God bless good ol' US of A. Land of the "Doctor who believes demon spouses cause major illnesses recommends hydroxychloroquine to cure COVID-19". "Doctor" Stella Immanuel, for anyone that recognizes the description. Last I checked, she still has an active private medical practice in Texas.
And she shouldn't be. Not only because she's a dumbass, but the very book she claims to believe in rules her out of the job. She's stupid and a hypocrite.
Aren’t all these actresses? Or are we assuming here that if they ever played a role of a scientist in a B-rated movie, there are actual scientists??? 😂
And he still does the rounds, giving talks and presentations. In a few cases, preventable infectious diseases saw localised increases after he rolled through.
And we can't forget the far-reaching effects of his lies - the drop in MMR rates in the UK due to his "study" was a major factor in the Swansea measles outbreak in the 2010s.
Was that directly brought to the table during this Q/A session? I hope someone speaks on behalf of the dead kids and makes him own their death. The sun dried walking skin scab should not be making decisions for anyone, ‘cept for the orange crusts kids of course.
The death in Swansea was a 25 year old man, but there was over 1,200 cases in Swansea and surrounding towns, out of something like 1,500 in all of Wales over the same period.
Edit: to answer your question, I don't know if the statistics were discussed in the Q&A session. I don't know the Bobby Kennedy Jr. hearings, I just know some of the stats and incidents around Wakefield and the anti-vaxx movement (tangentially-related to Wakefield and his falsified study etc., the earliest anti-vaccine movement I know of was also in England).
And folks don't get how contagious it is, on top of how dangerous it is. It's a rough estimate, but I remember a doctor saying it's one of those things that, if one person in a group has measles, they'll probably infect 9 out of 10 unvaccinated people in that group. Needing a 95% vaccination rate for herd immunity isn't a moonshot. It's a requirement for something that spreads that well.
Yes! I only recently learned about immune system amnesia from measles. So scary. I feel like way more people need to know about this. Like, if there was some sort of PSA campaign. It wouldn’t change the minds of every vaccine hesitant parent, but wouldn’t it be worth it if it changed even some minds?
Back in the day, whenever a child got Chicken Pox, the mom would call ALL of the neighborhood moms and tell them. Then those moms would grab their children and take them by to “visit” the Chicken Pox child to expose them. My ENTIRE neighborhood got the Chicken Pox the very same week. No joke.
Before there was an effective vaccine, that was actually a rational strategy.
Kids usually handle it better than adults. So making sure all the kids nearby get it, when the adults are able to be prepared to take care of them, actually worked to create a basic level of herd immunity and prevent infection in older adults who would be likely to have more severe effects.
Now that there is a good vaccine, however, that sort of thing isn’t necessary.
Vaccines are, in a way, responsible for anti-vaccine sentiment by creating a world so free of major infectious diseases that people aren't properly scared of them.
Even if vaccines did increase the risk of autism: if you explained what autism was to someone from the 18th century, and told them they could prevent their children from getting measles (or smallpox!) through a vaccine, but they shouldn't, because it had a chance of making their children autistic, they'd look at you like you were a fool.
After all, before vaccines, variolation protected against major smallpox infection by making you ill and potentially even killing you... and people willingly paid to go through it.
Measles is also much more dangerous to adults than children. Some of the first wave of unvaccinated kids are adults now, a measles outbreak will have some grim results.
As it happens, in this case, the "study" was literally funded by a corrupt lawyer called Richard Barr, who realised how much lawsuit money there would be to be made if it turned out vaccines did cause autism, so he basically hired Andrew Wakefield to do a bullshit study that could be used as evidence if it ever went to court. If you haven't seen Hbomberguy's excellent video on the topic yet then you should absolutely check it out.
So some greedy lawyer found a greedy doctor and ever since then huge population is quoting that falsified study because it aligns with their ideology ... sometimes I tend to agree with China's capital punishment for serious crimes.
Oh absolutely those two should be put to death. It should be a pain full slow death and televised. Then a psa about what they did and how vaccines are completely safe.
RFK makes money with the lawsuits. That's why you also see so much misinformation about nutrition. I was wondering who spends so much time spreading elaborate lies and its these people.
It started before that with Wakefield. Wakefield had claimed other vaccines caused various serious illnesses/injuries. Why? In each and every case,‘he held a patent for another version of the vaccine he was against. He claimed MMR took “too many doses”, because he had an MMR vaccine that required less doses. Guy has been grifting for decades and found a very lucrative grift with these people.
For Andrew Wakefield it was started because this lawyer (alongside a then tiny group of anti-vaxxers) thought a class action lawsuit against vaccines would be lucrative and so he paid a doctor to find a correlation between vaccines and autism
It's a failure of modern law when some one can spread actual misinformation leading to death of potentially millions while that person faces no consequences.
It's crazy to me that if I went into a movie theater and yelled "fire" only to then have someone die in the crush to get outside I could get in serious legal/criminal trouble, but if I go on YouTube and start a channel about how vaccination is wrong and evil and someone's child dies of a preventable illness that's totally fine
There’s actually no legal precedent for yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. That saying comes from a Supreme Court case upholding a conviction of someone protesting the WWI-era draft, with the saying used to describe the protest.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. delivered the classic statement of the "clear and present danger" test in Schenck v. United States (1919): “The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree. When a nation is at war many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight, and that no court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right.”
Just so we’re clear, that “clear and present danger” Holmes is describing is protesting the draft for the war because only those who actively want to fight in the war should be the ones fighting in the war. Does that seem like a danger to you at all, let alone a clear and present one?
It seems like you're suggesting that the act of protesting military conscription does not inherently create a clear and present danger — and if you are, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. I think Holmes came up with the incorrect answer to his own question in Schenck. But the question itself—the "clear and present danger" test that Holmes proposed and that has been used (and qualified) in a number of significant cases since then—certainly originated in that decision.
Couldn't they have picked Tylenol? We love grifters in this country. If you said the common cold could be cured by waterboarding, but call it forceful sinus and laryngeal irrigation, and people would buy it up in droves because it is a simple solution to a problem we are told is more complicated than being congested with mucus. They don't want complicity, they want everything to be simple so that the solutions are comprehendible to them. Not every solution is simple, and that fact is the thing they hate most.
And unfortunately there have been some things that are complex and society picked the wrong thing to back. Like phenylephrine in cold medicine being found to not do anything. We didn't pick the wrong thing because it is ultimately a simple solution. But people see that as evidence that things are complicated when they don't need to be. But a simple solution isn't the more likely solution just because it is apparent.
I have no idea about the MMR controversy, I have the mark on my shoulder , and have seen may cases of all 3 measles , mumps and rubella. In India people used to worship it ... well in any case now we have knowledge and know what it is and how to protect from it.
My father is a Pediatrician and he always rants about how biased people are when it comes to medicine. I have seen some extreme rare cases of side effects from vaccines, at the end of day they are potent, but they are inherently present in every medicine and none , not a single one resulted in autism.
It baffles me how such an occupation like Chiropractors are even legal, I first found that they are a thing a decade ago on this same platform and at first I though no way this is real. Apparently only in US, it's same as homeopathy we have in India.
Big pharma have undeniably done some illegal stuff and probably gets away with lots of it even today but we have better standards now a days.
I just hope people can embrace the truth instead of fearmongering, we can do so much better.
It baffles me how such an occupation like Chiropractors are even legal, I first found that they are a thing a decade ago on this same platform and at first I though no way this is real. Apparently only in US, it's same as homeopathy we have in India.
Money and greed. They have zero medical training, but they have strong unions and lobbyists. In many state they can even say they are Doctors, but Physical Therapists who have doctorate degrees cannot.
How did they get accepted as more than just homeopathic quacks? Insurance companies. For a long time insurance companies wouldn't pay for them. Then they realized that instead of paying for a surgery that a customer needs, they can send them to a chiropractor 20 times a year to get adjusted and never have to pay a dime because the customer won't hit their deductible. Repeat this process until the customer is dead.
Sadly, parents who are finding it difficult to cope with their autistic kids, and would feel better demanding support for it if it wasn't natural, but was done to them by someone else they can get compensation from.
So people with hardly any resources and support put effort into supporting other people claiming false things about their kids.
As it happens, the "gluten causes autism" people eventually cooled down and found out "autistic people can find it harder to deal with stomach issues, so paying particular attention to their diet can be beneficial", so looking for external causes isn't always bad, if you recognise you have an autistic kid and just look at sorting out their environment to make them more comfortable, but the paranoia about vaccines seems a waste of that energy, given the repeated investigation that has been done.
The richest billionaires in the world are all buddy buddy and the richest of them all has been walking around like he's the president, is this a real question?
Every tool and wank that has been caught out, proven to be a lying fuck conman or is just so unbearably fragile while still making 'jokes' at the expense of others from the UK seems to move to America and be super successful.
Mind you, even you lot couldn't put up with Piers Morgan for long so maybe you're not completely daft :p
No, no we are pretty “daft” as you put it. I can’t put a solid finger as to why we are the way we are. Lack of funding education might be part of it but that doesn’t explain everything.
One of my best friends wife is a crazy Christian anti vaxxer. They lived in Canada their whole lives but moved to the States to be with the crazy people.
Can we all take a second to pause and ingest this.
This man, with basically no skills because the one thing he should have (his license) was rescinded due to fraud was allowed to immigrate to the US. But we are actively coming after people with REAL skills to send them back or denying new applicants.
And if I remember correctly has talked to small immigrant communities to promote vaccine fearmongering which caused those communities to have small epidemics years later because they didn’t have vaccinations for their kids
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u/MacRoach86 Jan 31 '25
Yep and then moved to America.