r/clevercomebacks Dec 17 '24

Is he just stupid?

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 17 '24

It's good to know that rape never happens in all-male total institutions like the military, ships, or prison.

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u/No-Advantage-579 Dec 17 '24

That made me spit coffee on my keyboard - although it ain't funny, of course.

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u/NohWan3104 Dec 18 '24

how's that song go again? oh yeah.

sad but true.

you can also say it's a little funny. not the reality, just, the sort of pointing it out here.

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u/Jay_Hos Dec 17 '24

Did you though? i dont think you did

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u/VinoMeano5 Dec 18 '24

Must be a writer, I didn’t think I could see fake acting in writing.

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u/bam1007 Dec 18 '24

Also good to know that if it did, it would be reported every single time.

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 18 '24

Always. Male victims are famously open about their experiences.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

I am sure the 17 year old woman who signs up for the Navy is well-educated on the increased risk of sexual assault she will face in the military and it is a completely responsible policy to encourage young women to join.

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u/Redditauro Dec 17 '24

But if they don't enlist, who will die for the economy? 

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u/Positive_Height_928 Dec 17 '24

The working class of course!

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

Mostly, logging workers, far more dangerous than the military.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '24

In the same way vending machines are more dangerous than sharks.

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u/mosesoperandi Dec 18 '24

My only problem with how you've framed this is that even when people are around sharks, the sharks are generally very uninterested in trying to eat people.

With vending machines on the other hand, you never know when one of them is a mimic.

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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX Dec 18 '24

Mimics are the ones that don't drop your item.

You get close, you bear hug that machine and give it a little jostle... It doesn't come loose. One more big shake, that will do it. Thunk

You release your grapple on the machine, but your arms are clung to it. You panic trying to get away from the machine so you can grab your Chik-o-Stik. Finally you are freed, stumbling back, landing on your rump in front of the machine. You stare up at it as the pick-up slot transmogrifies into a gaping maw lined with infinite rows of mismatched teeth.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

Not the same at all...

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '24

Well many more lumberjacks are around falling trees on any given day than soldiers in active war zones.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

I don't have the per capita numbers in front of me, but yeah, most people serve in the military without ever seeing combat or any dangerous situation.

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u/Huge-Vegetab1e Dec 18 '24

You sure about that?

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u/Qadim3311 Dec 18 '24

10 deadliest jobs in the US, in order: Logging workers, Commercial fishers, Aircraft pilots and Flight engineers, Roofers, Structural iron and steel workers, Refuse and recyclable material collectors, Delivery truck drivers, Agricultural workers, Construction workers, Landscapers and Groundkeepers

Ironically neither soldiers nor cops make the top 10, despite those professions actually involving weapons

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u/Swittybird Dec 17 '24

Well not her if she’s joining the Navy

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 17 '24

The military is willing to sacrifice soldiers' arms, legs, backs, knees, brains to TBIs, mental health, and lives to whatever war Washington has decided we're fighting this year. It's not surprising that they're willing to also turn a blind eye to situations like LaVena Johnson's assault and murder. Everyone knows suicidal young women beat themselves bloody around the head and pour acid onto their own genitals before shooting themselves at an angle inconsistent with a self inflicted gunshot wound.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

Being in the military is likely safer (for men) than many civilian jobs. You have to choose and qualify for jobs that bring you into harm's way and those jobs are a small percentage of the overall military.

It is women who face a significant increase in risk of sexual assault.

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 17 '24 edited Dec 17 '24

For sure. Joining the military as a woman is an extremely dangerous and, in my opinion, wildly ill-advised option. Of course, I also think that joining the military in general is wildly ill-advised. But for women, specifically because of the rape.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

The military has me making 90k a year, free healthcare, bought me a house. I have never been in combat and have served two 6 year contracts.

But yeah, ill-advised, I guess???

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 17 '24 edited Dec 18 '24

I'm glad it's worked out well for you. I think it was a bad choice for my old buddies from my hometown who now live with missing limbs, nightmares, and guilt, and for the ones who killed themselves when they got back. I'm glad I told the recruiter I had no quarrel with the people of Iraq, although it made me mighty unpopular at the time. I just make 90k and own a house by butchering wood for a living. But it sounds like it was a good career move for you, and I'm glad for you.

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u/Professional_Dot9440 Dec 18 '24

Of course, I also think that joining the military in general is wildly ill-advised. But for women, specifically because of the rape.

I hope you realize that more men get sexually assaulted in the military than women…according to the statistics anyways. Obviously those numbers only reflect the people that come forward however it’s my understanding that 1 in 5 women who experience sexual assault come forward and only 1 in 15 men.

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u/Professional_Dot9440 Dec 18 '24

Being in the military is likely safer (for men) than many civilian jobs.

It is women who face a significant increase in risk of sexual assault.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that…

The Pentagon estimated that 26,000 service members experienced unwanted sexual contact in 2012, rising from 19,000 in 2010. Of those cases, the Pentagon says, most involved attacks on men, predominantly by other men. Recent statistics show that in terms of number of assaults, “the majority of the victims are men.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military

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u/Ewenf Dec 17 '24

So the solution is to deter women from joining male dominated workplace ?

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

The military is completely different from any other job in that you live with your coworkers for months at a time far away from your home and support system.

Do women have a significant increased chance of being gang raped if they become a plumber?

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u/Ewenf Dec 17 '24

That absolutely doesn't justify baring women from joining the military, men who join the army can't handle themselves so we've got to forbid recruitment of women ? And do nothing about what kind of men the military recruits ?

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

They currently do a lot about men. They spend a lot of money and time on preventing sexual assault, it still happens.

You are basically saying, you don't care if many women are sexually assaulted. Getting numbers up in the military is more important.

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u/Ewenf Dec 17 '24

Getting numbers up in the military is more important.

Yeah that's absolutely not what I'm saying but nice try.

Women want to join and serve just like men but because the army hires pieces of shit they shouldn't be able to do so ?

They currently do a lot about men. They spend a lot of money and time on preventing sexual assault, it still happens.

Right so what they're doing is shit if it still happens. Maybe they should focus more on actually doing something instead of forbidding female recruitment.

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

Except, and this is interesting, you are more likely to be sexually assaulted as a woman if you are not in the military.

Approx. 15% of all women have been the victim of a sexual assault, while for the military, it is 8.4%

I just looked it up because I was curious how effective the SHARP program actually is, and it looks like it decreases a woman's chance of sexual assault by 40-50%

So, I guess women should join the military to avoid sexual assault.

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u/nandemo Dec 18 '24

Your conclusion is not sound.

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u/Ewenf Dec 17 '24

Was wondering that too and wanted to look up the numbers. So apparently they do manage to get women safer. Welp I guess this is another Trump shit take that can be proven wrong easily.

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 17 '24

There are a number of other jobs that have you living away from home for months at a time with your coworkers. Pipeline construction, for example. Man camps are a hotbed of sex trafficking and sexual violence.

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u/Skydiving_Sus Dec 18 '24

To imply causation would be… problematic, but there is a correlation between where oil rigs get put and where native women go missing.

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 18 '24

You can go ahead and imply causation, since you already did. It isn't a secret among native folk or among oil workers. Same with any boomtown effect in an area with few women, and where most of the women are from a poorer community, especially if it's a minority community. Boomtowns and man-camps bring sex trafficking and assault.

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u/TheAnderfelsHam Dec 18 '24

Maybe don't enlist rapists?

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u/wilderop Dec 18 '24

This will be the justification for our future robot army.

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u/kittykalista Dec 17 '24

*17 year old girl

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u/wilderop Dec 17 '24

Once they sign the dotted line, I'd call them a woman from that point on. For better or worse.

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u/atlantagirl30084 Dec 18 '24

Jeffrey Dahmer started out in the military raping his roommate.

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u/Snoo_11942 Dec 18 '24

It happens, but much less often.

First of all, it’s physically and psychologically harder to take advantage of a man than it is a woman. I think most people would agree with that.

Secondly, the numbers are not in favor of your point. If 5% of men are gay (estimating) and 1% are rapists (again, estimating), then how much overlap of those groups are you going to see? In other words, with my estimated numbers, a gay rapist is 20x rarer than a straight rapist.

Not saying I agree with Trump, but I hate that we have to throw logic out the window just so we can say, “haha! Gotcha Trump!”

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 18 '24

Most rape of men in all male institutions is not done by men who are homosexual outside of the context of that institution. Rape is about power and dominance, not attraction- especially male on male rape in total institutions.

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u/Snoo_11942 Dec 18 '24

Where are you getting this info? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but this seems like more of a hunch on your part.

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u/EDRootsMusic Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24

I'm a former survivor justice volunteer who worked with both survivors (providing emotional and psychological support) and perpetrators (unpacking what they did and why), and who has spent significant parts of my life in all-male institutions including as a sailor and in jails (as an activist), and in construction man-camps (though there is less male-on-male sexual contact in these, largely because man camps have a booming sex trafficking industry in women). I am neither a survivor nor perpetrator, but am very familiar with both.

There has been some debate between whether prison rape is motivated by domination or by men being deprived of release for their sexual urges, but the theory that it's caused by deprivation doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and most scholastic literature on the matter supports the idea that power is the main motive.

The men targeted for rape in prison are, disproportionately, men who other prisoners want to punish- men whose crimes are taboos such as child sexual violence, informants ("sntiches"), members of rival gangs, new prisoners who are being shown their submissive role in the prison hierarchy, etc. Gay men and trans women are also targeted, as are men with mental illnesses, for failing to perform the correct sort of tough guy masculinity. The act is frequently accompanied with displays of dominance, humiliation of the victim, and reinforcing of a hierarchy of the perpetrator over the victim. It's not about sexual release or love, and the perpetrator themselves would usually be the first to clarify that it wasn't about releasing an urge, but about showing someone their place

This is different from consensual gay sex between men who are either gay or bi, or who are "gay for the stay" or situationally homosexual. Situational homosexuality is not a great mystery to men who work on ships- but it is typically consensual. Men who have consensual sex with men on ships, prisons, and all-male spaces typically don't consider themselves to be homosexuals, particularly if they come from a culture there there's a taboo about that.

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u/Snoo_11942 Dec 20 '24

Not reading all that

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u/FFKonoko Dec 18 '24

With your estimated numbers that you pulled out of your ass, sure.

Meanwhile, in reality, it's a lot more common than that. Assault of men as part of hazing is MORE common.

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u/Snoo_11942 Dec 18 '24

Based on what? Estimated numbers that you pulled out of your ass? What you’ve heard? I don’t see you supplying any solid numbers either, so why even make this comment discrediting me for not using genuine figures?