r/marvelstudios • u/pje1128 Kilgrave • 2d ago

Article Wilson Fisk/Kingpin Cannot Appear in Movies, Only TV Series, Daredevil’s Vincent D’Onofrio Reveals

https://tvline.com/news/wilson-fisk-kingpin-no-movies-only-tv-vincent-donofrio-1235428964/

I don't think this was public knowledge before, but I suppose it makes sense since Kingpin is as much a Spider-Man villain as he is Daredevil. I assume Sony owns his film rights, but Marvel is still able to use him on TV, so maybe they could get him in a Spider-Man movie at least? D'Onofrio doesn't even seem confident about that though, so who knows.

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u/Hippo_in_limbo Black Panther 2d ago

This means they'll never meet.

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u/Falser455 2d ago

Marvel has the spider-man TV rights, so in theory spider-man could appear in D:BA S2 if kingpin isn't killed off by then.

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u/Business_File3556 2d ago

Only the animation rights

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u/CatStretchPics 2d ago

What if an animated spider-man swung into live action DD, and everybody just ignored the fact he was animated. Problem solved! :p

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u/zfcjr67 2d ago

I had suggested some "push the line" thoughts, like having a goon being pulled off set and all you see is the web rope and a silhouette of a web on a wall. Maybe even DD saying "thanks buddy".

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u/DreadSocialistOrwell 2d ago

Into the Spiderverse should have had D'Onofrio voice the Kingpin and I wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd Spiderverse film doesn't have Kingpin return in some way.

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u/AuroraHalsey SHIELD 2d ago

Isn't Spiderman CGI most of the time he's masked? Does it count as animation if there's no footage of the actor and it's just CGI and voice over work?

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u/amadiro_1 1d ago

Mocap performances count too

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u/suss2it 1d ago

It doesn't remotely matter lol. You guys are looking for loopholes like Disney would tank their beneficial relationship with Sony just for a cameo.

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u/SUPREMACY_SAD_AI 1d ago

i dont feel so good mr stark

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u/Chirotera 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yeah, but it wouldn't be Tom Holland. So it'd be completely pointless.

Anyways, Daredevil or Matt Murdock appeared in a Spider-Man film so I don't see why Kingpin would be an impossibility unless Sony just flat out refused the idea.

Edit: Sounds like it's because of some legal mumbo jumbo because Kingpin is a shared character. I imagine if Sony opens that door it complicates the legality of other such shared characters where rights are owned in one medium but not another.

Which ultimately really sucks. No one wins, not even the studios. Throwing your most popular TV characters into the mix with your most popular hero seems like such a no brainer. A Daredevil and Spider-Man movie with them taking on Kingpin and villains like Scorpion would do crazy well and we fans have been salivating for it for a while.

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u/CyclingUpsideDown Spider-Man 2d ago

The “shared character” thing also applied to the Maximoff twins before Disney bought Fox.

They’re both mutants, but also were associated with the Avengers in the comics. So Fox were able to use them as mutants, with no reference to the Avengers, and Marvel Studios/Disney were able to use them as Avengers with no reference to them being mutants.

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u/starsandbribes 2d ago

I’m always giggling at the idea that these Ivy State lawyers who have never read a comic book in their life are in a room discussing character lore, powers and associations in order to work out if Disney or Sony are allowed to make money with them.

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u/artifa 2d ago

That is a funny scenario to imagine, but you'd be surprised the varied interests that people have from all walks of life.

It's like being surprised nerds are sports fans just because they weren't jocks in high school. Heard of sabermetrics? Nerds and geeks are everywhere.

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u/Kingpin1232 Wilson Fisk 2d ago

Brad Winderbaum already said they can’t use Spider-Man in Born Again because they don’t have the live action TV rights. They only have the animated rights above 30 minutes, anything after that and it’s Sony’s.