r/MovieDetails • u/[deleted] • Nov 05 '19

Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone had a legitimate rivalry during the 80s. Schwarzenegger faked interest in starring in “Stop or My Mom Will Shoot” even though he knew the script was bad in order to trick Stallone into doing it instead. It worked.

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19

If you watch the documentary about Arnold’s success in body building you’ll see that he’s quite capable of machievellian strategizing

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u/Jimeee Nov 05 '19

He admitted most of Pumping Iron was scripted to make it seem more interesting. Especially the parts with Lou and "the pump".

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

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u/creep_while_u_sleep Nov 05 '19

The word you’re looking for is performance.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Both work, professor.

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u/thefoolist Nov 05 '19

So what would you say is your favorite acting movie?

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u/horsebag Nov 06 '19

Roger dodger

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u/Beercorn1 Nov 05 '19

They both "work" in the sense that we know what he's trying to say but one sounds much dumber than the other.

It's like if you're trying to talk about somebody's shoes and you refer to them as "foot coverings". Maybe we would still know what you're talking about but it wouldn't change the fact that you sound stupid for referring to shoes as "foot coverings".

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u/PicklesOverload Nov 05 '19

A better analogy is to imagine that someone refers to someone else's closed shoes as 'sandals'. We know what they mean by sandals, even though they're not strictly sandals. They're similar enough that it would be petty to not infer their meaning, even though the strict point of difference is there.

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u/Beercorn1 Nov 05 '19

That’s not really a better analogy. People use the term “sandals” frequently. They use it to specifically refer to sandals and not to closed shoes.

“Acting movie” is a term that means the same thing as “performance” but nobody ever says it because it sounds dumb. So really, my analogy is more accurate.

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u/PicklesOverload Nov 05 '19

But the difference is that 'foot coverings' is strictly correct, whereas 'sandals' is only correct by inferring what they mean. 'Acting movie', similarly to the use of 'sandals', means the same thing as 'performance' (shoes) by inference, but it doesn't actually mean the same thing.

An 'acting movie' would usually mean a movie about acting. In the original comment, the user wrote "Then it was easily Arnold's best acting movie." Again, taken strictly, this comment doesn't actually make sense because an "acting movie" of Arnold's has no clear definition in the context due to its being an inappropriate phrase. It is easy to infer that they mean "the best movie that Arnold leads as an actor", but that is not actually what they wrote (sandals).

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u/nationalisticbrit Nov 05 '19

His works better.

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u/eatsbeansreg Nov 05 '19

The word you're looking for is "satisfied"

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u/GingerBeard73 Nov 05 '19

Is that the guy he convinced to scream on stage?

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u/Soegern Nov 05 '19

No, Lou is the guy who played the Hulk. We never learned who the guy he teaches to scream was - i think it happened back in Austria too, so it's most likely not a professional.

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u/roksteddy Nov 05 '19

Cold and calculating, like a machine?

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19

More like a learning computer, I mean, if the CPU was a neural net processor.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Arnold is a machine and Stallone is like a piece of iron.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

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u/AllahJesusBuddha Nov 05 '19

One time he managed to trick sylvester stallone into doing a movie he thought was shit

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u/notsociallyakward Nov 05 '19

Fucking hell I wish I could give this gold.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Well sorry bud I can’t do much about that

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u/VindictiveJudge Nov 05 '19

Sure you can! If you give him platinum he'll have enough coins to give the other guy gold.

Seriously, I don't like this newer reward thing very much. Silver doesn't even do anything.

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u/Taucoon23 Nov 05 '19

None of them do anything.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

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u/simplisticwords Nov 05 '19

I understood that reference.

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u/fllr Nov 05 '19

I understood that reference.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Thanks Drew.

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u/Tabbibus Nov 05 '19

cue audience laughter that I've always thought makes no sense at that particular point. Also, Aisha > Drew

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u/killergazebo Nov 06 '19

Clive Anderson Über Alles

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Mornington Crescent!

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I'm sure this is a reference to something but I haven't a clue what it is.

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u/crewchief535 Nov 05 '19

They all make reddit a lot of money.

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u/PontifexVEVO Nov 05 '19

not true, gold gives you access to a subreddit full of pretentious asshats!

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u/lilbunnfoofoo Nov 05 '19

I had whatever gold gives you but I didnt get what it was and never used it. I did enjoy giving out silver awards though so maybe the awards are useful.

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u/greigames Nov 06 '19

not true, gold let's me shuffle my porn subreddits

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u/egalomon Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

This comment chain is why I fucking love reddit. Someone actually took your advice and gave the guy Platinum, then presumably he actually used it to give the other guy Gold, and you ended up with Silver even though you clearly stated your aversion of it.

And all of this because of a snarky, 0 information comeback. I love it. The only thing that would make this thing perfect where for me to get downvotes into oblivion

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u/Blue2501 Nov 05 '19

That can be arranged :p

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u/revlopez Nov 05 '19

I just did for you.

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u/Parabong Nov 05 '19

it was actually 3 movies expendables 1 2 and 3

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Ohh God🙏

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Watch “Pumping Iron”. There is footage of Arnold eating breakfast with Lou Ferrigno and his family, and the whole time Arnold is talking about how Lou shit the bed with his training and needed much more time to prepare for the Mr Olympia competition. Lou and his family have no idea how to react - they awkwardly laugh and exchange uncomfortable glances with one another - “is this guy being a massive asshole right now?” they must’ve been thinking. This all happened just days before the competition.

Earlier in the documentary Arnold talks about how even if Lou is as good as him, he will not be able to handle Arnold’s mental attacks.

The documentary ends with Arnold winning Mr Olympia for 6th time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

He was so great in that movie. "Being perfect. Its one of the hardest things you can be, you know?"

"I'm just saying Arnold, the dog at the top of the mountain isnt hungry anymore. But the dog at the bottom, hes hungry. He wants it more." ---- "Yeah, but when the dog at the top of the mountain gets hungry, the food is already right there."

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u/AmericanScum Nov 05 '19

LINK to the breakfast scene.

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u/yyhy89 Nov 05 '19

Is he smoking a joint at 11:11?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Yup

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u/palerider__ Nov 05 '19

In all fairness to Lou, he is/was pretty famous. Half the people in the world know who he is and I'm sure he has several million in the bank from investments/appearances etc - he was in the movie "I Love You Man" awhile ago and I'm sure he wasn't cheap. I'm sure Arnold came to Lou when he was buying up property in Santa Monica for seed money and they both cleaned up (I mean Lou was rich, had all the same friends).

Arnold for sure does DTV stuff, some of it not very good. They pretty much ended up in the same place.

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u/MeanGeneBelcher Nov 05 '19

Umm Arnold is worth north of $300 million. I don’t think him and Lou are in the same place

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u/palerider__ Nov 05 '19

Ok, but did you see some of the movies Arnold does to stay busy? Like the one where his daughter is a zombie, or the one where he's mad at the guy who killed his daughter. These are basically DTV projects that get rejected by Nic Cage, and then get shopped to guys like 50 Cent, Bruce Willis, and Arnold - basically guys who were popular 20 years ago.

By every metric except money, Arnold and Lou are in the same place - older athletes who have money and time to spend with their adult kids, the respect of their peers, and they're world famous. Anybody over 40 knows who Lou Ferigno is - there's a movie called the Kingdom, where the Saudi Arabian guy gives a speech about how much he loved the The Incredible Hulk growing up and that's the reason he learned English and became a cop (or something, you get the idea). Obviously Arnold is #1, but if you ask people "Who are the most famous bodybuilder/actors" they're gonna mention Arnold and Lou in the same breath.

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u/scorchorin Nov 06 '19

Arnold is a pop culture icon. The other guy not.

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u/palerider__ Nov 06 '19

Yeah, who's even heard of The Incredible Hulk

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u/scorchorin Nov 06 '19

Nobody thinks about that dude and that show when they hear The Incredible Hulk. There's been 3 other more famous actors who've played him and none of the stand alone movies are cultural icons. Now you ask some random person in a jungle in India if they know who the Terminator is and they most likely say Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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u/palerider__ Nov 06 '19

That's because you're a kid and you don't know what your talking about. The Incredible Hulk was one of the biggest TV shows of the 70s and Hulk was the second most popular Marvel character for decades until Ironman came out.

Lou Ferrigno is very famous - He's the second most famous body builder who ever lived and his Hercules movie was a box office hit that made half as much money as Terminator. It was one of Cannon Pictures biggest hits. I'm sorry, you're wrong

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u/redfoot62 Nov 05 '19

One time he was at a bodybuilding competition. It came down to him and this other bodybuilder. It was neck and neck, none of the judges could figure out who had the best body. Finally the men got to talking. “We’ve been at this forever, let’s both leave, call it a draw, and walk away champions together,” Arnold apparently said this. His opponent agreed. They both went to walk away but then Arnold turned around went back to posing and won due to “sticking it out the longest.”

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19

He was a more experienced competitor than Lou Ferrigno and in one scene, he appears to be helping him but he’s psyching him out. Don’t remember the details.

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u/zakjoestar Nov 05 '19

I believe he says that he gives the other bodybuilders that look up to him shitty advice

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

In his encyclopedia of lifting he states that he and another guy were on stage flexing and the judges couldn’t decide who should win. He turned to the other guy and was like “let’s just both leave while they decide.” The other guy started walking away and Arnold just kept flexing. He won

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u/Alexbob123 Nov 05 '19

A guy once asked him what his secret was, and he told him he does the salt diet for a month. Day one, one tablespoon, day two, two, and so on. Of course the guy tried it and got very ill.

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u/Hyperrnovva Nov 05 '19

Is that the one where he says getting ‘the pump’ is like jizzing in a woman?

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19

Cumming. But he doesn’t say IN a woman.

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u/NachoChedda24 Nov 05 '19

‘I’m cumming in the showers.. before lunch... at night... in the gym... I’m cumming everywhere all the time I’m cumming’

Something like that

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u/Bakytheryuha Nov 05 '19

Sounds like a typical day in my life.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Get too da chopaa

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u/VicarOfAstaldo Nov 05 '19

Yeah of course he was being sensationalist. He’s admitted as much that he was just saying some wild stuff. Because it is a good feeling and he wanted to say some catchy wild stuff for the camera.

Obviously he doesn’t feel like he’s orgasming when he’s working out all the time lol

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u/blacklab Nov 05 '19

that is the one. Pumping Iron.

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u/YouKnowWhatToDo80085 Nov 05 '19

Machiavellian strategizing is pretty standard stuff for a politician and look at that he was the governor.

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u/R0binSage Nov 05 '19

His mind games are on point.

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u/Phil789 Nov 05 '19

You'll also see that pumping is like cumming and it's fantastic

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u/tigerscomeatnight Nov 05 '19

"Now the first rule in the crisis situation, you negotiate first.."

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u/tomviky Nov 05 '19

Is that political way of saying he was Ahole?

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u/Placeholder0485 Nov 05 '19

“Machiavellian” I see you’re man of culture as well

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

I’m a man who can’t spell apparently

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u/SmegLiff Nov 05 '19

it literally is machiavellian

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u/uninsane Nov 05 '19

I mean to put can’t spell! Edited!