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The Arab Spring is more responsible for that than NATO.

Are you suggesting that ISIS would have torn apart Libya without NATOs help or are you pretending NATO didn't help ISIS tear apart Libya?

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I don't quite understand the question you're making, could you elaborate further on how ISIS and NATO worked together so I can better answer your question?

EDIT: Libya's civil war occurred in 2011, ISIS didn't show up until 2014.

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NATO backed ISIS - the popular uprising was largely ISIS.

After NATO helped ISIS destroy Libya NATO helped ISIS continue their destruction in Syria.

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So you're telling me that the Arab Spring was always ISIS? I think that's a pretty bold claim, do you have anything concrete?

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You and I both know that NATO fights progressive rebels while funding, arming, and training far-right rebels.

The progressives were coated with American teargas while the fascists were given guns, money, and a market for their oil.

So no, the Arab Spring wasn't all ISIS - but the elements supported by NATO nations were always far-right extremists.

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I think you're making some assumptions and bold statements here.

Do you have anything concrete on ISIS and NATO collaboration in Libya? As I am aware there have been quite a few missions directly against ISIS such as Operation IMPACT which doesn't really work with this narrative you're presenting.

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I think you're making some assumptions and bold statements here.

About what? NATO being a fascist state-terrorist network that doesn't "do good"?

which doesn't really work with this narrative you're presenting.

The entire history of NATO doesn't jive with the "help the people" narrative that mainstream media and yourself have presented, does it?

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Could you please provide some concrete points to your bold claim that NATO and ISIS worked together?

EDIT: Oh you edited that part out I was replying to. Bit of a memory hole, eh?

I'd prefer if we stay on topic, I haven't presented some mainstream narrative. Bombing ISIS would be counter-productive to their supposed collaboration. I believe Operation IMPACT and Operation Inherent Resolve are two of the big ones.

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Who was NATO helping in Syria? Rebels aligned with ISIS?

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"B-52s flew approximately 1,800 combat sorties against ISIS forces in Syria and Iraq" That seems a bit counter productive when it comes to helping ISIS, around 1800 times counter productive.

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They worked with ISIL/ISIS/precursor to overthrow Libya because Libya was presenting a viable option away from American/NATO neoliberal/fascist colonialism.

They didn't work with them because they want to give them hugs and kisses but because they are all violent pigs with similar enemies.

Does the secound American boogaloo in Afghanistan suggest that America didn't help the Taliban get into power decades previous when they had common enemies?

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Bold claims there, could you provide something concrete on the matter? As ISIS only showed up in region around 2014, 3 years after the initial civil war.

I find it amusing that Libya was this supposed bastion of alternative while being an autocracy. That doesn't really jive well with anarchy or even socialist ideals.

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As ISIS only showed up in region around 2014, 3 years after the initial civil war.

Which is why I included "precursor" in the previous comment.

I find it amusing that Libya was this supposed bastion of alternative

Things can be incredibly problematic while still being vastly superior to NATO imperialism/colonialism.

You didn't know that Libya had one of the highest standards of living in Africa before NATO helped destroy much of it?