I disagree, I think this is a reach. I get the sentiment but it’s not the same thing.
There’s RMT in PoE as well, you can buy currency just like you can in WoW. If that’s all Elon was doing I’d agree. But he’s doing that plus getting piloted by someone much better than him to appear to be a skilled/high level player.
The WoW equivalent would be buying gold + getting your character leveled to 60 by someone else, then having them get top tier parses for you as well or having them grind to R14 for you.
If you’re buying gold but still leveling yourself, raiding yourself, doing PVP yourself I have a hard time saying you’re doing the same thing as someone who is just not doing any of that themselves. You’re taking a shortcut, sure, but there’s levels to it in my opinion.
Bingo and then telling us all he's Reckless Glad, but then when he streams himself playing he looks like an 8yr old kid who just got the game for Christmas.
That POE stream he did was so cringe. Anyone who has spent more than 10hrs playing games in their life could instantly tell this kid was clueless and had APM similar to my arthritic mother in law.
They absolutely do this - burn thousands of consumes per raid then talk about how easy the game is, ignoring that old school MMO skill was very heavily based on preparation.
you don't brag about your salary, you brag with the sportscar you buy. Same with player that buy gold and once they reach 60 suddenly have Hide of the wild, Corehound belt, two maiden rings and call it pre-raid bis gear. Or the people that pay other players to do their raids for them. They prance around with it.
Yeah I get that OP is just trying to talk shit to gold buyers but paying someone to play the game enough for you to be in the top 100 on the leaderboards and then pretending to the entire world to have done it all yourself is leagues more insane than buying gold.
I think they're different points on the same spectrum. What Elon did is on a pretty extreme end of things, but they're both paying someone to play part of the game for you. Buying gold is paying for a much smaller aspect of the game than Elon basically having no idea how to play, but like, we're talking about the setting on the dial, not which dial we're turning, imho.
I think they're different points on the same spectrum.
I think this is the key reason for the disagreement in the comments, what spectrum is being discussed.
If the spectrum is just
paying someone to play part of the game for you
then agreed, however most discussion I've seen around Elon's stuff isn't that, it's the acting like he did it all himself and that his ability matches his rank. So the spectrum they are commenting on is more
claiming achievements and the skill that got them as your own even though someone else actually did it
which means buying gold wouldn't be related unless the person was also going around bragging about how much gold they have and how they earned it all themself. If Elon didn't try to claim it was his own work multiple times, I'm fairly certain most people just wouldn't give a shit.
The relevance of each spectrum to me at least is more clear when you remove money from both sides. If someone just got a lucky drop early and tossed it on the AH for a ton of gold, then used that to avoid having to play most of the game, is that still an issue for the first spectrum? Similarly, if someone was gifted an item for free from a friend, but then went around bragging about how many hours they spent grinding and how amazing they are based on having that item, is that not an issue just because no money was spent?
It's not a reach. You can only barely label it a reach because GDKP's are banned and we totally ignore all the epics you can purchase off the AH. Gold-making is an integral part of the grind that classic wow provides and paying real world money to skip it is fundamentally cheating. It doesn't help that a lot of big things are tied to it too. Epic mount, Lionheart helm, Edgeguards just to name a few.
Blizzard's detection must be so ass if they can't track sales across the AH. Like sure if someone does it once maybe it could get lost in the transactions, but if you're repeatedly selling shit way overpriced to the same account over and over how hard could it possibly be for Blizz to track that? It's just pure apathy + laziness.
I worked for a bank for the better part of a decade and the effort that goes into tracking the real world equivalent of this is neither easy nor cheap.
I'm not saying Blizzard shouldn't be putting in more effort but any notion that this is an easy solve is uh.. very wrong.
Real world transacations are significantly more complex surely? Literally just flagging that one account has sold hundreds of items to the same account at thousands of percent over market value should trip some kind of alarm.
I mean not really, the vast majority of fraud is very simple.
And the problem isn't actually identifying people doing the wrong thing, it's proving it. Look how nuts this sub goes for every incorrect automated ban, and honestly entirely fair that shouldn't happen!
Would you be OK having your account perma'd because you were "obviously a bot"? I farm a lot of DMT and I have had many people angrily inform me I was being reported as a bot because I didn't reply to their messages wanting buffs or whatever. Should I have been banned?
It all gets so messy so fast. I'm not saying they can't do it, but the notion that it would be "super easy" is very much not the case.
No of course not, but I also think being auto banned from spam reports by the DMT cartel is more of an issue than auto banning someone who has transferred 10k+ gold by AH.
Because they don't care about the time spent. It's not a sign of anything positive. Getting the same thing and having the same skill, without the grind is what they want.
Why should you be able to be a part of the sweatlords if you don't have time to put in the sweat? Entitled much?
Because like 15mins of income can cover all that completely numb grind. And at the end of the day that's the least fun and least skillful part of the game. No one respects it.
So if I download a save game of the first (MAX_LEVELS -1) levels of some popular speed run game, from some pro speed running, and then I just use that save to run last level over and over to try to beat the "overall world record", that's not cheating, because the first levels were all just a completely numb grind anyway.
Lol, I have a job and four kids and still get plenty of gold selling pots, about 400g a week, 600 on good weeks. That's more then enough. If I had the time I could double that but I log in every morning and afternoon to check AHs and play in some of the evenings.
A circlejerk doesn’t have to be wrong, he’ll, the original concept of one is a bunch of people agreeing on trivially easy matters and congratulating each other heavily for doing so.
The WoW equivalent would be buying gold + getting your character leveled to 60 by someone else, then having them get top tier parses for you as well or having them grind to R14 for you.
So buying gold then buying boosts then heading into discord based GDKPs to hoover up all the gear?
Right like how is that the same? Getting a lot of gold takes more time than skill. Getting someone to play for you is removing all skill involved whatsoever. Not remotely the same in a competitive/ranked game, and a very circle jerky reach
Let alone to then take credit for the achievements. The only equivalent is to buy gold and then brag about how rich you are which no one is doing that I know of
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u/Zeyz 6d ago
I disagree, I think this is a reach. I get the sentiment but it’s not the same thing.
There’s RMT in PoE as well, you can buy currency just like you can in WoW. If that’s all Elon was doing I’d agree. But he’s doing that plus getting piloted by someone much better than him to appear to be a skilled/high level player.
The WoW equivalent would be buying gold + getting your character leveled to 60 by someone else, then having them get top tier parses for you as well or having them grind to R14 for you.
If you’re buying gold but still leveling yourself, raiding yourself, doing PVP yourself I have a hard time saying you’re doing the same thing as someone who is just not doing any of that themselves. You’re taking a shortcut, sure, but there’s levels to it in my opinion.