r/interestingasfuck • u/Red_Lotus_Alchemist • 2d ago

/r/all A Chinese earthquake rescue team deployed drones to light up the night and aid search and rescue operations after the devastating 7.7 magnitude earthquake in Myanmar.

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u/lizzieassist 2d ago

It's so good that technology is advancing and helping people

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u/notarobat 2d ago

Especially drones. I'm so tired of seeing some helpless Ukrainian or Russian soul spend his last moments on earth looking at a faceless machine that's being controlled remotely with a god damn playstation controller. Even worse was those aid workers last year who were chased miles, under constant drone attacks, only to perish under something that was likely being ordered by poorly trained AI software. 

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u/Grimour 2d ago

I think you are focusing on the wrong part. A lot of Ukrainians would have died instead if they did not use the drones as weapons and robo dogs for reconnaissance. It really helps leviate some of the dread of going into not secure zones. The Russians could stay home if they didn't like the killing of innocents so much.

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u/BolunZ6 2d ago

People said the same when they first invented machine gun. "If only one person can fire at the rate of 100 peson, we don't have to send 99 person to the war thus saving life"

Yeah we already see how it turned out when ww2 with machine gun technology

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u/magicalfruitybeans 2d ago

But it’s kind of true. Warfare has changed since the invention of the machine gun. It’s allowed for different tactics. We now don’t send in thousands of soldiers at a time wall to wall. We sent in specialized units. Less people at risk

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

I prefer old school battles. Zalgiris(Grunvald) battle was one of biggest medieval battles with 25-80k people. It lasted 2 days.

Now, there is already about a million russians killed and who knows how many ukrainians. And as you can see from videos, a lot of kills are done when you sre hiding and somewhere, suddenly a buzzing sound appears - its a drone, and you are dead.

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u/hazelize 2d ago

Yeah let’s go back to the old days of cavalry charges. Way less gruesome and bloody.

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u/DeathByLemmings 2d ago

They were not lol, they were stood on a hill watching for the mostpart

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u/DeathByLemmings 2d ago

Yeah, 261 is not as large an amount as you are picturing

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u/joehonestjoe 2d ago edited 2d ago

I actually agree with this, I was expecting far more especially since that list covers like 2700 years , at minimum, and monarchs were much common historically, and their reigns much shorter, in general.

For example, Leinster in Ireland had over 100 monarchs in that period, a geographically quite small area of a fairly small (no offence, Ireland) island, and given that 261 include Kings of Essex, I think that's fair to count all monarchs. This is before you realise that Kingdom didn't exist for like 20% of that time window I mentioned before.

So in 2700 years, 261 monarchs died in battle, not even one per decade on average worldwide. That's not very many. Probably more likely to die falling off a horse riding to the battle.

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u/Galaxator 1d ago

Because they never sent groups of soldiers after the monarch who was watching from afar, that would never happen, no it can’t be… both of you are right? That can’t happen on Reddit

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u/Luk164 2d ago

You watch too many movies

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u/DarthChimeran 2d ago

"I refuse to invade Asia until my safety is guaranteed!" - Alexander

"We'll start the invasion as soon as someone finds my armor. I'm not taking an arrow to the knee because of some cute klepto Kipchak with a fast pony." - Temujin

"There's Richard! Everyone Run Away!" - Henry

"This river is too deep. Let's go back." - Julius

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u/Hawtre 2d ago

If people would get off their asses and fight for what's right at home, they wouldn't need to march off to wars in foreign countries

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u/Boowray 1d ago

It’s exactly as gruesome and bloody, have you ever seen a shrapnel wound? But the people dying have an opportunity to defend themselves, fight for their survival, and most importantly there are no civilian casualties. If you’re engaging in the open field, the only people who die are the people standing there fighting. Cavalry charges don’t exterminate schools filled with children. This isn’t to say there were no atrocities in historic battlefields, but comparing something like a napoleonic army firing in ranks to a modern war in Ukraine or Palestine and the differences are shocking.

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u/gettingthere_pastit 2d ago

Earth's medieval population was an estimated 250 - 500ml. Now close to 8bl so relatively the numbers involved in your favourite battle are worse than the numbers in Ukraine.

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

So we have now 20 times more population, and about 20 times more deaths, and war have not even ended yet.

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u/Gamer-Of-Le-Tabletop 2d ago

Actually I'm pretty sure it's artillery that's one of the worst offenders. At least drones only target "military"assets whereas artillery is a generalized everything other there.

War is unforgiving and brutal. May we avoid meeting our fate to it

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u/Gym_Noob134 2d ago

For now. Automated suicide drone swarms are increasingly becoming a thing.

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u/Gamer-Of-Le-Tabletop 2d ago

They still won't decimate the land, and they likely won't kill every living thing in the area.

But don't get me wrong we're arguing between two near adjacent weapons.

We need to diplomatically approach conflicts because once they're hot everyone loses

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u/Gym_Noob134 1d ago

Ukraine and Russia are starting to manufacture millions of drones. China is hush hush on its drone manufacturing numbers but I believe it’s likely in the tens of millions in their stock pile. They have a navy fleet entirely dedicated to autonomous drones, after all.

Indiscriminate mass drone swarm bombings can exact massive casualties and land destruction. Especially if the explosive potency increases (which is trending upwards), and if the AI’s are designed to target anything biological.

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u/Valeredeterre 2d ago

There is a survivorship bias we saw way more dro e kills than the rest because it's letteraly a camera.

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u/dw82 2d ago

Just extrapolating demographic change could bring the numbers pretty close to one another.

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u/handysmith 2d ago

Would you prefer to be involved in those "old school battles"?

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

Being chased by drone or killed by himars? I would rather have a sword fight and at least have a chance to kill someone.

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u/ZephyrFlashStronk 2d ago

You would rather have a chance to kill someone (then die painfully after you are stabbed in the gut with a shortsword) than die nigh instantly from an explosion that rips you in half?

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

You go to war to kill or to die? If you want death you can always commit suicide.

You would be lucky if rocket hits you and torn to pieces, but quite often you lose a limb or two and adrenaline wont let you die, so you slowly and painfully die in agony. Also quite often used cassete (not sure if this right word, maybe cluster) bombs, where thousands of balls or sharpnel is being fired.

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u/One_Researcher6438 2d ago

Nah I've seen enough of those videos to know that you're lucky if it's instant.

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u/squirreladvised 2d ago

In the battle of Cannae, tens of thousands of Roman legionnaires were encircled and massacred. This massacre-ing took hours to do. You want to do that? You want to spend hours being jostled, screaming, with blood underfoot, being trampled by your allies and with absolute certainty you're going to be die a painful death?

Hey. You do you. I'd rather go quick, but you have fun with your pointy stick mmkay?

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

russians do just like that to Ukrainians right now. Sometimes they shoot but sometimes they do all the possible war crimes. For example, there were evidence found that russians remove teeth from woman and rape them till death. Doesnt sound any different to me from middle ages.

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u/Spookki 2d ago

I'd much rather get shot in the heart and killed by 5.45 than get an unremovable arrow stuck in my chest and die slowly in agony.

War has gotten more humane, thats undeniable. The geneva conventions (when actually followed) do a major amount to help and we have ww2 to thank for those.

The longer conflict takes, and the more expensive equipment needed, the less lives are wasted.

Hopefully one day the rich children leading countries can just send expensive robot armies to fight on their behalf and we get to watch it live on tv like big brother, instead of being in the trenches with them.

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago edited 2d ago

I expected this war to be some kind of robots vs robots, I was really surprised that half of us in our homes have robot vacuum cleaners, yet military doesnt have similar stuff with gun attached and still goes old school fighting until drones appeared.

I also expected more cyber security attacks, similar to what Israel done in Gaza with pagers. Since most stuff is made in China, in case of war against them I wouldnt be surprised to receive forced update on smart things that would overheat and make fire.

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u/VegisamalZero3 2d ago

...and you're forgetting the hundred thousand killed by disease on the way there.

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

Same thing happens now, you may get sick while being in a trench.

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u/ShakeAndBakeThatCake 2d ago

Also rockets. They probably kill more than drones.

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u/Strange-Idea7819 2d ago

Do the math.

The battle lasted two days and estimates of dead are 8-16k.

Now, the Russo-Ukrainian War has been waging for years now. At the rate people died in Grunvald, there would be 4.5 million dead by now.

I prefer drones.

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

Wikipedia says there were up to 80k casualties. In just 2 days.

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u/Strange-Idea7819 1d ago

I went with the low estimates 8k. Add a zero to my number and that is even more staggering.

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u/onFilm 1d ago

You do realize that in the past we proportionally sent more people to war than we ever do today, right? Things always get better over time, proportionally. So no, today's wars have way less casualties than they did back then, proportionally.

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u/Ok_Run6706 1d ago

But wont modern wars affect more population?

What it used to be, lets say you are farmer, your animals are taken for food, and soldiers with all surrounding people march (cooks, medics, barbers, etc) basically moving village. And they march for a long time. Whike you sit in yoir half emptt farm dealing your business.

Modern war: less than 1% population are soldiers, but rockets, drones and artillery reach is huge. One minute you are baking cakes the other you are hit by missiles shrapnel. Or your house got destroyed. So you are not fighting, you are just suffering.

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u/onFilm 1d ago

It's all about being relative. If less population is affected overall by war, that's always a good thing.

Not sure what the whole baking thing is supposed to explain, but yeah, that's how war has been since before we were humans.

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u/Ok_Run6706 1d ago

Well, its the opposite what I wrote. You may not be a soldier, but still can be killed hy artillery or rocket. One rocket may kill hundreds of people. It wasnt like that before.

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u/onFilm 1d ago

Yeah, innocent people have been killed as casualties of war since day one. You'd literally be dragged out of your home, and brutally murdered as your family would watch, one by one, slowly, sometimes quick if you were lucky. And even if a rocket can kill multitudes of people, there are still way less people relatively dying as casualties compared to before. It always improves as time goes on.

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u/Real_Particular6512 2d ago

Well thank god you prefer a certain type of battle to another having never been in either circumstance yourself

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

And neither you, so your comment is useless.

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u/Real_Particular6512 2d ago

I'm not trying to take some weird fucking high ground about what type of war I prefer based on some bullshit reasoning

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u/Ok_Run6706 2d ago

So why are you even here?

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u/Real_Particular6512 2d ago

It's a post about an interesting and novel use of drones...

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u/psychodogcat 2d ago

It's kind of true that eventually, these technologies do end up saving lives more though. As warfare tech gets more dangerous, people are less likely to use it because their enemies also have the same tech. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a drug.

However, the period immediately after invention is always the worst. See Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

The MAD concept only applies to nuclear warfare. Wars have only become more lethal.

Just look at the devastation to cities in modern conflicts. The utter destruction of civilian areas is a hallmark of modern conflict.

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u/Habanero-Jalapeno 1d ago

Exactly. People are so out of touch here jeez but they must give their 2 cents on everything.

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u/tallsmallboy44 1d ago

Ancient armies literally used to burn entire cities to the ground. What are you talking about?

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

Just because it happened doesn't mean it always happened. Or even often. They had to make a deliberate choice to raze a city. Which would be done to send a message, revenge or as part of a genocide. And it would happen AFTER the battle, not because of the battle.

Nowadays the utter ruination of a battlesite is a given.

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u/Traditional-Key4824 2d ago

Don't tell this guy there is this thing that is called arm race.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

LoL. You do realise you are talking about the Russian army here. Those who still use ancient technology, because they are still using cannon fodder tactics. They are racing to their graves, not to advance anything.

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u/Traditional-Key4824 2d ago

While the Russians is certainly undersupplied and using outdated equipments in most fronts, their drone warfare tactics and equipments only stepped up during the war. Are they still behind? Yes. But are they better than the start of the war? In drones, yes, other, maybe.

And it's not only the Russians, every single nations watching the war had begun their drone programs after seeing the effectiveness of them.

I'm not solely referring to the Ukrain-Russo war. And arrogant people like you are the reason the Chinese is catching up.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Of course that is the way of our kind. I would much rather fly a drone though than run head first into bullets.

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u/Vasyh 2d ago

It's funny how Russia is still advancing with only shovels (if you check what really happens on the ground after 2023).

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

Stop believing the false narrative. Stop underestimating your opponent. Russia has been a festering corpse since the fall of the USSR. But they're also in a war economy currently.

They're still a massive threat and responsible for 100.000s of deaths by now. The West is currently studying modern peer-to-peer warfare. Russia is actually fighting it. Ukraine might be better than them at it, but Russia just flattens everything they encounter with the massive shell and drone production they've got now.

The destruction in Ukraine is more concentrated than during the 2nd world war.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Sure they are fighting it - and losing heavy losses all day, everyday. They aren't even making modern tanks because they are also just fodder. It's one big Russian nesting doll.

Russia is all out of their massive second world war bomb storage. They are bleeding hard now and the only reason that scum shelling tactic was working, was because no one was willing to give Ukraine anything that was able to strike back at easy stand still missile launchers..that was a horrible time to witness them being helplessly torn little by little.

Russia flattens everything it encounters huh? Sure haven't flattened Ukraine.

What a random WW fact, that means nothing when condensed to such a degree.

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u/Poohstrnak 2d ago edited 13h ago

Hey now, they half like 4 almost 5th gen fighters with exposed wood screws, no S ducts, and a radar cross section the size of a whale shark

They have bleeding edge tech!

I wonder if no one knew I was joking. All of the things I listed are profoundly not 5th gen.

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u/xXTurdleXx 2d ago

damn Japan actually somehow rewrote themselves into the victim. those nukes saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives, because the Japanese literally refused to surrender. japan raped and killed more people in a single Chinese city than both bombs combined, yet somehow are victims because they were so insane they would rather suicide their entire country than give an unconditional surrender

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u/WorstPossibleOpinion 2d ago

Japan's surrender had nothing do with the nukes, this is well established historical fact, they were holding out on if they could surrender to the soviets believing they'd get more reasonable terms from them. In fact the emperor and his council didn't pay much attention to the reports of cities being destroyed by the nukes, it was not a concern to them.

The nukes were used against Japan purely because the US had them and not because of any practical purpose.

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

They used the bombs to send a message to the world (especially the USSR) as well as to speed up the surrender deals with Japan.

Russia was advancing through Manchuria at breakneck speed. They knew that the USSR wished to annex as much of the territory they 'liberated' as possible. The US wanted them to have as little leverage as possible.

Relations between the West and the USSR were already souring rapidly before the war had even ended.

I'm not excusing it, by the way. The bombs should've never been dropped.

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u/xXTurdleXx 1d ago

yeah and Japan never should have raped and murdered 100x the people in China/Korea either :)

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

Yeah. No they shouldnt have done that. Thank you for your insight!

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u/xXTurdleXx 1d ago

well established historical fact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

yeah sure, there was totally no reason at all

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u/WorstPossibleOpinion 1d ago

Well established true facts are often the cause of debate. Are we to give up vaccines because they are debated by people in bad faith?

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u/Honkerstonkers 2d ago

I actually visited the museum in Hiroshima today. Saw the charred toys and children’s clothes. The pictures of the utter destruction, the horrible burns on people slowly dying.

How many of these children and pensioners were sacking Nanjing?

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u/xXTurdleXx 1d ago

It's crazy that you care more about the thousands of children who died in Hiroshima as unintentional targets, rather than the millions of children killed in China as part of an intentional genocide, simply because Japan cried more about it after the war ended

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u/Honkerstonkers 1d ago

The children of Hiroshima were definitely intentional targets. The Americans knew what they were doing. You make it sound like killing Japanese children is ok because soldiers committed atrocities in China. Killing children is never ok.

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u/Ckarles 2d ago

Yep, they said the same thing about mustard gas.

"Hey, if we can just kill all of these people with some gas, it's gonna end the war quickly, so lives will be saved".

Then a few weeks later, the opponent used the same technique, then people started to die faster, and suffered much more.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Why was the machine gun effective? Because of armies swarming the front. That is no longer a viable strategy on the battlefield. Things have changed for the better for the average man, who was a war puppet yesterday.

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u/Force-4842 2d ago

Still a war puppet today

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u/igotthisone 2d ago

Sure, but he was yesterday too.

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u/Meta_Zack 1d ago

Yes but it also pushed war from open fields into cities and towns as they can be used for "cover". War will always be shit

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u/Grimour 1d ago

When buildings become modern fortresses then war often moves where you have a greater defensive position and protecting your cities seems logical. In the world wars there were plenty of city battles. When you have nothing left to lose, then making a stand in the cities are only logical, because the aggressors will probably have to destroy a lot of what they hoped to conquer and use.

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u/Automatic-Change7932 2d ago

You mean ww1? Still most casualties stemmed from artillery in both world wars. Now it is drones. In this case drones are even worse. They make the till recently most deadly weapon more deadly and are the most deadly weapon. Now you can kill more people for less money. Brave new world.

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u/BulkyCoat8893 2d ago

The Nobel peace prize exists because Alfred Nobel made explosives safer to store, thinking he was saving lives. But making explosives safer meant everyone could make and carry more into battle.

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u/Fit_Organization7129 2d ago

ww1 but yeah...

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u/Bored_Amalgamation 2d ago

People still have to defend themselves. It's not like no one will die if Ukraine stopped using drones.

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u/bfume 2d ago

Take a look back at every war before WWI. The number of casualties per capita goes down dramatically as wars get more “modern”

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u/Rdtackle82 2d ago

I also have seen that on Reddit, but in this case it's literally resulting in fewer troops used in total and lower casualty numbers. Eventually, the human aspect will be entirely removed.

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u/GH057807 2d ago

"Shit, they got 100 guys shooting like 1000, better send 10,000."

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u/Open_Ad_8200 1d ago

That’s not true at all. It was created because reloading weapons took to long. This was at a time when wars were just people standing in line shooting at each other. The idea was never to use less people

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u/Ambiorix33 2d ago

Except the Russians could end the killing in a day if they just fucked off back to where they came from

This isn't WW1 where a bunch of powers are obligated to keep pushing of be annihilated, Russia could go home tomorrow and the borders reset to pre-2014 and nothing would be lost for Russia, no one would enter Russia.

This is entirely.on them

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u/FlyingOTB 2d ago

I don’t think that was ever the sentiment with machine guns.

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u/Mrqueue 2d ago

It’s an anecdote. The man who invented the automatic gun thought war would be fought by 1 man in a field instead of 100 because at the time they would line up in fields and shoot each other

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u/marsinfurs 2d ago

That’s literally true though

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u/PangolinPretend4819 2d ago

the difference here is that the main user of said drones is a defending nation being attacked by an imperialist aggressor, what are they supposed to do, just go home?

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u/Badloss 2d ago

Nuclear deterrent has successfully prevented all-out total war since it was invented. I genuinely do think Nukes have made the world safer overall

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u/Throwawaywadwadwad 2d ago

im unsure if you're justifying Russians invasion and killing of innocent?

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u/BolunZ6 2d ago

What I meant is improving arm doesn't mean saving more lives. We just change the method of killing each other instead

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u/PsychedDuckling 2d ago

If Americans didn't like oil so much, fallujah would still have more than one mosque

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u/sneed_patrol 1d ago

science and progress

holy reddit

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Yeah, not my brightest moment. Sorry.

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u/PsychedDuckling 2d ago

That's a great argument, Josh, thank you

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u/Feisty_Manager_4105 2d ago

 Russians could stay home

I hope Putin gets a missile up his arse but that's just naive to think Russian cannon fodder have a choice

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u/somerandomfuckwit1 2d ago

The overwhelming majority of them willingly signed contracts they absolutely made a choice. Theres been 1 super unpopular partial reserve call up and that's it which is why they keep upping pay for signing contracts. Fuck em all

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u/Dude-Hiht875 1d ago edited 1d ago

In the USA, give to average "white trash" the option to sign a deal where US Guv'ment pays 500,000 United Shteaks Dollars and watch what happened.

Putin invented the recycling method for people who can't live like in old times, like their parents but cannot find the way how to live now in nowadays. Recycling them as the biofuel of war machine.

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u/jerrykroma 2d ago

Check out rewards russia pays for people to sign contracts , they rise almost every other month, because regular conscripts are rarely sent to the front , it's people who do it willingly most of the time. Most of them come from poorer (comparatively) regions of the country, where sign-up bonus is entire year's salary for them So yeah, they DO have a choice mot to sign a contract , lot of them just think it's worth risk for money

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u/Entire_Pop9382 2d ago

On top of that, Ukraine offers high rewards and strong protection if you do surrender. Unless you're a high-profile defector, like that helicopter pilot who was murdered by FSB in Spain, you'd likely get a better life out of it.

The only argument that I could see is your family. In the end, though, how does it feel to return home to your children being a murderer?

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u/Grimour 2d ago

They do. They could resist. They could shoot their commanders and die in a noble act, but they wouldn't They got no backbones.

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u/Feisty_Manager_4105 2d ago

I'm very sure sacrificing yourself is a very easy thing to do

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u/Tunisian_Communist 2d ago

Same with Western soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. They all should have killed themselves right? They could have resisted, they're the ones invading after all. Spineless cowards.

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u/Entire_Pop9382 2d ago

To be fair, Western soldiers definitely did sign up for the job voluntarily. So yeah, a lot of times staying home would've been the smarter choice.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Not remotely the same thing. Russia is invading a peaceful country. All those countries you name were given reasons to why they were invaded. I do not condone it, but it's far from the same thing.

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u/bignibba2320 1d ago

The wild amount of hoops you're jumping through to justify the deaths of people is quite impressive! Ever considered acrobatics?

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u/bignibba2320 1d ago

Not really a joke buddy🤣 just making an observation of your character

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u/Tunisian_Communist 1d ago

Libya was peaceful, the innocent civilians of Iraq didn't deserve to be burnt to death by white phosphorus, we know the WMDs didn't exist, the fishermen of Yemen shouldn't be blown apart at their wedding ceremonies, yet here you are defending it.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Fuck off with relating one conflict with another.

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u/Tunisian_Communist 1d ago

So Russians should all kill themselves but everyone else is excused from warcrimes and ethics? Classic imperialism

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Ok one day you may realise Russia is doing imperialistic acts.

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u/Mustard_Rain_ 2d ago

it's ok to be a communist AND oppose Russian imperialism at the same time, brother, you can do it

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u/Tunisian_Communist 1d ago

So long as we agree that conscripted soldiers don't have much of a choice, sure

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u/BigDaddy0790 1d ago

I personally know 5 people fighting on Russian side, 1 of them recently killed and 1 missing, all volunteered. I have not heard of anyone being forced to go to the frontline since 2022. The recruiting center in Moscow processes around a thousand volunteers daily, 90% go for the money, because most of them can’t dream of ever earning as much as they can at war.

I guess you could say that they “had no choice” in the economic sense, but I still disagree. 99% of them made a very active adult choice to go kill people, for many reasons, but responsibility is theirs.

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u/Mustard_Rain_ 2d ago

stop excusing imperialism.

most are volunteers, who signed for contract bonuses.

they absolutely have a choice.

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u/Mondelieu 2d ago

Most Russians fighting right now are there for the money. The cannon fodder recruited by the mobilization is long dead already.

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u/some_edgy_shit- 2d ago

I think you are focusing on the good parts, the idea of anything autonomous in anyway harming anyone is scary regardless because od how it could be used. Even if it’s only used for good the fact that it could be used for evil should still make it scary tech…….. also I’m drunk, I could be misreading, misinterpreting, or just stating something obvious. So sprinkle a grain of salt on my and give me a glass of water.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

You do realise the rich and powerful have used the poor as autonomous drones before drone warfare. That is the alternative.

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u/Riaayo 2d ago

Machines don't question the ethics of war crimes they commit and don't fear for their own lives.

Just because soldiers have committed atrocities for tyrants in history doesn't mean that a pacifying military force completely devoid of all humanity is somehow a good thing.

Just like automating away labor and taking labor's power, automating oppression removes the potential for your soldiers to say enough is enough and turn on you.

This technology doesn't exist to spare you going to war.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

LoL because the Russians really care about ethics..

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u/some_edgy_shit- 2d ago

I’m talking about some rich shithead who can afford to build 10K drones suddenly being able to afford a private army. Basically I’m afraid of money being the only thing needed to control people. Sure fits being used to defend people right now, but what about in 10 years? Because that tech isn’t going back into Pandora’s box.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Because that would be totally legal and easy to set up and control...that might happen in the worst places on earth, but those are already hellscapes. This is more a problem in any society with too big of a gap between the richest and the poorest. Through all of time.

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u/some_edgy_shit- 2d ago

In the next war when they are used to kill innocent people will see if your opinion remains the same.

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u/krill_me_god 2d ago

This is like some Cyberpunk 2077 stuff right here. Ironic how a post that should bring some level of positivity starts spawning doom spiral discussions like this here, not saying that whats being said has no merit which it unfortunately does.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

So you don't think mercenary groups like the Wagner group were used to kill??

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u/some_edgy_shit- 1d ago

How long does it take to train one mercenary vs how long does it take to belt out 10 drones?

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Again. That would be economically enriched against the poor.

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u/some_edgy_shit- 1d ago

This is true, never argued against that.

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u/Riaayo 1d ago

Because that would be totally legal and easy to set up and control

Do you not see the private military groups that literally already exist even in the US? DeSantis basically already has a personal army in Florida. America has been using mercenaries for decades.

And you say all of this as if America doesn't have massive wealth inequality, or as if the police state doesn't already serve to protect oligarchs and not the general populace.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

I'm not saying anything about there isn't inequality? I'm saying it's the result of inequality.

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u/somersault_dolphin 2d ago

Until you realize that they could easily be used for more destructive purposes to keep the evil and corrupted in power.

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u/Bassracerx 1d ago

This is a good point. A lot of warfare is using the element of suprise. Drones remove the fog of war and kind of helps mKes fights “fair”. Most people die in war by ambush and are slaughtered. That or artillery shells.

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u/gurbus_the_wise 2d ago

[Some guy online expresses empathy and universal compassion for his fellow man]

You, for some reason: let me correct your emotions real quick.

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u/d3vmaxx 2d ago

Yea feel sorry for the poor russians who signed up for a bonus to kill ukranian children. /s

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u/notarobat 2d ago

No, it is you that is most definitely focusing on the wrong part

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Ok Russian

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u/ExoticMangoz 2d ago

War is bad

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Who the fuck says it's good?

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

Drones are being used on both sides. It's had a significant impact on the lethality of the war. The better we get at killing each other, the more will die.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

The Russian meat grinder does not support technical advanced groups very well and has relied heavily on carpet bombing, nor do I see drones, besides heavy bomb drones, as a great attack force, but more as a defensive one, since most of the smaller ones have very limited range.

The last statement isn't true. We invented the atom bomb nearly a hundred years ago, yet very few have been used in war. Actually it probably has prevented many wars instead.

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

The atom bomb has perhaps stopped some wars, yeah. The nuclear non-proliferation act has also enabled nuclear capable nations to bully non nuclear capable nations into compliance.

Carpet bombing hasnt been a thing for decades now. Russia uses a mixture of drones, shells and missiles to flatten cities.

Drone warfare has enforced the current stalemate. Stalemates increase the death toll significantly without any actual gains for either side. Drone production has increased significantly in Russia. The number of fibreglass drones being seen in the Kursk battle lately has been shocking. These drones can fly up to 30 km. Which is more than enough for offensive operations. Say what you want, but drone warfare has actually made poorly trained conscripts more relevant on the battlefield than ever, and Russias got plenty of those.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

When have war nations not bullied easy targets?

Okay maybe it's the wrong term, but they bomb shit till there is nothing left and with little precision.

Depends on who is the aggressor. Putin wants land, so he will always lose more when his troops expose themselves in advancement. Ukraine is fighting tactically and not to dominate as the Russians do. Sure Russia makes more drones now. It was hard to make less. Russia does not have a healthy military structure that advanced warfare needs to thrive and all of the corruption makes even this cheap form of warfare expensive and a hassle and that is before taking sanctions into account.

Please define a drone statement since I have no idea how that can happen. Okay you are speaking nonsense. Poorly trained conscripts are not anything an advanced military unit wants to use as pilots.

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u/Little_Head6683 1d ago

Shelling cities into oblivion is hardly an ancient tactic. Drones and cruise missiles are also more than precise enough to hit the targets they want to further into unoccupied territory. The Russians just like to hit playgrounds and hospitals while they're also hitting energy infrastructure.

No warfare is cheap, so I've got no idea what you mean with that. Russia isn't just making more drones. They're making a LOT more. They've apparently built a massive stockpile because the number of Russian drones that have been encountered in Kursk lately has been shocking. They're also fibreglass drones, which are currently a lot harder to counter than the mostly radio controlled drones used by Ukraine currently.

What do you mean by drone statement? Do you mean stalemate? You know what a stalemate is, right? Like the situation that we have been having in Ukraine for the past 3 years?

Poorly trained conscripts are excellent for drone warfare because it requires much less training than infantry warfare to be effective. Let alone the immense amount of training required for combat vehicles. Especially in a drone rich environment. Telling me I'm speaking nonsense isn't only false, it's also disrespectful.

It's clear you're just here to push your POV. Keep pushing your narrative without accepting reality. I'm not going to waste my time here anymore. Won't change a thing anyway. 👋

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u/BRXF1 1d ago

has relied heavily on carpet bombing

Bombing even with unguided munitions is not carpet bombing. Carpet bombing is sending in the B-52s to turn a few square kilometers to dust.

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u/lovethebacon 2d ago

And also drone parts are so much cheaper now. You can build a racing fpv 5" drone for $100. That would have been $1000 before the war.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Yeah it's a great and cheap way to deterrent against an invading force.

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u/bignibba2320 1d ago

It doesn't matter who it is, people dying is bad. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

If you are getting invaded by someone who will destroy everything you know and care for. Then killing is a must, because there is nothing else you can do to stop it and only one side holds the responsibility of it all and it's the attackers. If not..then you should read up on what "benevolent of evil" means.

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u/bignibba2320 1d ago

No shit, people dying is still bad. Any person, anywhere. I feel bad for all the people who have died idgaf about their shithole countries or the warlords running them.

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u/Riaayo 2d ago

Drone warfare is absolute hell. There is no redeeming quality to it.

We're watching a nightmare being birthed.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

When was war not hellscape??

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u/Riaayo 1d ago

Do you really think I'm implying war is not hell?

The idea that it can't get worse is absurd. One side suddenly not putting soldiers' lives on the line while killing the other side isn't some sort of improvement, unless your mindset is that you want your country to be able to wage war without cost.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

The reason I don't think it can become much worse is we already have the terrifying solution to terrifying problems: the atom bomb. It's been a great deterrent for people to think twice before attacking their neighbors.

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u/WestQ 2d ago

Imagine being a brainwashed bot, that has to come on non related subreddits so spread his "0 Knowledge about geopolitics". Have a tea buddy. Breathe and go defend Ukraine instead of talking. I bet you haven't even donated to them.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

I have donated. How am I a bot to you? Your respond seems way more robotic and rigid.

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u/WestQ 2d ago

Checked your profile. Bot alert 100% all the answers are rage baits.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

So you are a bot. I thought as much.

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u/Partyrockers2 2d ago

Bro hits him with the "but they deserved to get killed"🤓

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Yeah? Scum who do not care about their neighbors and only want them for their land are not humane and should be treated with a firm backhand. It's the only language abusers understand.

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u/G3N0 2d ago

But on the other hand, one side not needing to feel the cost of war makes committing war crimes and unchecked slaughter far too easy. See the ongoing genocide in gaza.

There is no risk to bombing helpless civilians, what motive is there to stop it? The disconnect has only brought out the inhumanity in some people.

Hope Ukraine and Palestine are one day free from their occupiers.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

That is a slaughter, not war. Slaughter is as old as war and should have stayed in the middle ages. The only way is to condemn Israel's actions and sanctions and I think the US should stop supporting them so hard. That would shut them up real quick.

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u/NotJokingAround 2d ago

Gross oversimplification. 

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u/Duke_Almond 2d ago

The russian soldiers are being forced to fight the war. Their families are probably at risk if they decide not to fight. Why do you think there are russian soldiers surrendering to the ukranians.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Because they arent getting fed and are lied to and left open and alone on the battlefield. I've heard plenty of the terror Putin's regime does to control them. It does not excuse any of it.

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u/Duke_Almond 2d ago

I am not saying it excuses anything. I am just saying that them just staying home if they did not like the killing of innocents is quite insensitive considering many of them are doing it unwillingly with the lives of their family at stake.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

That just makes it all the more fucked up to be fighting then, but yeah, that does not leave much of a choice, if you got wife and kids.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 2d ago

I would say the videos that Ukraine has released has cost them a ton of support. So many unethical/ potentially illegal actions using drones- and they published them all for general consumption. It’s like the IDF posting videos on X not wondering why people don’t love it. At the very least, we haven’t defined drone use in battle, but when we do, I can assure you that Ukraine will not be used as a positive use case.

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u/Grimour 2d ago

Haven't defined drone use?? What are you even pointing to...drones can't execute orders without oversight. I think that is a pretty defining rule.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 2d ago

I’m saying drones’ use in warfare is so new that the UN and other governing bodies have not agreed on laws to dictate when and how we can use them. It will likely take the a bad actor deploying 100,000+ drones all loaded with bombs and targeting civilians with AI to get the globe to sit down and talk about it. The world is enamored with the Chinese drone shows- as a pragmatist, I know it’s just a 5 minute grenade add on to make on of those swarms what they will inevitably become, a merchant of death. 

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Dude you aren't thinking straight. Wtf would the purpose of this be? Grenade drops require prepositioning and timing, not something easily done by an AI and especially not for cheap.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 1d ago

The question isn’t can those swarms be weaponized, it’s when will they deploy it- they’d just make them single use and cost per unit would be insanely cheap. Detonate on impact. Now imagine a million drones, 2 million, ten million- all deployed on a single metro- more effective than a nuke. It’s insane, but literally could all fit on a container ship. 

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u/Grimour 1d ago

Sure use buzz words. That'll make it seem more reasonable surely. That'll never happen. It takes time to set up, you need to be fairly close to the target and you need a huge unknown production line running for years and years. Ukraine who get donations from across the world and are fighting for their lives only produced 4.5 million drones last year. I don't see how a terrorist organization would make that remotely possible.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 1d ago

Ukraine is barely a nation and they made almost 5 million? What about China? Who said it had to be a terrorist cell? No all you’d need is a program written to target people on a SD card, they’d be on a charge station until they arrived, easily known with GPS, and they’d self deploy on command- the swarms in China function just like this. 

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u/Grimour 1d ago

You describe a terrorist attack. I don't think a metro station is a valid target, but sure China could, but again. 30 km range on those smaller drones isn't gonna get you world dominion over night.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 1d ago

I meant a metropolitan area- think millions of drones, an 80% success rate- simultaneously deployed to major hubs or military bases- and there is no driver to require a signal, all programmed to seek and destroy using camera and an algorithm. China could do this now. I’m not saying they would, but short of nuclear war, what would have such an impact for such a low cost and think of what it would cause the one attacked to do…. They’d have to decide to send huge amounts of signal blocking tech to areas they wanted to protect, but really everyone would just hide. 

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u/EmotionallyAcoustic 1d ago

Ya know the Russians got drafted right?

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u/Dude-Hiht875 1d ago

It's fancy how you managed to combine in your head the dictator and its RUAF just staying home because they don't want to kill innocents.

It's of the same vibe as saying that USAF could just tune in the broadcasts of the 2003 international rallies and redecide what they should do.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

But they do enjoy the killing. Sure look for humanity in a country who left civil rights forever ago.

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u/Dude-Hiht875 1d ago edited 1d ago

Another casual dehumaniser of people. I guess your moral code is superior, your soul bears no sin. And all the responsibility and blame are on the individual executors of the orders.

The country goes sideways since the moment of hyperextension of the security services.

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u/Grimour 1d ago

We cannot even prove that we have a soul, but sure be religious and ambiguous. That has worked great for humanity so far.

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u/Dude-Hiht875 1d ago

Am I being religious AND ambiguous? I clearly say that find in footage what you want to find. You don't use a lot of brain power to process what you've seen. It reminds me of the arguments of the United States racists: «look at the bright 1% of some group of people and draw "conclusions" from that»

The majority of people here are, translating to American, white trash trying to restart their miserable life that's caused by not adapting to the modern times and desiring to life as life was before them. They receive 10 years salary in a shitty provincial enterprise. 10 freaking years. Immediately after signing the contract with the devil. And that's if we omit their salary that's compatible with middle management salaries