I’ve been saying this since before the election happened that the goal of all his talk of tariffs is an era of isolation for the U.S. through a version of globalization written out in Project 2025 by the investment firm Cantor Fitzgerald and Peter Thiel the main partner in Palantir. Tariffs, threats of military action against Panama Canal/Canada/Greenland are bluffs to allow specific American companies to get a better hold in those countries for resources or transportation.
The threats against Panama Canal stopped literally when BlackRock Inc. bough for $23 billion 2 of the 4 ports in the Canal and over 40 ports throughout 20+ countries. The threats against Greenland will stop when the same happens and acquiring Canada is very much real in the way the current relationship between Denmark owns Greenland.
While all that happens the dismantling of the federal government, the services it provides and the bureaucracy that exists to ensure all that wealth isn’t abused. This is why Palantir (Peter Thiel’s company which is the 2nd biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA and the U.S. military along with the UK and Norway) found Elon Musk his kids and adult DOGE teams. The goal is to privatize everything in the U.S. so the government is no longer held responsible by Congress or the judicial branch. First defund the agencies and services to make them useless and make Americans angry then give an out by privatizing it all.
It’s written in Project 2025 the goal is to sell off all the property from the Post Office/take the money from the pensions and leave the debt for the American taxpayers, defund the IRS so no one goes after the rich, sell off all federal lands including national parks to allow for drilling and mining for oil and metals. For those saying they don’t have the power to do it, they do because no branch will stop them.
The tariffs are targeted for specific types of manufacturing that Cantor Fitzgerald and Peter Thiel want happening here while the rest of the products are being ignored. The point of all this to create manufacturing that focuses on using all those metals for making more tech like low orbit satellites (over 7000 thrown into low orbit in the last 2 years with thousands more planned for the next few years) for SpaceX for Starlink and Starshield. The long term goal is for Starlink to be the sole isp provider (Starlink has already partnered with TMobile). When they control the flow of internet they control what you see on it. This is why Elon’s adult doge team at the FAA is still trying to cancel the contract with Verizon and give it Starlink. This is why temporarily the DOGE team had hard physical access to all the federal agencies whose information they want to retain and become the replacement for those agencies like dept of education/USDA/NOAA/SSA and the IRS. This is why Amanda Scales who is an employee of Elon’s went over to OPM week one of Trump becoming president and setup a private server hosted in a foreign country to help facilitate the flow of all the data they wanted to copy and store.
A few things are happening on September 30 of this year. The 6 month gap bill to fund the government ends, the deferred retirement program finally kicks in and at the very same time Elon has promised new code for the Social Security Administration will be written to replace the old. The government will either be allowed to shutdown or the new funding bill will not only gut the folks the who accepted the retirement plan by affecting their pensions or even worse. The code would take years to ensure security and stability but Elon wants to use his AI company and Palantir to rewrite the code in months.
While all this happens while agencies are being shutdown so that there less obstacles in their way what they want is autocratic control and most importantly Trump is only a puppet and will be thrown aside when he is no longer useful. That sounds good but his replacement will be Vance.
The tech oligarchs (Peter Thiel and Elon Musk) took power with the help of investment firms like Cantor Fitzgerald (Cantor’s chairman is Lutnik now commerce secretary so Lutnik made his son the new chairman) who enabled and supported Russ Vought (head of Office of Budget Management) to write Project 2025. Peter Thiel born in West Germany, brought up in a South African town that at the time was a supporter of Nazism. He is a Christian nationalist that believe women shouldn’t vote, follower of Curtis Yarvin’s philosophy of replacing democracy and believer of scapegoat mechanism for which he says Trump fits the role (make things so bad and have it blamed on one person so when that person is removed the masses believe the problems are gone)
Solid write up. I’m a never trumper and I argue with trumpy people all the time. I am however, a massive supporter of Palantir. I believe their leadership has pushed back against Thiel and supported the blue, and I think they will have a positive effect on our government. They already have, but I am in favor of that expanding. Do you see that as incongruous with a despise for Trump and P2025? I think Palantir is catching strays here.
Have you worked with Palantir? Have you read Karp’s book? Look up his political donations for the last election. Do you have an issue with Palantir’s tech? Which part?
I'm not going to sit here and write an entire essay or collect all information, it's not worth my time. But if you think anyone working there has any form empathy or ethical responsibility, you are delusional. Anything touched by Thiel should be completely destroyed. Karp's political donations mean absolutely fucking nothing when he can tolerate to even be in the same room as Thiel without seething. It's all for show.
I read each article and the forum post. Quite dated, but point taken. The law enforcement and immigration work is problematic, to say the absolute least. I agree. That one sentence about “anything touched by thiel should be completely destroyed” I believe clouds your judgement. I mean no disrespect to your judgement, just that I disagree, and I think there are many products thiel has touched that have had a positive impact on the world. It’s just too blanketed a statement. My bias is that I am pro west, pro America. I hate that we’re such a dumb country at the moment and it’s hard for me to separate us from the current admin and its supporters, but I still think Palantir has a place in our DoD and commercial sector. I disagree that anyone working there has no empathy or ethics. I remain open to changing that position and thanks for the response with sources.
Fuck thiel, was that not clear? I like Palantir though. I was curious if I was missing something important but I think I’m clear. They’ve been involved in some tough things I mentioned but I think the company is net good. In a world with China and Russia and saudis and Israel and Iran, I’m happy Palantir exists.
Endorsing all the possible options, it’s what you do with money.
Karp is so left that he has condemned “woke” ways of thinking, calling woke a central risk to Palantir, that Palantir is a counter-example to companies he considers woke.
Dems have helped the defense industry just as much as the right if not more under certain years so why not support Harris a former prosecutor.
Karp is so left that he condemned pro-Palestine protests calling them an infection inside of our society, he remarked the peace activists are war activists and they should be sent to North Korea.
Karp is so left and open minded that he has said the west has a superior way of living and said he supports Palantir contract with ICE and using the software to enable separation of families.
Thiel directly own roughly 180 million publicly traded shares which 7%. His investment firm Rivendell 7 owns 34 million publicly traded shares. Other Thiel vehicles own 37 million shares. Thiel entities also own 32.5 million supervoting Class B shares in Palantir. Those class b shares carry 10 votes while public ones carry only 1 vote per share. Now here is the kicker for why he still controls Palantir (link below), Thiel has sole investment power over 335,000 class F shares as part of a trust that has 49.99% voting interest in the company.
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u/savpunk 1d ago
We were laughing about this on Blue Sky yesterday. “Man of honor,” my foot. He knows he can’t escape the screenshots.