r/bayarea • u/Front-Resident-5554 • 1d ago

Politics & Local Crime California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago

It’s time for California to put secession on the ballot again. Pacific Rim Alliance, California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii. Maybe we can join Canada as a province l.

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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago

Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I ride hard for Ca and always will. I love my state. But we can’t secede, for a million reasons, least of which we need 2/3 congressional approval.

We also would be an island unto ourselves. Ca military isn’t enough to fight against the rest of the nation or our enemies.

We wouldn’t have a currency.

Nations would have to decide to trade with us or the rest of the nation.

I want Ca to thrive always, every day. I want Ca to explode with success in the face of Trump’s harebrained ideas. But we’re not leaving.

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u/jim_uses_CAPS 1d ago

What if we promised to take in all the Ls, Gs, Bs, and especially Ts? We'll let them keep Elon.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

We wouldn’t have to fight should we do a referendum. Our currency could be the be the dollar, like other countries in the Americas. We should still put it up for a vote no matter the outcome

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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago

We have the pacific on one side and the entire nation we just left on the other. We would be extremely vulnerable.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

Vulnerable to what? Invasion? This isn’t the 19th century. It shouldn’t be a violent action on California’s part, purely symbolic and peaceful. A call for liberty should be made as a symbol of resistance. Let the republicans say they “want” California to stay, for all the trash they speak about it

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u/Hyndis 1d ago

Water is the big one.

Southern California relies on the Colorado river. If the state border becomes a national border, and its a hostile national border, the entire southern half of the state might no longer have access to water anymore.

Electricity is another big issue. The state imports electricity often times, and if it can't import electricity when the state's power plants are unable to produce sufficient electricity the lights won't stay on.

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u/theholyraptor 1d ago

Think of how much more energy storage we can install if we aren't sending our tax dollars to red states.

Water is a screwed issue regardless of secession and large investment and changes need to happen.

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u/SailingBacterium San Leandro 1d ago

You just convince the red morons to "get rid of" California and everyone walks away peacefully. Trade could still happen. I mean they'd need access to California ports to import crap from China.

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

It would likely be met with an immediate and violent response from the Union. No Fort Sumter standoff, no waiting for McClellan to train up his troops. I would expect air strikes in the Bay Area within days.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

You’re being hyperbolic. This isn’t the 1860’s

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u/sjphilsphan 1d ago

You expect the federal government to just be ok bye?? You're naive

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

Where were the bombings on J6? And that was a violent affair

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

California seceding would be orders of magnitude more serious than J6.

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

Exactly. It would be far worse.

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u/73810 1d ago

States aren't allowed to secede unilaterally.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

I get that. I’m saying as a statement, allow the vote.

It’s a start. We can look across the pond to similar movements in Catalonia and Scotland

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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago

There’s plenty of time for things to get way worse and the political will to be there

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u/wikedsmaht 1d ago

2/3 of the country (and their elected representatives) fucking haaaaaateee us and dance in the streets when we suffer natural disasters. I sincerely believe reaching a 2/3 majority would be no obstacle. Yes they’d absolutely suffer the economic consequences, but they seem to like that sort of BDSM if it means owning the libs

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u/73810 1d ago edited 1d ago

About 40% of voters in CA voted for Trump, I think you'd have a hard time just getting to 50% of Californians supporting succession.

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u/Yourewrongtoo 1d ago

What if we made skynet to solve that problem?

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 1d ago

Yea you right

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u/GumbyCA 1d ago

Let’s devolve then

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u/high_capacity_anus Not Livermore 1d ago

Reject humanity. Embrace monke

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u/GumbyCA 1d ago

Devolution is the statutory delegation of powers from the central government of a sovereign state to govern at a subnational level, such as a regional or local level.[1] It is a form of administrative decentralization.

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u/TripleBanEvasion 1d ago

Why are you parroting common Russian and CCP talking points? Fragmentation of the US is what they want.

Fix the rot and remain whole

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u/Yourewrongtoo 1d ago

How do you break people of being brainwashed? You can want people to wake up, the constitution to have changes made to prevent this but can we realistically do this? Can you have a state like California when the Republican Party seeks to disproportionately defund our priorities and attack us at every turn?

I get that you think this is what our enemies want but let’s set aside the outside world, how does a blue state function in a system this dysfunctional? Send Trump to The Hague? Have a civil war? The system needs to have fundamental alterations to get back to the rule of law and 1/4 of the country believes the democrats have a secret weather machine.

I don’t think the democrats regaining power temporarily can fix the issues in the US, one side clearly is fascist and is willing to bow to a king.

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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago

Chance to fix was last November. When you have loss of due process and freedom of speech and rule of law you aren’t in a business as usual situation. I love America but what it happening right now ain’t it friend

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u/TripleBanEvasion 1d ago

Nyet comrade

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u/zuckjeet 1d ago

I sometimes wonder if I'm talking to literal Kremlobots. One of these was advocating for the destruction of the entire American car industry and just letting in cheap Chinese made EVs with no trade protection whatsoever. Either it's Reddit brainrot or Russian/Chinese agitprop.

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u/eng2016a 1d ago

America was never meant to be a single nation, we are too dissimilar to other parts of the country. This country is really more like 4 or 5 countries smashed together

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u/IHateLayovers 1d ago

No. Singapore showed exactly how it's done. Cut off the unproductive parts and let them live a fraction of your quality of life while they do all the low value stuff. City state mercantilism. Today Singapore's GDP per capita is 8x Malaysia's.

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u/casino_r0yale 1d ago

Fuck that, keep our tax revenue here instead of sending it to the goons in Washington. NCR!

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u/360walkaway 1d ago

Suddenly, Russian forces invade the Pac Rim and it is totally overrun.

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u/haltingpoint 1d ago

Stop pushing this Russian active measures point.

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u/peepeedog 1d ago

OK Putin