I find it odd that people think games can just cost $60 forever, this is what we paid in the 90s for games, like at some point they were bound to raise with inflation. Did people expect to still be paying $60 in 2045 too?
Yeah, tbh I was upset then I thought about this too, when I was like, a wee lad (I'm 21 now) the 360 games were like 60 dollars. We've had a recession and a whole plague outbreak but the price has only went up very recently. I don't think there would be any outrage about the price if wages also went up and people's basic needs were covered for
I just think the outrage is misplaced, like the economy is somehow Nintendo's fault.
Shit, in high school I could get a beefy 5 layer burrito at Taco bell for a buck, that shit costs like 4x as much now but I don't blame Taco Bell specifically for that.
Nintendo's getting a lot of blame here because of console war mentality that doesn't exist for many other markets. Like, there are no Del Taco fanboys to make memes like this about Taco Bell, no Walmart defenders who meme when the price of something at target rises, etc.
Exactly, basically everything everyone buys has increased in price except video games, how are people this shocked and outraged when games finally catch up. Sure these companies make a ton of money, but they can't just be expected to take a loss because people want video game prices to stay the same for their entire lives while everything else raises with inflation.
Google when the last time the American federal wage increased and you'll see why at least so many Americans are upset. Costs go up, sure, but salaries have to go up.
Also with your mentality, why aren't we paying $100 to go see a movie?
The reality is -- it doesn't need to be $80. Nintendo is making plenty of money in so many other venues besides their games. Truth is, they can still make plenty of money, it's just greed.
We have been a spoiled community because in reality we have not had tons of price increases, so now when it finally happens we all pout and say it isnt fair
It’s a miracle 60$ was the price for as long as it was, he’s not supporting this, he’s just acknowledging basic inflation. Games are expensive af to make
How can you acknowledge the rising development costs for bigger and better looking games and not see how that isnt sustainable. They are making a (small) profit on 60 dollar games now, they cant keep doing that long term.
Dude they developed this game with the money from selling $60 games. The game IS developed. Whatever profit they're making right now was enough to develop this better looking game. Or do you think they will pay their developers after it sells?
No, of course not. And from this projection is where they adjust their future prices. But acting like this development is crippling them for not pricing the game at $80 is absurd when they made billions in profit while developing it and selling $60 games.
If they made it. Selling stuff at $60 AND made a profit, how is a 33% increase in what is JUST profit at this point, not greed?
So you keep costs low for a higher volume, then each game is a gamble. Following Nintendo ads so much dlc that essentially becomes call of duty. Ergo $60 with a bimonthly $30 battle pass. From a corpo perspective this could make more, but from a dev? Nah man that's hell, Nintendo makes games and not services primarily.
It's not their core business, not developed by them (it's by DeNa) and they've been winding it down. They only have three mobile games and they just turned Pocket Camp into a pay-to-own.
This conversation is so stupid since switch games are $60 and they are making a profit right now. Whether it's because of volume or saving in distribution.... It's working, they are making money right now.
They. Are. Making. A. Profit. Breath of the wild was wildly more sophisticated than skyward sword. Did they lose money there? Do you know for a fact that World didn't reuse some of MK8D's code? You don't, neither do I, would be weird if they didn't... But we don't know. All we know is the switch, right now, with sophisticated games at $60, is making an insane profit. That's it. Sure the switch 2 console can be more expensive but justifying $80 games when they're making a profit is absurd. Even more so since they're making a profit while developing it. Or do you think they will pay their devs after the game sells?
Last I checked Nintendo didn't go broke from developing this game, already developed, sustained from the sales of other games that cost $60. This makes no sense whatsoever
Just because they are making profit (Which you in reality dont know that 100%) Doesnt mean it is a huge profit, and it also still doesnt change, that EVENTUALLY, that development cost is going to catch up. It wasnt going to stay that way forever
This is also ignoring the fact that these switch 2 games probably took a higher development cost, then what switch 1 games cost. We are talking about a whole new console, that has way better performance.
It would be like comparing Xbox 360 game costs, to current gen Xbox game costs.
I do know... We do know. They release financial statements. If it were to catch up it wouldn't be after release... That's stupid. Again, they developed it while not selling it at $80 and didn't go in the red, we know they are making a profit right now while developing...
This is either stupid or clearly not in good faith, good day.
As opposed to you? I'm not saying I'm an analyst, you are. All I'm saying is the fact that they are making money right now. Developing this "super advanced" or whatever game, right now, paying for that development right now and still making billions in profit. That is a fact.
But of course you can't answer that so you just state something unrelated. Which actually might make you a better candidate for this position I guess
No, I’m not the one claiming they’re doing business wrong. Neither am I defending it, but you’re acting like you have their business model in your back pocket.
you're saying Nintendo should start willingly burning through cash reserves so that they can keep prices at $60 until they run out of cash reserves and then they would raise it up?
They wouldn't be burning through any reserves. The whole point as if they could sell these games at a reasonable price and still be making a reasonable profit. Reasonable profits don't pay for a second or third vacation home or yacht though.
no, reasonable profits do not matter at all to a public company. every quarter they have to make more profit than the last quarter. it's why they all go to shit.
exactly, it's not a good thing. So why is everyone in here gargling Nintendo's balls like it's inevitable? Its a choice they are making, not something they have to do or force going bankrupt.
Besides the fact that consoles not games mind you, have historically been sold at a lost, doesn't Nintendo make almost pure profit from their games because thy're first party?
Why are you acting like a company that made more profit in their last generation then they did from the 1980's until 2016 combined would be in trouble for pricing their games a bit more reasonably?
I mean that's great and all but doesn't address what I was saying to the person I was replying to. They aren't doing this because they aren't making money, or because inflation is keeping them from profit. Keeping prices where they are also wouldn't result in them "burning through cash reserves" like you suggested either. Like, I know companies are greedy I don't exist under a rock, but to act like they've been keeping prices low out of the goodness of their heart for so long or that unless they do they won't make money or start to lose money as you suggested is just silly.
Firstly, the new console can do 4K/60 so you will see game budgets increase to match the power of the system as developers find they can really pretty up their games now.
Secondly, high cash reserves is how Japanese companies operate. The country has about $4.8 trillion tied up in corporate cash reserves.
The businesses are extremely conservative with cash and make sure they have shitloads available in the event of a downturn in business.
Nintendo holding $9 billion in cash is not the equivalent of an American company doing so.
Oh boy 4k/60fps! On a handheld console. That almost certainly can't run anything at 4k unless docked and even then good luck because it's running on a modified tablet.
Why are you so okay with Nintendo charging next gen prices for last gen (graphics wise) games?
Bro even if they showed games running at 4k/60fps flawlessly for every game, I've been doing that on my PC since 2017. The games will not have cutting edge graphics and I have to ask again, why are you so okay with being charged next gen prices for last gen games? Like they're hyping HDR you can't be serious with this
Because even on a relatively average income for my country, the prices are still affordable to me and will provide more entertainment per hour than most forms of entertainment?
I'll gladly pay $80 for Mario Kart which I will play for years to come. I wouldn't pay $30 for a new assassins creed game or whatever looter/hero shooter dogshit is fotm.
If you think it's fun now, just wait until these people see the $80 pass through a 24% tariff and break $100 after tax. Assuming the trade war doesn't escalate any further.
It's not impossible, if the market grows, then that development cost can be split between more people. Or else you make it up in microtransactions. But yeah I agree the default expectation should be that it rises with inflation.
This is only true if you consider all games to be the same "size".
The problem is that games are getting bigger and bigger, take years to make and this raises the costs primarely. And btw, with lower financial risks, we might also get more experimental and innovative games, so a Win Win imo
But yeah, Nintendo has a unique stand where they basically have guaranteed sales, so I still totally agree that they messed up
A lot of people here completely missing that the games market has grown massively in the last 20 years. A long with making everything digital as opposed to the physical copies we used to get, prices were expected to go down, not up.
Look at companies earnings instead of their pricing to understand the economy of it. Contrast with average consumer income. People now have considerably less expendable income than they did 20 years ago.
Do you realise that the market for videogames has exponentially grown far faster than inflation or other nonsense you want to attribute to the newest pricing big companies want to put out their games?
They don't even pay for phyisical copies anymore and now they sell over 20 million copies for any half ass Pokemon game they released lmao.
Obviously games will go up in price, but when they are filled with micro transactions, and or the quality is really bad, there's no excuse to justify charging more money
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u/Tortue2006 23h ago
I don’t have a problem with a higher price, although 80 bucks is quite a bit. I have a problem with salaries not going up as well.