r/economy 3d ago

The Blindingly Obvious Goal of Trump’s Tariffs That Everyone Seems to be Missing…

I keep seeing confusion about what Trump’s trying to accomplish with his new “tariffs on the world (except Russia, of course)” strategy.

Some have come up with partial truths, like him crashing the economy so that his billionaire friends can sell in advance, short the market then buy the dip, and further consolidating industries by knocking out small and medium sized businesses (eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/Political_Revolution/s/pjgB8tIqpW) and while those may be side benefits, it misses his BY FAR most important motive:

His goal with these tariffs is to force any corporations that want to survive to submit to his direct control & “buy” his favor (a, by definition, fascist takeover FWIW).

This is classic mob boss “carrot & stick persuasion” tactics & they are terrifyingly effective.

By imposing mixed levels of industry and country-specific tariffs & making it clear that these are all being imposed (& removed) at his will, Trump is able to dramatically (& immediately) influence nearly every company’s relative costs & competitiveness.

Within an astonishingly short period (likely just a matter of weeks or months) this financial control will force even the largest companies to submit to his demands in order to get the specific tariffs driving up the cost of *their* products & supply chains reduced or removed. Those who don't play by his rules will end up having to charge more & profit less, & will eventually be driven out of business by the competition that does play along.

With this latest move, he’s given the CEOs & board rooms of America a very clear, stark choice:

Do whatever he says (likely including in the long term purging your company of anyone who publicly opposes him & no longer advertising on platforms that allow opposition messaging), publicly praise him and “donate” millions to his “campaign" (for a 3rd term?), and the tariffs that most directly affect your bottom line will be magically reduced or removed overnight.

Do anything he doesn’t like, in contrast, and he’ll reimpose or increase them instead.

His calculus is simple:

He’s got another 3 1/2 years of executive power, minimum (you’re dreaming if you think BOTH the Republican-controlled house & 2/3rds of the Senate would ever vote to remove him, and even if they did, Vance would likely just continue with these tactics).

Most CEOs can only survive a year at most of continually losing market share to the competitors that are willing to pay to play before they’ll be replaced by someone more compliant.

This means that by the 2026 midterms, any remaining corporate opposition will be substantially weakened and on its way out the door. By 2028, they will be utterly marginalized or gone.

For anyone who thinks this is alarmist, you only have to look at the brazen effectiveness of his most recent targeted attacks via executive order on the nation’s largest law firms.

Law firms that had previously participated in cases against him (or his cronies) have been individually named and prohibited from entering federal buildings (obviously a necessity to participate in federal court cases), had their security clearances threatened and been banned from working with federal agencies (often a multimillion dollar portion of their business).

The result?

One by one, and within just a few weeks, they’ve ALL bent the knee and not only dropped the cases they were working on, but also “donated” tens of millions in free legal work for organizations that Trump likes in order to get his executive orders reversed (successfully, btw). Understanding the clear intended message of these targeted attacks, many of the other big law firms have already announced plans to preemptively bribe (er, provide) him with over $100 million in pro bono services(!):

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-big-law-firms-retribution/

FWIW, this has been Trump’s MO forever, so no one should be surprised. He has always used his outsized wealth and power to bully others into doing his bidding. Whether it’s stiffing small contractors out of millions after they’ve done all the work, then burying them in legal debt when they try to complain until they've commit suicide (https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454) or publicly humiliating fellow Republicans into complete submission (eg. Lil Marco Rubio, Lyin' Ted Cruz, etc), this is simply how he operates.

This is all out of the Dictator’s handbook, of course, and it’s why our founding fathers designated the power of the purse to congress instead of the president alone. Unfortunately, congresspeople are far too cowardly to assert their rightful power and will passively watch our democracy die long before they do anything about it. It seems highly unlikely that any company can resist this type of targeted coercion long term.

How we the people respond will determine whether the country we grew up in still exists in recognizable form just a few months from now.

TL,DR: The “emergency” powers Trump currently has allow him to start, stop and dramatically alter international tariffs at will.

Given his extensive record of abusing power for personal gain (as demonstrated recently by him sabotaging individual law firms’ ability to conduct business with individually targeted executive orders, forcing them to not only stop all work on cases against him and his cronies, but also give him hundreds of millions of dollars in free labor in order for him to rescind them. These orders caused other law firms to preemptively offer him hundred million dollar bribes as well).

I’m suggesting that he is likely to abuse his power again, effectively controlling many companies’ ability to compete depending on their compliance with his demands. By suddenly raising and lowering tariffs by large amounts (currently 50% in some cases, and there’s no reason he can’t go higher to make a point), he can attack individual companies’ respective weak points and sabotage their operations, making them consistently less competitive. He can also pair this with reduced tariffs on their rivals, making them MORE competitive. He can thus pit them against one another, consistently punishing the least complaint and rewarding the most compliant to strengthen their hand.

Because most companies legally exist to maximize shareholder profits, this will eventually force them to either acquiesce to his demands (no matter how extreme, eg. Demanding they replace employees he dislikes with people he does and participate in crimes) or be forced out of business, leading to what’s commonly known as a fascist state.

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u/GT45 3d ago

That’s literally the goal of Project 2025. Replace POTUS with a CEO of America.

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u/Beatles6899 3d ago

Exactly. Project 2025 is literally designed to transform the presidency into a CEO position. They want to eliminate checks and balances so one person has complete control over the economy and government. The tariff system is just the leverage to make it happen.

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u/3randy3lue 3d ago

They want Trump to be CEO and the 2025 creators to be the board of directors. This puts the board in control and Trump their puppet who is controlled by them.

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u/SandF 3d ago

Everyone who installed Hitler or enabled Putin thought the same thing. Their rude awakening came when they learned that dictators don't like to share power. They'd sooner shove you out a window. They discover halfway down that their billions won't break the fall.

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u/urinesain 2d ago

Ah yes, defenestration.

Seems to happen frequently to vocal critics of Putin.

And with the way things are going, the US seems to be on track to a similar future. Ugh.

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u/AnOnlineHandle 2d ago

The number of Russia's top billionaires and their entire families who mysteriously died in the last few years when Putin needed more money for the war should have surely made it clear to western billionaires not to chase the same system, but it seems they have a clinical level of greed and all that they care about is trying to get more money which they don't need and which would make no material impact to their lives.

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u/artgarciasc 3d ago

Muppet, In British slang, "muppet" refers to a foolish, silly, or incompetent person.

No disrespect to Henson.

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u/scorpyo72 2d ago

Hadn't realized but verified. Had not heard it used in any of the British TV programming I viewed as a young person, but it makes sense, and while Henson's was a portmanteau of "Monster" and "Puppet" , it's a terrible coincidence.

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u/FeedMeACat 3d ago

Boards don't control CEOs that is only the theory. It is a pretty common myth that this is true. In most companies CEOs determine pretty much all the information that the board gets in regards to the company. That isn't the board being in control in practice.

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u/RumpleCragstan 2d ago

Boards don't control CEOs that is only the theory.

You're right, Boards don't control CEOs. They are just the folks who have complete control over who gets to be CEO and can change the butt in that seat at any given time if they so choose.

Boards do not have control over CEOs, but they do have full authority over trifling things like whether or not that CEO keeps their job any given morning and how much compensation that job provides the CEO.

But really I do see your point, I mean when has authority over someone's employment status and income ever influenced behaviour?

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u/FeedMeACat 2d ago

I don't think you really do see my point. What does any of these snarky points you made matter when the board depends on the CEO for literally every nonpublic piece of information about the company? They don't.

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u/fireonthemntn 2d ago

This sounds a bit like the “Patriots” from metal gear solid.

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u/ylangbango123 3d ago

So corruption will be erased from the dictionary.

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u/anomalous_cowherd 3d ago

Why do that when he can erase the dictionary altogether, along with all that pesky leftist "education"...

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u/MuenCheese 2d ago

People say this all the time but that’s really not how most CEOs operate. It’s more of a dictator position than a CEO

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u/SeriesProfessional43 3d ago

Trump as ceo would be terrible , he doesn’t care about his workers , sometimes he didn’t even pay them so he will turn Americans into serfs for the rich it seems. One might wonder if he was going to drain the swamp from corruption, why did he than surround himself with the ultra rich who most of them have had cases of corruption brought forward onto them?

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u/Alarming_Employee547 3d ago

It’s almost like he lied about that to get votes. Who could have seen that coming!?

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u/Belaire 3d ago

Does Project 2025 want him as CEO? Or just for him to create the right conditions and position for them to bring on someone more capable once politics no longer factors in.

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u/NoITForYou 3d ago

He's the perfect useful idiot to pull off this part of the plan.

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u/seaQueue 2d ago

And that's why they handed him Vance as VP

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u/Potential_Bowler9833 2d ago

Trump as POTUS was terrible, is terrible and getting more terrible.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Russ Vought wrote the chapter on the executive branch for Project 2025. He does propose increasing the powers of the presidency, but I suspect that's more so that he and others like him in the administration can push through their preferred policy by issuing decrees and orders in his name. The "CEO of America" pitch comes more from Curtis Yarvin, who has advised JD Vance, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and represents the BRIGHT and BEAUTIFUL intellectual future of the Republican Party.

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u/Ambustion 2d ago

I can't tell if Yarvin is intellectually dishonest or actually believes the batshit idea countries should be run as corporations, as if the whole reason a country has citizens that can afford apple products isn't because of a safe and stable democracy creating the environment for corporations to thrive.

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u/GT45 2d ago

Thanks for the info!

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u/Brad_theImpaler 3d ago

"...and we're hiring the worst CEO in history."

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u/GT45 3d ago

Actual CEOs are easier to replace than a POTUS, but here, CEO = fascist dictator.

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u/marplatensemarinero 3d ago

You might also call him the chairman.

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u/GT45 2d ago

Chairman Meow? 🤣🤣

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u/Rreader369 3d ago

Well he can be the CEO, and it would work if he had a board of directors to answer to that had the interests of The People of the US, and their good relationship with the rest of the world as their goal, but THIS Board of Directors is bent on world domination and controlling the rest of the world. Which means there must be war if he’s not dealt with.

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u/Royal_Stress_4390 2d ago

https://www.project2025.org/ to learn more about P2025 and MFL. The Project says restoration of Executive, Judicial and Legislative checks and balances system is a primary positive outcome vs. increasing the power of the President.

In fact, the tariffs are straight out of the playbook in Chapter 26, "Trade": https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-26.pdf

I'm not arguing OP on Trump's power hunger and fascism, because Trump isn't necessarily beholden to follow all of the advised plays described in P25 MFL. Self interest - even if it is maximum power and control - is definitely on the table.

My outstanding question and uncertainty with OP's point is, wouldn't the domestic corporation control require a greater degree of granularity with tariffs? Industry's corporations share those imports and exports, so it seems difficult to target particular companies that aren't "bending the knee" as stated.

For example, the entire auto industry needs steel. Doesn't matter if you're Tesla, Ford, Toyota, etc. The steel tariffs affect all of them. So how does the targeting of individual corporations come to be from a massive tariff against an entire set of imports, in this case from Canada and Mexico primarily?

If you ask me, the primary play is pressure on the countries themselves like DJT is stating publicly. The plays against DEI and government contract flow of cash direction provide VASTLY more power to puppeteer American corporations. The man is fully capable of manipulating the Project 2025 agendas which are actually very intellectually defined (and have been since the 80s). Doesn't mean he has to follow them or can't let his own greed for more power and recognition in history books.

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u/Mallissin 2d ago

My outstanding question and uncertainty with OP's point is, wouldn't the domestic corporation control require a greater degree of granularity with tariffs? Industry's corporations share those imports and exports, so it seems difficult to target particular companies that aren't "bending the knee" as stated.

You are forgetting that the Executive branch collects the tariffs. He can just as easily tell one company they do not need to pay while others do. This can be a trap, too, because the non-compliance can be used as blackmail later.

Non-compliance can also be fabricated by simply not accepting the moneys from companies trying to comply with the tariffs, or adjusting figures so the company can never be in compliance.

A lot of shady corruption can happen if you control the record keeping. We see this a lot in overseas dictatorships.

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u/Betalibaba 13h ago

I share this point of view. I don't get why people make it complicated. Regardless of personal interests, tariffs force some kind of disclosure about true interests of one's country. The reality is many countries say they want something while underhanding some kind of alternate activity that's more profitable to them. An example would be China's welcoming of tech industries while pushing for joint-ventures to finally steal knowledge and produce the same at lower cost. https://voxchina.org/show-3-115.html

At the end of the day, democracy ( or near democracy) is more expensive than dictatorship, this is translated in high cost of labor, and this high cost is land tied as law is often land tied. Companies are untargetable via taxes or laws, so targeting countries sounds much better to me.

I haven't read an argument proving this reasonning wrong.

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u/redderrida 2d ago

CEO is an euphemism, at least CEOs have a board to answer to and can be removed for bad performance. This is way, way worse, called a dictatorship.

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u/GT45 2d ago

Yes, exactly.

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u/Splenda 2d ago

Except that a CEO is bound by a large body of law. Now, a gangster boss, on the other hand...

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u/GT45 1d ago

CEO is clearly a euphemism here, as in Project 2025’s handbook. I guess “full on fascist dictator” didn’t test as well with their focus groups…

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u/AllanSundry2020 3d ago

more like a mob boss

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u/drippysoap 3d ago

Ok people are coming up with all kind of “brilliant “ Schemes of how he is playing 4-D chess. Like crashing the market to refinance debt at a lower price. I don’t think he’s that smart but this actually makes sense and someone as dumb as him could actually execute this.

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u/Whiskey_Jack 3d ago

He is just a vehicle for the oligarchs, he’ll be replaced as soon as democracy is done away with.

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u/lowriter2 2d ago

When we were manufacturing stuff a single person of a family working could afford a car, a house, two kids, and a stay at home wife. 60% of every dollar ever created happened since 2008. That money goes into inflating real estate and stocks. 10% of people own 80% of the stock market, the next 40% of people own 13%. We have the highest budget deficit ever the last 4 years and highest amount spent on interest payment over 1 trillion. I don’t agree with tariffs u less used a way to gain leverage and even the playing field. China subsidizes industries, has slave labor, currency manipulation, forced tech transfer, a censored internet, is the number one producer of fentanyl, knockoffs, are openly hostile to us, want to take Taiwan… and they get treated like a developing country.

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u/GT45 2d ago

Well the issue nobody wants to address is the multinational corporations that have no allegiance to any country. They de-industrialized America in the name of cheaper foreign labor overseas. Now, even if they wanted to bring manufacturing back here, our labor and infrastructure costs would result in much higher priced products that US citizens would struggle to afford, especially with artificially suppressed wages. Donnie just doesn’t understand the global economy, or maybe he just doesn’t GAF, but this isn’t working, and won’t, unless he scares the Fed Chairman into an interest rate cut. We shall see.

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u/IntnsRed 2d ago

We also had clear tax distinctions between "earned income" (wages) and "unearned income" (money from interest, dividends, stocks, economic "rent") and taxed unearned income much higher. Today it's the opposite.

In the boom times of American capitalism (the 50-70s) we taxed the rich at much higher rates -- up to 90%+!! Today we've gutted the "progressive" income tax and there is open talk of making a "flat" tax (euphemistically called the "fair tax" by the right) which will finish off the now-declining "middle classes."

"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." -- Warren Buffett, one of the richest men in the world.

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u/vanessaarasin 31m ago

He can become CEO when we all become shareholders and he has fiduciary responsibility.

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u/mattzky 3d ago

Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. He is posturing to bring countries to the negotiating table.

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u/andthatsfriday 3d ago

His own advisors say there is no negotiation to be had.

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u/AstraTek 3d ago

Next month they might do a 180 on that though. That's the issue with Trump. No consistency. He just rolls how he feels at any given moment.

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u/no_username_for_me 3d ago

“Posturing”? Have you seen the stock market?

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u/ToHallowMySleep 3d ago

It's collateral damage to shore up power.

The megarich can afford it. The middle classes will feel pain, but that is inconsequential.

The stock market crash is not the goal, nor an unsustainable impact. On a country by country basis, it makes little sense and doesn't have as huge an impact, as the Executive holding individual companies to ransom to do what it wants.

This is covered by the OP.

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u/pseudonominom 3d ago

Smoothbrain concept for the Fox news audience.

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u/Publius82 3d ago

So smooth it's frictionless. Truly a medical marvel.

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u/spicyone15 3d ago

His brain should be used to power turbines , no friction just pure speed.

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u/Publius82 3d ago

Grab everyone with a MAGA hat and hook their brains up to turbines.

We just solved the energy crisis

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u/spicyone15 3d ago

Modern day Nikola Tesla over here ⚡️

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u/spolio 3d ago

To negotiate the terms of an agreement trump himself drew up and signed last time round, that he will renege on at a whim depending on his mood.. sure

No one will want to negotiate, trump has proven himself an unreliable narrator of his own presidency and has proven time and time again that he is not to be trusted, only those that have no alternatives will do that and even then they go into it knowing they will just get stabbed in the back the moment they turn around, I'm sure so e will come to negotiate at the same looking else where for a more trustworthy partner.

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u/dastrn 3d ago

That's also the stupidest explanation. Trade deals are built in trust and stability. Trump offers neither.

The most obvious explanation is that Trump wants power over everything and everyone, and nothing will stop him. Fools who support him will keep looking for a rational explanation for his irrational behavior, and keep telling themselves whatever stupid lies they want to believe.

And meanwhile, Trump will continue to commit crimes and corrupt our government to serve his personal whims.

He's a menace.

His defenders and supporters and voters are braindead simpletons too stupid to tie their own shoes.

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u/Mean-Evening-7209 3d ago

The simplest explanation is to read the published Republican playbook and make zero independent assumptions, which states the goal is to consolidate power under the president.

You're making several assumptions, one of which being that the Republican party was lying, and that they don't actually want to consolidate power as they've previously stated.

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u/makebbq_notwar 3d ago

lol, Trumps plan, Gods plan, it’s all bull shit to make you feel better.

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u/Cystonectae 3d ago

Quick question, do you really think that a country should be run like a business? Because, to me, a business is an entity that maximizes profits, while a country is an entity that seeks to protect its people and make them happy. Imagine, if you will, a business that says "profits and production be damned, we are putting employees first and foremost!" Do you seriously think that this kind of company would be competitive in today's capitalist economy?

To say that Trump should approach international trade negotiations as if he is running a company with some employees is just gross. It means you are perfectly fine with him making actions that could hurt a large number of the "employees" (i.e. citizens), as long as the deal gets done. This isn't even just about losing your job, as it would be in an actual corporation, this means you can no longer afford to live/exist in your country and the option of hopping jobs means moving to a different country (which is impractical at best and impossible/dangerous at worst. Trump is managing a COUNTRY filled with living breathing humans that he is supposed to be serving. That is why politics can be so filled with bureaucracy and feels so slow. It is trying to minimize damage to the fricken people that created it. Why do you think other countries have these long drawn out dances for international relations? Because they are trying to keep their own citizens safe!!

Tldr; The moment a country becomes a corporation, citizens become employees, which in turn are seen as unnecessary and disposable if it comes to increasing profits. Trump should take his posturing and go back to bankrupting his own businesses with his ego-protecting "art of the deal" BS.

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u/protonpack 3d ago

You will never get an answer because this person isn't capable of getting through your entire post.