r/bayarea • u/Front-Resident-5554 • 1d ago

Politics & Local Crime California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 1d ago

It’s time for California to put secession on the ballot again. Pacific Rim Alliance, California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii. Maybe we can join Canada as a province l.

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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago

Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I ride hard for Ca and always will. I love my state. But we can’t secede, for a million reasons, least of which we need 2/3 congressional approval.

We also would be an island unto ourselves. Ca military isn’t enough to fight against the rest of the nation or our enemies.

We wouldn’t have a currency.

Nations would have to decide to trade with us or the rest of the nation.

I want Ca to thrive always, every day. I want Ca to explode with success in the face of Trump’s harebrained ideas. But we’re not leaving.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

We wouldn’t have to fight should we do a referendum. Our currency could be the be the dollar, like other countries in the Americas. We should still put it up for a vote no matter the outcome

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u/bionicfeetgrl 1d ago

We have the pacific on one side and the entire nation we just left on the other. We would be extremely vulnerable.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

Vulnerable to what? Invasion? This isn’t the 19th century. It shouldn’t be a violent action on California’s part, purely symbolic and peaceful. A call for liberty should be made as a symbol of resistance. Let the republicans say they “want” California to stay, for all the trash they speak about it

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u/Hyndis 1d ago

Water is the big one.

Southern California relies on the Colorado river. If the state border becomes a national border, and its a hostile national border, the entire southern half of the state might no longer have access to water anymore.

Electricity is another big issue. The state imports electricity often times, and if it can't import electricity when the state's power plants are unable to produce sufficient electricity the lights won't stay on.

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u/theholyraptor 1d ago

Think of how much more energy storage we can install if we aren't sending our tax dollars to red states.

Water is a screwed issue regardless of secession and large investment and changes need to happen.

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u/SailingBacterium San Leandro 1d ago

You just convince the red morons to "get rid of" California and everyone walks away peacefully. Trade could still happen. I mean they'd need access to California ports to import crap from China.

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

It would likely be met with an immediate and violent response from the Union. No Fort Sumter standoff, no waiting for McClellan to train up his troops. I would expect air strikes in the Bay Area within days.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

You’re being hyperbolic. This isn’t the 1860’s

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u/sjphilsphan 1d ago

You expect the federal government to just be ok bye?? You're naive

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u/HappilyDisengaged 1d ago

Where were the bombings on J6? And that was a violent affair

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

California seceding would be orders of magnitude more serious than J6.

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u/HappilyDisengaged 20h ago

A symbolic vote vs violently attacking the capitol is worse?

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 19h ago

Secession is not a symbolic vote.

If you want a referendum on leaving, fine, but I wouldn't support it. Not worth the cost to get it on the ballot.

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u/SharkSymphony Alameda 1d ago

Exactly. It would be far worse.