk of investiture that benefits very few people anymore hands up.

None of these politicians will have the nerve or the nuts, not a single hair on their worthless ghoul ass to talk about this stuff.

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u/Catfishashtray Feb 28 '25

We need working class politics and solidarity. We need politics and movements that address how working class people regardless of race, religion, gender or sexuality get treated and paid terribly while being the backbone of our country.

And a lot of young men in this country need to embrace that they have more in common with a trans working class person or a working class immigrant who speaks broken English than millionaire influencers and billionaire grifters.

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u/Billy_the_Burglar Feb 28 '25

As a 38(m) who was once in the age group/demographic Governor Whitmer is working to appeal to, and as a former* fiscal conservative: you're spot on. On all of that

Education is absolutely key, in particular.

However, what that means (that the powers at be haven't appeared, at least to young men/boys, to engage with in a meaningful context) is the downward trend of boys testing scores and college admissions. Boys have struggled for a while now, and bringing it up has often been met with "girls are just equalizing the playing field" or "but women have struggled for all of recorded history to have these opportunities". The latter of which is absolutely true, but does not mean that the struggles of boys should be ignored or are in any way just.

Those in power would have to take very public steps to fix this, make it clear that's what they're doing at the same time as maintaining equality for all.

What does that mean? It means research on what approaches work well for testing and understanding why they're falling behind. I imagine teachers across the country know a good deal about the reasons for this which I'm unaware of, and they should be tapped as resources.

Perhaps most importantly:

Girls/women have an emotional support network boys/men utterly lack. It's not just up to us to build that though, as the people who are the hardest on us are often the women in our lives. So, successful and repeated attempts to emotionally connect with boys must be made (as they often don't have emotional support from anyone around them except for unhealthy sources which often conditionally require "traditional masculinity" from them).

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u/hemlockhero Mar 01 '25

Can you explain what you mean by women have support networks and men do not?

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u/UnwroteNote Rochester Hills Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

I’m not addressing the OP’s post/suggestions as a whole, and without knowing your gender, I’ll say it isn't unusual for many men to coast through life without any friends. Or if they do have friends, they’re more like acquaintances or not overly supportive from an emotional standpoint.

Women are often more social, and friendships appear to form more easily. They also seem more emotionally supportive of each other.

Fixing that issue, however, is a collective issue for men to address in their interactions with each other and in how we raise our children. Rampant transphobia, homophobia, “emotions are beta,” and other general toxic rhetoric from Andrew Tate types don’t help the situation. It's a shame because, as a guy, I’ve come across dudes who seem cool to hang out with and then cart that Andrew Tate shit out or hit you with misogyny as a bonding exercise. Certainly not the type you’re going to want to open up to if you're having a shitty day.

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u/ussrowe Mar 01 '25

Education is absolutely key, in particular.

Plus college educated voters in each racial group favored Harris: https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-racial-analysis-of-2024-election-results/

So better access to education (for everyone) helps the Democrats. But the state needs money to expand access to colleges and universities. And then to treat students who fall behind, and the schools of have them, as something in need of help rather than punished.

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u/FearlessThree6 Feb 28 '25

The problem is that when the other side, ironically, has no connection to the truth, it becomes hard to dialogue. You can educate, and Trump can say, "they're lying," and even though he is statistically a huge liar himself, his base will choose to believe him.

I've taken to asking the young men that I hear expressing this what specifically they want. I haven't heard much, because most of them don't exactly know what they want, or they know that what they want is unreasonable (like taking away a woman's right to vote, etc). So they're complaining, and they're starting with things that have moral cover, like abortion and divorce, but it's just blatant misogyny. That's what they want.

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Feb 28 '25

I mean, there are certainly bad actors mixed in here, that, you are right, follow the GOP's values (or lack thereof) to the core.

But a lot of what I've heard when I ask young men what they want isn't even related to DEI, or affirmative action. Their wallets are empty. Their bank accounts are empty. They're struggling to find work.

These are challenges millions of Americans face. A lot of those men I've spoken with just want to live the American dream, just as we all wish. They've had bad information fed to them for the better part of a decade, both through news media and social media algorithms. They think DEI is to blame because that's what they've been told, day in and day out.

In reality, all they want is what we all do: a stable job, a home to live in, and not to have to worry about whether your bank account has enough money for this week's groceries.

So I guess if I had to make a suggestion, it would be to follow through (or push harder, depending on where you're standing) on 2 decade's worth of rhetoric, and actually pass things like liveable wages, universal healthcare, etc. Which... Is easier said than done, I know. But we have far more in common with your average right-leaning voter than either they or us have in common with the wealthy class currently pillaging this country and society.

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u/FearlessThree6 Feb 28 '25

I would completely agree with you from a policy standpoint. The things you listed will make life better for everyone, including young men.

However, young men don't believe those things will help. They have aligned, generally, with a party that intends to eliminate worker protections, discriminate against groups, and empower huge corporations. They think this will make their situation better, even though it categorically will not. That's why I say, a group with no connection to objective truth is hard to reason with.

It really will be interesting to see if any of them realize over the next four years that the things they were promised didn't happen, or if they will just continue the cycle of ignorance. And it will be interesting to see if we ever get a realistic chance to hold a free and fair national election again.

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u/ShillinTheVillain Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

Keep calling them dumb, I'm sure that will help.

I don't believe you've actually talked to any young men if you still can't figure this out.

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u/FearlessThree6 Feb 28 '25

Sorry you felt like I was calling them dumb. That's not what I said. And for the record, I'm a male in my early 30s, so to an extent I AM one of those folks.

Buy let me ask, what policies do you think will help young men feel heard?

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u/slabby Age: > 10 Years Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

The fact that they don't realize Trump will make the economy worse, not better? While also believing that economic concerns are their primary worry? That's pretty dumb. Contradicting your own aims and goals is pretty dumb. At some point, if you commit to dumb shit, you are being dumb. Sorry if that hurts, but there's nothing anybody can do about that now.

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u/Beavesampsonite Mar 02 '25

They fell shut out before trump and are the only group special protections are not extended to as they are the “oppressors”. It was not that long ago Robin DiAngelo was out there saying all white people are racist and privileged and everyone on the Left from Hillary to Bernie were in agreement. Only on the right were there any objections and those objecting were labeled racist by the left.

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u/ruiner8850 Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

Yeah, it seems like their major complaint is that they are no longer unquestionably on top of the food chain. They don't want equality, they want to be on top. It seems like the only way to win those people over is to start discriminating against people who they think should be below them. If Democrats decide that's the direction that they want to go, then they've lost me.

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u/Hugh-Mungus-Richard Mar 02 '25

Yeah the young men who are less likely to earn a college degree, die on the job, and make less money just want to be back on top. You have it all figured out

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u/rocsNaviars Age: > 10 Years Mar 01 '25

They’ve been stirred and simmered into an angry stew by the GOP propaganda machine their whole lives. Fox News is ALWAYS ON in the background at the break room, diner, barber shop, grammas house, etc. AM radio did a great job of filling in the blanks- in the car and while working, but now it’s podcasts. It’s anger porn now. They turn it on SO that they can be angry at something. Their brains get the happy response stimulus each time that a voice from a speaker tells them that they are better than other ppl because those ppl are evil.

They don’t have any solutions to offer you because they don’t even know what they’re angry at, because their anger was never legitimate or directed at legitimate a source.

We’re all wondering how we come back from this.

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u/Ineedavodka2019 Feb 28 '25

While I’m not directly picking on you, as a woman, I can’t understand this view. FFS I’m scared to walk to my car at night and my rights are being actively taken away. It would be great to know my daughters would be safe in the future.

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Feb 28 '25

I don't disagree with you. There's still a massive disparity between straight white men and anybody else. They're still privileged, but that doesn't mean they aren't hurting just like we are. That's why I made a point to emphasize that we can't compromise the principles we've built over the past years to do this task, but the task needs done nonetheless unless we want to continually bleed voters to the GOP. That won't help anyone.

Both can be done, but there aren't many good examples because nobody has bothered. Starting somewhere in the early 00's, Dems went all in on POC and female support (as they rightly should have). What they didn't count on is the GOP whispering in the ears of those who aren't the immediate focus (and, honestly, they probably didn't count on things going so off rails so fucking quickly)

"Look at that, the Democrats are helping them but doing nothing for you. They're the problem."

But they alienated the young men who were just becoming young adults (not literally, but in their perception) at a point when the job market and economy are at one of their worst points in the past century. Dems banked on their strategy from the last 5 decades continuing to work, and it just... Won't. They refuse to admit it, and are grasping at any reason not to change their ways, even to the direct harm of their constituents.

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u/LostprophetFLCL Feb 28 '25

See and here is an issue: Ya'll still can't seem to comprehend that something like being scared to walk alone at night is not a uniquely woman issue. I am fairly certain every fucking person feels nervous walking alone at night.

I say this as a white male in my 30's who absolutely abhores Trump and the GOP, voted for Kamala, got out and helped sign to get abortion rights on the ballot in my state (which passed!), and am in general someone who wants equality in society (which involves bringing up women and minorities way more than it does doing anything for white men like me) but I absolutely see why a lot of younger guys are frustrated as it is something I have dealt with myself.

I have struggled a shit ton in my life with different things, some of which are very much societal issues that need to be fixed, and yet while I hear over and over about other people's problems and how we need to fix them there ain't a fucking person (outside of my lovely wife) who gives two shits and is willing to even listen to the problems let alone try and DO SOMETHING to help.

Better yet is while you are sitting there losing your shit you get to deal with people constantly blabbering about your privilege and how you have it so much better than other groups. Like don't get me wrong I understand the societal issues and then I very much benefit being a white male, but it kind of doesn't help to be told that over and over while I am broke trying to make a career for myself while suffering from mental illness.

If people talked to women and minorities the way I have seen people talk down to white men who dared share they had an issue I am sure they would be rightfully dog piled on instead of encouraged like I have seen in the past.

People continue to treat young white men like fucking pariahs and then wonder how guys end up down these shitty Andrew Tate lead paths. I am lucky enough to have a good enough head on my shoulders and have SOME semblance of a support system in my life, but not all men are so lucky.

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u/Inner-Today-3693 Mar 01 '25

I’m not sure. They recently did a poll and found that many men on the right now believe women need to go back to the kitchen basically. Let me see if I can find it. It was a 20% increase.

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u/ruiner8850 Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

but it's a valid feeling that a lot of independent and conservative young men I know tend to espouse

It's not valid whatsoever because it has no basis in reality. The definition of valid is an argument or point having a sound basis in logic or fact. Their complaints have no basis in fact or reality.

That's the problem we have. As the saying goes, you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into. Somehow many white men see themselves as the the victims who are the most persecuted group of people in the country and as a white man myself that's absolutely absurd.

People who are used to privilege see equality as discrimination. It seems like the only way to get those types of people on our side is to put them back at the top. Should we go back to discriminating against women, people of color, and the LGBTQ+ community to win them over? Democrats could try that, but then they'd lose people like me.

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u/motorcity612 Feb 28 '25

So I'm curious how you plan to market make your position more appealing to people when you dismiss their concerns? Whether or not you consider those concerns valid doesn't matter here, if they feel like they aren't being heard or that their concerns are dismissed as not valid what's your plan to appeal to them?

Somehow many white men see themselves as the the victims

It's not limited to race, I'm not white and I can see why many people like myself may see appeal in the other side. Go look at the last election results, white voters actually stayed relatively steady but the democrats lost double digit percent ground with minority men in the US. The math says it's men across the board and mostly in the last election the numbers say it was mainly driven by minority men.

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u/ruiner8850 Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

So I'm curious how you plan to market make your position more appealing to people when you dismiss their concerns?

How can you address someone's concerns when they aren't based in reality? Like if someone is worried that Bigfoot is going to come kill them while they are sleeping, how are you going to convince them that isn't going to happen? You can try to explain to them that Bigfoot isn't real, but it's very difficult to prove to someone that something does not exist, especially when their entire world view has been dependent on that thing existing.

It's not limited to race, I'm not white and I can see why many people like myself may see appeal in the other side.

Okay, so somehow men in general think they are the real victims in our society. Even though we've had 59 straight presidential elections where a man has won. 73.1% of the US Congress are men. Military leadership is mostly men. A large majority of CEOs and people in leadership roles at companies are men. Their complaints aren't valid and the data and basic common sense proves it.

What exactly to you think that we should do? Put women back in the kitchens, people of color back to second class citizens, and the LGBTQ+ community back into the closet?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '25

This perception is absolute horse shit and should be pushed back on every single time someone utters it. The march toward equality across race, class, sex, and orientation does not mean that man have lost a single thing, it means the others have been afforded similar opportunities. Young men need to be called into accountability and not pandered to because pandering lead us to grievance politics that are utterly detached from material reality. It’s up to men to teach men not politicians to pander to their grievances.

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u/Special_Transition13 Feb 28 '25

As a Gen Z gay man, I tired of white conservative men seeking to always revoke my rights. All men don’t think alike. Fuck MAGA and white working class men for voting for the rapist and felon, Trump.

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u/Ok-Macaroon2170 Feb 28 '25

The people your responding to mean to sell you out. Make no mistake. These are the white moderates MLK promised didn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

ETA: I'm not sure if my app is bugging or not, but the app is making it look like I replied to the parent comment about being a gay Gen Z man. It's not - someone replied to that comment suggesting I was being disingenuous. I replied to that comment, but it seems to be gone...

Lol ok buddy guy.

I've been a staunch Ally for more than 2 decades. I've never wavered in my support of the LGBTQIA+ community, or any other wrongly marginalized group.

But at some point, we also need to recognize that what we've done the last 10 or 20 years hasn't been enough, and at least from a purely electoral standpoint, isn't working anymore.

We can't help anybody if we keep bleeding voters to misinformation and crumbling education. Fuck, Dems largely lost the Hispanic vote in 2024, even though The GOP has actively campaigned against them at every point that matters. All because the Dems thought they could keep repeating the same message they have for the last decade and just expect the minorities to follow lock-step.

The GOP's culture war is nothing but a façade for the class war they and their donors have been waging since Reagan. (Please understand, I'm not saying standing up for your rights is a culture war, or shouldn't be done. But what the GOP is waging is a culture war on their end.) They want to keep us distracted and bickering, so we don't see them pickpocketing us at every turn.

Yes, MAGA's core supporters are undeniably trash bags (and every kind of -ist you can think of). But they're a loud minority, given every platform available to espouse their bullshit - and they are given those platforms precisely to push the agenda I've listed above. Yes, the GOP politicians are, almost to a T, just as horribly trashy. But, barring the bullshit they're fed at every step of the way, we have far more in common with the everyday, non-fanatical conservative than we, or they, do with any politician or billionaire they claim to support.

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u/Busterlimes Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

Huh?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

Honestly any guy who thinks that needs to get help I'm also in the teens to mid 20's demographic and I've never felt like that. Guys who feel like that need to get professional help.

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u/Miserable_Natural Mar 06 '25

That's a winning strategy lol. "We don't care about you, your feelings are invalid, if you disagree then get professional help, but also vote for us and you're evil if you vote for Trump" lol good luck with that one. Democrats have a massive male, and especially white male voter problem, and attitudes like yours are the main reason why. Don't get me wrong, right wingers don't care about them either, but at least they pretend to, and I'm saying this as a liberal Democrat.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Not what I said at all, they do need to get therapy, it would help. The world has always been shitty, I've had my moments where I also question if anything I do is even worth doing. But voting for a party that is pushing AI to the point where many entry level jobs will be none existent won't help them feel any more or less accomplished.

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u/New_Vast_4505 Mar 01 '25

No, there is not.

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u/UngodlyPain Feb 28 '25

As another younger guy (27) yeah some of my friends are also starting to have similar sentiments, and I honestly can't fully disagree with all of it. I don't think it all justifies voting for the craziness that MAGA has brought on, but god damn a slight message shift would be nice..

Like I'm pro choice... And think a codified version of Roe v Wade would be a solid policy, there's also tons of other healthcare things I think should be changed, and that a Roe V Wade codification could just be added in.

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u/Chudpaladin Feb 28 '25

Hi, I’m a young male who’s been in both circles in the past. The feeling is that young men are left behind and forgotten for other groups. It is expected that young men would succeed on their own, but that is simply not the case. Young men are dropping out of school and falling out of college more often than before and there’s less recourses available for lower income men.

I think that democrats working on increasing visibility for minorities is a good thing as they have been disenfranchised for so long, but for some it feels like at the cost for young men without recourses. I’ve been told before that “I’m privileged” but I’ve never felt it before until I dropped out of college and explored the world a bit and saw it first hand.

Straight up, the only thing democrats can do is force more opportunities for all young people to make a livable wage. We all want a comfortable life where we do our part and get a nice house in a nice neighborhood working a good job. gen Z is seeing that being completely stripped away, and unfortunately, the GOP is better at convincing the youth that it’s different groups of minorities at fault versus greed from the rich.

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u/FLmom67 Mount Pleasant Mar 01 '25

People CHOOSE to believe propaganda because they want PRIVILEGE.

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u/Lumba Age: > 10 Years Mar 01 '25

I appreciate the effort you took to make a thoughtful comment, going out of your way to be as agreeable as possible and considerate of everyone's feelings. But dude, you are glossing over the actual, real problems that are going on in Flint and Detroit and Saginaw and elsewhere. So as a young male in Michigan yourself, if you don't realize how completely fucked you are right now, just wait ten years when half of every male classmate you grew up with is either dead, in prison, or an addict. The other half are either working 7 day mandatory overtime to make a decent living or they've moved out of state. There might be a small subset who came from good backgrounds, became engineers, and lead a good life in the suburbs. A few others who joined the military. But my dude, young men, in Michigan especially, are fucked right now. And you're afraid to say it because of the also sad reality that somebody online is going to twist your words to fit with their own perception of politics or disagree with you.

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u/34HoldOn Mar 01 '25

Yet again, the state, the country, the world must be beholden to insecure men.

I'm 40 years old. I'm not going around whining about how nobody cares about men's issues. You know who doesn't care about these issues? The "alpha males" that insecure assholes like them simp for. The club they want to be accepted by. They don't care. To them, it's all the "evil feminists and Democrats" who they hate so much who are supposedly neglecting them. We've been trying to show them that they care for a long time. Feminism for instance isn't just about "women's rights", it's about equality across genders, and including helping men with issues that specifically pertain to them. We tried to tell them that for decades, and they just shrieked about "evil Nazi feminists".

If they feel disenfranchised, it's because they never bothered or cared to listen. And here we are, being beholden because they don't want to see who the real people are trying to help them. They want to simp for the alpha males that have always hated them. They hate them far more than the Democrats supposedly do. The same kinds of people always pointed out my profile picture on Facebook being a cat, because I'm a man. And apparently that's something that matters. The same people who claim that everything is emasculating them. We're beholden to them. And here they are whining some more about how disenfranchised they are.

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u/KingJokic Mar 01 '25

same thing but for white people.

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Mar 01 '25

What do you suggest might be done, then? How does the Democratic party bridge the gap and regain their lost voters?

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u/MACHOmanJITSU Mar 01 '25

We need a new party. Democrat and liberal are swear words to half half the country. I say instead of digging out of that whole, build a new one In contrast to this dipshits chaos. A party run from the working middle instead of San Francisco and New York.

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u/SpiritOfDearborn Mar 02 '25

The Democratic Party has literally never said any of this. They have never said “men don’t matter” or “women are superior.” What they have said is that we should be focusing on equality for all, which frankly means bolstering the rights of minorities and the disenfranchised.

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u/arizonatealover Mar 02 '25

"Perception that men don't matter, women are superior"

Is it other men circulating this idea? Where have you seen evidence of this? Genuinely curious, I don't understand where this perception is coming from

All the people I've interacted with, we seem to agree we're all being oppressed by super high rent, zero jobs, groceries increasing, etc?

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u/Sin_of_the_Dark Mar 02 '25

Andrew Tate, and people like them. The alt-right pipeline is nuts - so many men "gurus" are just toxic masculinity looking for money

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u/7evenCircles Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

I internalized a lot of that misandrist messaging. It wasn't propaganda from Andrew Tate, it was from being on the pro-progressive side of Tumblr when I was a teenager. There are, miles of column space of it in spaces like that. And then I watched it jump to twitter, and then to my college campus, work, and now campaign messaging.

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u/Bymeemoomymee Feb 28 '25

As a young man, I have never thought that a political party or ideology owes me anything. I align with Democrats on their policies and morals. I will vote for them even if they don't pander to me. People like to think of politics as a team game where the side you root for must give you something in return for handing them power. I cannot understand these people. You should be voting for what people are better for EVERYONE. Literally, ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.

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u/wtfwtfwtfwtf2022 Feb 28 '25

Do you think they understand that the Republican policies are going to harm all of us?

The abortion and birth control issues are going to negatively impact men’s lives. My friend would have left her husband with 5 children under the age of 6 without safe late term abortion available.

That equals severe financial and mental hardship for the rest of that man’s life.

-unless he gives the kids up for adoption.

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u/motorcity612 Feb 28 '25

You are asking people to do something when there is no incentive for them to do anything. You mentioned that no political party owes you anything, which I agree with. I'd even go further and say the world doesn't owe anyone anything...but conversely no one owes anything to the world and conversely no one owes anything to a political party.

I cannot understand these people. You should be voting for what people are better for EVERYONE. Literally, ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.

You haven't provided an incentive to do so though, what do those people get out of that deal? Provide a reason to vote for them that actually benefits those people, and they will vote accordingly. If none is provided then don't be shocked when people have bad lives and the other side says your life is bad because of the policies by the other side, whether true or not, and vote accordingly. I'll also say that the "greater good" is not a motivating factor so the whole "what can you do for the country" thing doesn't work, what does that person owe the country?

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u/Fine_Luck_200 Mar 03 '25

Not getting robbed and killed for starters. It isn't really that hard to connect a lack of social safety nets, lack of abortion, environmental pollution, etc to crime and violence.

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u/Lazy-Industry2136 Feb 28 '25

What is wrong with that picture?!

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u/Severe-Product7352 Feb 28 '25

Maybe that she’s mid word?

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u/TheGruenTransfer Feb 28 '25

She looks like she's enjoying a fart

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u/Cleanbadroom Feb 28 '25

She looks hawt AF in that picture.

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u/thegil13 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

For real. She looks like she’s gotten replaced by a robot with Whitmer’s face stretched over it.

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u/Danominator Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

I think the main issue is economics. A lot of young men have absolutely zero upward mobility and that makes it very easy to bring them into right wing extremist movements.

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u/live4failure Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 02 '25

It’s also hard to engulf yourself in politics when you are working 60+ hours a week to provide for your family. Not much physical or mental energy to spare since it’s reserved for your loved ones or chores. Many younger men are just disassociated with politics at this point.

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u/Beeblebroxia Feb 28 '25

Sure, the main issue is economics, buuuuut....

If poor economic opportunities were the driving issue for supporting Trump, black/Native women would be his biggest supporters as they are statistically the lowest earners in the nation and have been since basically forever.

The Right specifically uses racist and sexist propaganda to cover just about any topic. No jobs? Minorities and women took them! Education is worse? They're teaching critical race theory and turning kids trans! Your city isn't safe? It's the illegals!

These "economically anxious" young men could pin the cause on anything (including actual causes like monopolization of industry and suppression of workers wages and rights), but they choose to target minorities because that's what they're being told by people they view to know better than them.

The main issue is economics, but the underlying issue is the susceptibility of humans to bigoted ideologies.

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u/motorcity612 Feb 28 '25

but they choose to target minorities because that's what they're being told by people they view to know better than them.

Trump made double digit gains with minority men and stayed relatively consistent with white voters which is why a relatively white state like Wisconsin only moved a couple percent right but states like NY, NJ, IL, CA etc... with large minority populations shifted right a lot in this past election enough for Trump to win the popular vote as well.

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u/Danominator Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

I definitely agree with that. Well said

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u/saladman7941 Mar 01 '25

You’re not wrong and I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but I want to add that for my entire adult life (I’m 26) democrats and the left have seemingly all but demonized men, and specifically straight white men. Especially as men have lost the upward mobility and economic security that previous generations had, and the only ones talking about that is republicans and conservatives I don’t get why the left can’t understand why men have fallen away from the democrat party

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u/pnbloem Mar 02 '25

Democrats haven't said or done that though...? That's what young men are being told things like DEI truly mean by those that want to sow discord. We need to stop claiming this "evil straight white male" is some sort of Democratic party policy. That's messaging is coming from the manosphere, the GOP, and grifters that profit from conflict.

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u/highroller_rob Feb 28 '25

I am a middle aged white man.

Most white men don’t know what upward mobility means.

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u/GittaFirstOfHerName Mar 01 '25

Most people don't know what upward mobility means.

We live in shit times for everyone who isn't rich.

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u/Mr-and-Mrs Feb 28 '25

Why though? It’s not like young white men have a specific oppression working against them that isn’t already applied to the entire population. Get off social media, get out into society, and work on making yourself better.

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u/Billy_the_Burglar Feb 28 '25

Okay, so here's the thing:

Young white men have been falling behind for some time in the job market. This is primarily linked to rising difficulties in k-12 which haven't been addressed. This has been a thing since I was in high school twenty years ago and has only gotten worse since then.

The main theory I've heard for why this is happening is that we live in an increasingly social-centric society (particularly in large cities) that rewards those who can best navigate it. This means a social support structure on a personal and communal level which women have, and men no longer do*. No emotional support means more stress, more difficulties connecting to personally meaningful work, and thereby no excelling or the feeling of it in anything you pursue.

Yes, young men do need to get out there.. but why would they if they don't feel like anyone gives a damn or if they can't because they had no emotional support to get through the trials and travails of schooling with decent enough grades (thereby making applying to programs impossible)?

*It's actually, ironically, argued that the 40's and 50's change to industrialization/"Dad works and Mom manages the house" meant Dads no longer raised their sons, Moms did, but Moms couldn't teach boys how to socially engage in a system with everyone because it only existed amongst the sexes so Dad's absence just destroyed that structure and led to today's issues.

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u/Mr-and-Mrs Feb 28 '25

What is your source for stating the primary issue is difficulty in K-12 schooling? You’re also talking a lot about how they “feel” and the emotional aspect of society, but these types of discussions should be based on facts and statistics. I completely disagree that “bad grades” are the root of this issue. Instead, I encourage you to research the negative impact of decades of social media and an increasing self-imposed isolation.

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u/Abbreviations-Sharp Feb 28 '25

How about starting with your first response? It was "deal with it." Nobody else gets that message when they are struggling.

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u/Danominator Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

They are specifically targeted by these groups. Race, background, and environments are factors as well.

It's the same thing as young urban minority kids getting dragged into street gangs.

It's not individual failings that cause this but a societal failure.

Also saying "just stop and get better" doesn't work at all. Like telling a depressed person to just be happy.

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u/Severe-Product7352 Feb 28 '25

Sadly you’re right. This group of people would vote for the party that still views marijuana in the same light as cocaine as opposed to the party that legalized it because of her raising the tax on it.

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u/gb187 Feb 28 '25

Funny how there are probably 200+ shops on the state line, those are all red counties.

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u/nesper Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

no party legalized it, the people of the state did from all walks of life and political parties.

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u/Funny-Puzzleheaded Feb 28 '25

Idk man

I'm not pro tax or anything but weed in Michigan is so mind bogglingly cheap I'm just not sure raising the tax would change the experience for customers much

An ounce of pot is legitimately $50 or less in Lansing

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u/Dismal-Detective-737 Feb 28 '25

People literally drive from Illinois.

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u/tripops13 Feb 28 '25

Raising the tax on marijuana to 32% will definitely help the secondary market. The secondary market doesn’t pay any taxes.

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u/Fate_BlackTide_ Feb 28 '25

Yes democrats need to convince young men that voting for Democrats will make their lives better. They also need to have a platform that will show that voting democratic will do that for them and everybody else. Otherwise the left will continue their loosing streak.

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u/wmurch4 Feb 28 '25

One election where all of the incumbents from around the world lost?

People have the memory of a gnat

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u/sn95joe84 Feb 28 '25

The gender disparity in college enrollment is as bad as it was in 1970…. Only it’s the other way around.

Shes absolutely onto something. We either care about equality, or we don’t.

Democrats need to do hard reflecting on why they lost their broad appeal. This is a terrific start and I applaud governor Whitmer!

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u/Disastrous-Drop-3516 Mar 01 '25

Been reading this thread, and the dialogue is thoughtful. What do you think about the influences of men like Joe Rogan, or the Tate brothers, and their influence on this demographic?

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u/8004612286 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

The #1 thing people want is to be heard.

Someone like Andrew Tate will go on MSNBC, ignore the interviewers question, tell the men watching that it's hard out there, that he knows that, then follows it up with a 5 minute speech about how it was gods gift to him to be a man. He's telling young men that they should be proud to be men. It's an honour to be one. Unfortunately he takes this schtick to the extreme, so you have a lot of misogyny sprinkled on top.

I think Kamala's refusal to go on Joe Rogan/Theo Von/etc had a huge contribution to how much she lost the young men vote for the same reason. These are podcasts that tailer to young men, and the democrats thought it was too risky to go on them. Doesn't make you feel heard does it?

The great irony with Joe Rogan, is that he actually publically endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2020. The reaction? So much hate from the left that news outlets would write articles about it:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51241462

I genuinely think Joe Rogan would've stayed fairly central and never dived into those COVID conspiracies had the left not had a massive attempt to cancel him the same year when he signed with Spotify.

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u/Novaghost8 Mar 01 '25

Kamala didn’t reject going on Joe Rohan’s podcast, she just didn’t want to fly over to him at his in-house studio and have a 3 hour talk. Her team agreed on the conditions he came to her and the talk was only 1 hour instead, to which he refused.

His right of course, but I want to remind people that she was not only campaigning full time but still the active vice-president, so her time was a lot more valuable than his. But I’m pretty sure he has these standards for everyone, like even Trump agreed to the 3 hour in studio interview. Not necessarily disagreeing just adding more info.

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u/Happy-Addition-9507 Feb 28 '25

I usually don't agree with her, but this is an exception. If the perception is that you are vilified by a group, then you end up not supporting that group. CIS men in general have been beaten down the last five years as a group. This drove them to Trump, who they saw a lesser evil with their interest at heart. Well, that's a big voting base, and you need their support to win.

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u/Ecstatic-Return-9778 Mar 01 '25

I made a post and then I went through and read a bunch of comments. I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. Grow the fuck up. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Isn’t that what you always say? Stop blaming women for your problems. This whole Incel misogynistic bullshit is unbelievable. You’re mediocre. Accept it. Most people are. Stop following Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate. Grow the fuck up.

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u/KingJokic Mar 01 '25

These guys need to start following the Quran

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u/SqnLdrHarvey Feb 28 '25

At 59 I am not a young man.

I come from a long line of FDR and JFK New Dealers.

I hate Donald Trump with every fibre of my being.

However...

The messages I have gotten from the Democratic Party since the 1990s are:

"You're a white, heterosexual Christian male. You're the problem. You're an oppressor. We don't want you."

"You're a Christian. You're not welcome."

"You served in the military. You're part of world domination. Go somewhere else."

Is it any wonder so many men go Republican?

I haven't, but many feel "the Dems don't want us."

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u/TheGruenTransfer Feb 28 '25

The only thing Democrats ever want is donations. They're still spaming my inbox and asking for money while the world falls to shit, and they haven't said or done anything worth a donation since Obama made a moderate amount of improvements to health care. If Bernie wasn't screwed out of the last 2 primaries we wouldn't be in this mess

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u/SqnLdrHarvey Feb 28 '25

I voted for Bernie in 2016 and 2020 primaries.

But, honestly, he would have faced a Republican Party bent as much on obstruction as Obama did.

The difference? I think Bernie would have at least tried to fight back. Obama didn't.

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u/busigirl21 Mar 01 '25

The democratic party has never said a single one of those damn things.

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u/KingJokic Mar 01 '25

You're not allowed to complain about any of that.

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u/Sparkfinger Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

☝ this

everything I struggle to put in words...

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u/SqnLdrHarvey Mar 01 '25

No, but I have had not a few rank-and-file Dems say it to me, in exactly the words I used

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u/SpiritOfDearborn Mar 02 '25

The Democratic Party has literally never said any of this.

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u/shifty_coder Age: > 10 Years Mar 05 '25

At 39, I’ve never seen this version of the Democratic Party you claim has existed since the 1990s.

The previous democratic president was cis white catholic octogenarian. WTF are you on about?

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u/mchgndr Feb 28 '25

The fact that this headline exists tells me we have a long way to go. Reeks of “please clap”

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u/Sensitive-Acadia4718 Mar 01 '25

I saw her speech and I hadn't been aware of the statistics she brought out about women buying more homes and getting more degrees than men. It does sound like there's a need to reach out to them. Feminism isn't female supremacy. It's equity.

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u/warmheart1 Mar 01 '25

As long as Whitmer is the voice of Michigan’s Democratic Party, her words will fall on deaf ears. She has spent her political career championing the rights of women, immigrants and the homeless while neglecting male voters. She assembled an administration of females in all leadership positions; none of whom made any appeal to men; young or old. She has a token male Lt. Gov…..can anybody name him?

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u/staymadbro Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

I’m not coddling a group who does and has always enjoyed an overwhelming supermajority of corporate leadership, political leadership, wealth, prominence, lack of accountability, and culprits of violence. For centuries this same group has enjoyed their supermajority at the expense of artificially oppressing other groups for advantage. “This group is falling behind in education.” Then pick up a book and study harder rather than playing video games and lamenting your lost privilege in an online incel forum. “This group feels emasculated.” Then have words of affirmation in the morning and tell yourself you are somebody. This victimization of a group who clearly has always held a supermajority of everything in society is nothing more than entitlement and artificial oppression because equality feels like oppression to this group. The engagers of most of the violence in the world. The engagers of all wars. The leaders of most countries. The leaders of most Fortune 500 companies. The concentration of most wealth. Not simply a majority, but a supermajority. Any truly oppressed group in history has always had to work twice as hard and longer because the forces at work make it impossible to achieve. That is why historically oppressed groups are excelling (i.e. women). It’s out of necessity. However, when you are given things by virtue of your dominance in a group, you have no real incentive to work harder to achieve. Despite this group being the minority in numbers it’s a supermajority in world domination. If this group wants to continue to advance, then try character development, empathy, morality, discipline, abstinence, consideration for others, nonviolence, skill development. What is it we tell women? Act like a lady, monitor your appearance, be obedient, don’t talk so much, watch what you eat and your weight, your role is to serve at the behest and pleasure of this dominant group. If you want to be better than do better.

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u/June_2022 Mar 02 '25

I have had a lot of young white men come through on an IT position in my company through the years. It pays well enough, it's a good work location (clean building, window office), the job is busy enough but not hard. And I as their semi-supervisor don't clock-watch them (As in they come in a little late, leave early? Get paid for 8 hours no matter what.) And if they need to run an errand during the day, no problem.

They don't like to be challenged, they spend too much time on their phone, and they have a bad attitude as if they should be thanked for just showing up. Some have acted so ill-mannered it was as if they've never been around humans before, let alone an office setting. The last guy was upset that he wasn't sent tickets he could easily solve. He didn't like having to do research and find a solution on his own. Lazy. The guy before him wouldn't do half the job and left piles of undone work everywhere. Lazy and he was fired. And it goes so on and on, just really mediocre humans that have severe entitlement issues that I don't run into hardly ever other groups of people, women and people of color.

I've had young white men that were excellent workers and coworkers too. They just are so few and far in between nowadays.

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u/ValkyroftheMall Feb 28 '25

The time to appeal to young men was when they were being vocal about the problems they were facing, not years later after the right had radicalizes them while everyone else was telling them to kick rocks and fix their own problems.

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u/Trombear Feb 28 '25

That was the best time, the 2nd best is always now. Saying too little too late and giving up is just abandoning them

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u/TaterTotJim Feb 28 '25

This messaging is annoying. Do something for young men.

I would say I align w a lot of the democratic messaging but feel like the party hasn’t been for me for quite some time. That’s okay, I just keep quiet and vote.

But if I was a young male I would be questioning why I would even consider the Democratic Party..

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u/Isord Ypsilanti Feb 28 '25

What does "Do something for young men." even mean? What the fuck do young men need that everybody else doesn't?

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u/DanishWonder Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

Right? I'm a 45 year old white guy and I don't think young men are singled out any more than when I was their age.

Yes, there are economic things like tuition costs and the economy or jobs. Those aren't "young man issues".

They had DEI as a buzzword, we had Affirmative Action and a lot of women's rights at their peak.

I really don't see any major things young men are facing today that we didn't already go through. The difference to me is social media is fueling their echo chamber and making them feel victimized.

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u/richardrrcc Feb 28 '25

38 year old white guy and same. I have no clue what these "experts" think the Democratic party is doing that alienates young men.

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u/DanishWonder Feb 28 '25

I should have added that it wasn't until I was maybe 25-30 years old that I really learned what white privilege meant. My first reaction was to get defensive like today's young men are. So, maybe it's just part of the maturation process to swallow your pride and realize regardless of how YOUR life is going, you have some built-in advantages that some others do not.

I can only hope Gen Z finds a way to learn this.

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u/richardrrcc Feb 28 '25

The gen-zers that I know don't act like they are owed/entitled. Maybe I just know the more mature ones.

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u/DanishWonder Mar 01 '25

The votes don't lie. GenZ men went heavy for Trump...so it does seem like you know the exceptions.

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u/dalebor Feb 28 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

In for this clarification because I’ve genuinely been trying to figure this out for a while.

Edit: thanks for the replies!

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u/Unprovocative Feb 28 '25

The one thing I can think of is helping them with education. Men have been falling further and further behind in both highschool and college.

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u/Isord Ypsilanti Feb 28 '25

That's very fair. Likely the best thing that can be done there is getting more men into teaching roles.

However I suspect a large part of the issue is parents with a "boys will be boys" mentality as well.

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u/WallaWallaWalrus Feb 28 '25

That’s true, but studies show boys are way more likely than girls to be punished than girls for the same behavior. There is a definite gender bias in how we socialize boys and girls. This is doubly true for Black boys. They’re seen as loud and disruptive. What you expect is what you get.

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u/SpiritOfDearborn Mar 02 '25

How does getting more men into teaching roles improve academic outcomes for young boys? Are you suggesting women are not fit to teach?

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u/dalebor Feb 28 '25

Noted, definitely an issue.

Why are less and less young men choosing to attend higher education? Tuition costs? Lack of prospects after college so why bother?

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u/Isord Ypsilanti Feb 28 '25

Both of those things apply to everybody so that wouldn't make much sense.

Some things I can think of specific to young boys.

Lack of male role models in education.

Parents having lower expectations for boys because "Boys will be boys."

Boys being the target of scammers and grifters like the Tates and Rogan who push the idea that you just need to grind and don't need an education.

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u/_lettuceplay Feb 28 '25

They’re just regurgitating stupid memes that keep getting shared lately

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u/GHamPlayz Feb 28 '25

Coddling mostly.

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u/TaterTotJim Feb 28 '25

Isn’t that the crux of the issue? Why have things broken down for them? I have no idea. It’s not my demographic.

Personally I wouldn’t enjoy being brow-beaten by the governor if I was in their shoes.

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u/Isord Ypsilanti Feb 28 '25

The crux of the issue is things have not broken down for them specifically, they are just being lied to. And I say that was a white man. I've never encountered a single problem in my life that was because I was a white man. It's not a thing!

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u/d_rek Feb 28 '25

The Democratic Party has been making a fairly concerted effort the last several elections to appeal to more diverse demographics and in doing so fails to market to the core voting demographic in the US: white males. If you fail to appeal, or even outright ostracize, a large percentage of voters then you should not expect to win important elections.

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u/Isord Ypsilanti Feb 28 '25

Nobody is ostracizing white men though. Some white men are just perceiving not being catered to at every moment as "ostracizing." Largely because they are being propagandized to by people like Andrew Tate, Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan.

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u/FearlessThree6 Feb 28 '25

I hear this from a growing number of young men, and I'm genuinely curious, what would you like a state or even national leader to do for young men?

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u/TaterTotJim Feb 28 '25

I would again like to preface that I am not a young man, I would consider myself more middle aged at 36. This was missed by a few people in my OP. I am good overall and have no complaints in life and am well adjusted as one can be.

There is a glaring lack of participation in society from many young men. People have theorized a lot of things. I give certain weight to “learning styles” and “socialization” but am no expert.

I don’t have an answer myself but maybe people could start talking to these guys?

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u/FearlessThree6 Feb 28 '25

I think starting the dialogue is what the governor is attempting to do, but you said her messaging was annoying and that she should actually DO something. So what is it that you suggest she do?

A lot of these young men are actively choosing to exclude themselves from society. They aren’t being forced out. So it's difficult for me to see what needs to be done. And personally, I have not heard many people advocating FOR anything, merely against something, or complaining that no one is listening to them.

I'm listening. What is needed?

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u/TaterTotJim Feb 28 '25

I think you misunderstood my point and also are putting a lot of words in my mouth. I am a middle age man, I am not who the governor is addressing and I do not feel “left out”.

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u/CoachTwisterT3 Feb 28 '25

I’d start with no longer telling men they can’t be involved in certain discussions. I get why, but it’s sure hard to advocate or ally when young men are shutdown preemptively at times.

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u/dalebor Feb 28 '25

Sure, could you give an example of such a discussion?

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u/CoachTwisterT3 Feb 28 '25

Sure. I hit most of the privilege branches on the way down the tree (straight, white, cis, male) etc and have been told to my face that nothing I say on abortion matters and I should “take my privilege somewhere else”. Even if I agree with the person who says this, am I now incentivized to assist? I’ve also been told this re: trans issues, women’s sports, and immigration. This is all anecdotal, obviously, but for someone that sits in some area of privilege I have been explicitly unwelcome coming to certain discussions. I imagine others face this and I imagine there are obstacles I can’t/don’t know. Contrast with right leaning media and what is peddled there and it’s easy to see how it happens.

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u/CoachTwisterT3 Feb 28 '25

Interesting that you just put some arguments in my mouth? The only point really to address is the incentivized comment. I agree, the true incentive to stand up or ally is to do what is right. I do live in reality though, and in reality if a person I’m defending also hits me it’s not unreasonable if I move out of the way. The WHOLE POINT is how to bring them in. Your comment and “well it’s just your problem” is exactly what is pushing young men away.

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u/thabonch Age: > 10 Years Feb 28 '25

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u/ShyGuy19945 Mar 02 '25

If young men can be so easily persuaded by internet talking heads to think they deserve a woman as if they are property and want all people of color and LGBTQ people made second class citizens again bc they can’t afford a 2 bedroom apartment then I don’t want them on our side.

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u/tearsindreams Feb 28 '25

PR stunt

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u/Devilnutz2651 Feb 28 '25

"Hey I know we blame you for a bunch of stuff, please vote for me"

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u/nerd_bucket6 Mar 02 '25

Mid 40s white guy here. What do you think any of us are being blamed for? If you don’t understand that we have had every advantage over other demographics, you’re not paying attention. White men have had a disproportionate amount of power and wealth for the entirety of the US history. Advocating for those who are underserved doesn’t hurt you.

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u/TheDark_Knight67 Mar 02 '25

The infighting cited within this article is some good honest reporting and not a fluff piece like you often see. However it’ll be intriguing how things go when looking for her replacement

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u/PrinceEmperor Allendale Mar 03 '25

It hurt my soul to salute her at Grayling, MI.

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u/nmi_bottom Mar 04 '25

As a white male and democrat I totally get it! This last election was a living embodiment of it; no out reach to young men

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u/Gfive555 Mar 04 '25

Chivalry is dead. Trump is like cancer and has infected our humanity. Infusing UFC toxic masculinity BS.

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u/maximusdescending Mar 05 '25

Gross woman.

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