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China to impose 34% retaliatory tariff on all goods imported from the U.S.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/china-to-impose-34percent-retaliatory-tariff-on-all-goods-imported-from-the-us.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
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u/billythygoat 1d ago

You know, if China is starting to seem like the more reasonable country, there’s a problem.

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u/Offduty_shill 1d ago edited 1d ago

China is predictable and acts in its own interest with long term plans.

The U.S is now an oligarchy where every 4 years we completely re-align on all our goals and values if the party changes.

This cannot continue. Presidential power is completely out of control, congress is not functional and the supreme court has been captured by one party.

If you're an ally how can you rely on the U.S? One crazy getting elected, which we now see is not at all unlikely since over 50% of people support the idiot, means completely flipping the paradigm on international relations and trade. Even if you align with US values more China is going to look more and more attractive as you'd rather have a predictable and stable partner that you sometimes disagree with than one that's just a wildcard.

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u/PurposeUsed7066 1d ago

The only bad rap I heard about China before moving to the US was poor quality of products. And yet their products were still number one. I don’t think I’d ever actually seen a US product till I moved here, but funny enough I still see more Chinese products than American or elsewhere. So I’d say the China = bad perspective doesn’t have much merit anywhere else. China does a lot, and if the US doesn’t wise up they can take full market control.

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u/TotesRaunch 1d ago

China makes nearly every consumer product we use in the US. Quality wise it's a based on the bottom line and price point.

A large portion of products are literal trash while others are better than anything you can get made elsewhere. It all comes down the cost, and companies know we'll settle for trash if it's cheap enough.

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u/Victorydiaz11 1d ago

This is why we come back to authoritarian regimes anyway… it’s cyclical. Have one man assert power over political branches deeming said other branches useless while raising the power of the executive branch.

There’s no point in our government if congress is not functional and we have one sided judicial rule. It’s infuriating everyday people can see what you and I see.

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u/react_dev 23h ago

I’m starting to appreciate Civ the game, where different kinds of gov has its own benefits. It truly is more nuanced than democracy #1

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u/nonowords 1d ago

Yeah, it doesn't matter if we align with 99% of other countries' values if we only do it 50% of the time.

And it's not just that we elected the maniac it's that we did it saw what happened, then did it again. This wasn't some one off fluke anymore this is just the expected behavior of america as a country for the foreseeable future.

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u/OkDepth528 15h ago edited 15h ago

"It doesn't matter if we align with 99% of other countries' values" By "other countries," you mean Western countries, right? I don't think ~1/3 of the planet much appreciated being bombed/invaded by the US from the end of WW2-present. https://www.maurer.ca/USBombing.html

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u/nonowords 10h ago edited 10h ago

~1/3

Interesting, I wonder if including all of china for bombings that occurred in the course of repatriating korean and japanese citizens while china was eating itself inflated those numbers at all. China was also bombing itself so we should be sure to include their 17% of the global population if we ever do calculations for them too.

Also many of these countries are now (or until a little bit ago were) our allies.

TBC i never gave how many people, or how many countries 'align 99%' yes it would probably primarily be western countries. But it would also include places like south korea, japan, mexico, and many of our Major Non-NATO allies, many of whom are not 'western countries' I was talking in the context of this thread, where the topic was allies looking away from the US. So yes, that's also a lot of western countries, which your point would include basically all of if you decided to expand from the 80 years your article picked to 90 years.

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u/Professional_Storm94 1d ago

Thank god I only have…checks math…60 more years of living

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u/Hippo_n_Elephant 1d ago

China is predictable and acts in its own interest with long term plans.

Definitely. This is also very apparent if people follow UN politics. If you look at how China is voting in both UN general assembly and security council meetings, you will find that China seemed to be voting on the opposite side as the West (US and EU countries) during the Biden administration but now they seem to be voting with EU countries. If you look more into their voting pattern (when do they vote for the motion/abstain/vote against), you’ll realize that China has always been consistent with their goals and long term plans. Their seemingly shift is entirely due to US’s massive shift.

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u/neoh666x 19h ago

Maybe one day I'll become expatriated.

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u/VicenteOlisipo 17h ago

Don't worry, there won't be any 4 year party realignment in the US any time soon

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u/besthelloworld 17h ago

Just for the record, it was under 50%. Trump won plurality, not majority. Still disturbing, but important to remember.

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u/SyzygyZeus 6h ago

This is what I’ve been saying. It really isn’t appealing to be teamed up with an ally that every four years can potentially just decide the complete opposite of what it believes to be the best course of action

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u/Tirth0000 1d ago

In this case they are. Not what just seems. The American president has lost his senses and everyone appears more reasonable relative to a senseless man.

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u/budgefrankly 1d ago

The American president has lost his senses

He's doing exactly what he promised to do.

It's the American people, coddled by Facebook & Fox, who have collectively lost their senses electing a senseless felon to run the country.

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u/LiquidAether 1d ago

Propaganda works.

So does election fraud.

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u/budgefrankly 1d ago

Trump's never had less than 40% support at any point in the last eight years. That's not election fraud, that's the electorate.

And as for propaganda: yes it exists, but there's no "state broadcaster" in the US. All the old new channels still exist. People are choosing Fox, OANN and the rest because it's easy and makes them feel good (even if it's feeling good about believing things are bad).

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u/rczrider 1d ago

People are choosing Fox, OANN and the rest because it's easy and makes them feel good (even if it's feeling good about believing things are bad).

While this is true, it's only half the story.

The puppet masters behind the Republican party are far from stupid and their (literal) evil genius was recognizing the long game.

They carefully worked their way up through the system, manipulating local politics and the electoral configuration of the nation to slowly bring everything farther right. The average "Democrat" politician is right of center. Use of the word "liberal" is a joke.

While this was happening, they attacked education, dumbing down their voting base and turning them into single-issue voters. They gave their new dogs a bone and let them chew on it, then told them the left was coming to take that bone away. Doesn't matter that it wasn't true; the GOP base is now too dumb to realize the bone isn't the problem, it's that the GOP is taking away their food bowl all the while.

Conservatives "choose" right-wing media partly (mostly?) because they're stupid. The GOP made them stupid. The GOP also encourages hatred, so these stupid people are also angry at what the GOP is doing to them, but because they're stupid, they don't realize the GOP is their real enemy.

Don't get me wrong, my capacity for sympathy and understanding is gone. The conservative voting base - and high-horsed non-voters, let's not forget those assholes - are the reason the US is speed-running its collapse. I hope they suffer, a lot and quickly, because it's the only chance we have that they'll wake the fuck up.

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u/MikeinAustin 1d ago

It’s not the overall number. It’s the states that are swing states. You just need to win by 1000 votes and you get the electoral college.

He has 20% of the vote in non-rural counties. The … ignorant.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 1d ago

I challenge you to listen to some focus groups where MAGA voters talk about what they want. This is their core values... hating foreigners, hating trans, hating gays, hating liberals. If it's propaganda, is indistinguishable from their true selves. Every stupid thing Trump does, they relish in. If Trump was gone, the dumbest among them would rise to carry on this madness.

This is why every country on Earth is prepping for a world without the US leading. It's why bitter rivals (China, South Korea, and Japan) are setting up a new trade sphere without us. The problem isn't Trump, it's how frankly straight up evil Americans are. He may pass, this evil isn't going anywhere.

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u/LiquidAether 1d ago

MAGA voters

Those people do not make up 50% of the electorate. The problem is the "independents" who barely pay attention to the news and get their information from sound bites.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 1d ago

Listen to the focus groups with those voters, they're even more unhinged. And, about half of them are unhinged in a way that aligns with Trump (since good times or bad he gets about half that bother to vote). Hence, why the election is aways really close.

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u/Fritja 1d ago

Yes, stop blaming Trump. Blame Americans who voted for him and those who couldn't be bothered to vote.

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u/strangebrew3522 1d ago

The American president has lost his senses

He never had senses to begin with. He's a moron who was born rich, has been surrounded by yes men his entire life, has never had to face consequences for his actions, and has never personally lost despite horrible actions and decisions.

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u/BAF_DaWg82 1d ago

He was reallllly close to facing consequences and then American voters were like "nah"

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u/Educational_Bus8810 1d ago

He sold Shirts with his mug shot to help win.

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u/hollowhermit 1d ago

That were most likely made in China!

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u/solarpanzer 1d ago

Also congress.

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u/VLM52 1d ago

They had 4 years to get their shit together and actually do something, and twiddled their thumbs the whole time.

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u/BAF_DaWg82 1d ago

A lot of moving parts worked against each other to not make this happen in the four years he was out of office. Us voters slammed the door shut on it ever happening.

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u/windowman7676 1d ago

The key phrase here is, " never had to face consequences for his actions". He has used power, position and the American legal system to avoid real loss that " hurt".

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u/Deeliciousness 1d ago

It's pretty pathetic that a low-grade grifter was able to co-opt the American government and send it's economy crashing down.

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u/BlackJesus1001 1d ago

It's not like he did it himself, he's pretty much openly taking orders from Russia at this point with their exemption from tariffs and the demands to release marine le pen.

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u/Specialist_Brain841 1d ago

with russias help

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u/strangebrew3522 1d ago

Yep, and when people say "Why does he keep doing/saying these stupid things!?" I just think, why not? The most honest thing he's said is that he could shoot someone on 5th ave and get away with it.

Everything he has ever done or said has led him to becoming the most powerful person on Earth....twice. Why would you ever change how you behave?

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u/Alinos31 1d ago

And he still won’t. He and his friends and family are making bank with the market volatility while we shake in our boots wondering what’s going to happen next.

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u/AtticaBlue 1d ago

Ironically, we do know what’s going to happen next: mass economic dislocation, up to and including a “Great Depression,” and the guaranteed end of the US as the world’s leading economic and political power.

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u/picklerick8879 1d ago

Exactly. He’s the final product of unchecked privilege — a man so insulated from reality he mistakes applause for truth and lawsuits for strategy. Consequences are for everyone else.

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u/RichEvans4Ever 1d ago

The American people lost their sense when they elected him. This was always the plan. He campaigned on torching our economy and the voters said “Yes, please. As long as you seem like a cool, big man 😎”

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u/Streamjumper 1d ago

They see that he has lots of money and can relate more to working to make money than being born into it, so they assume that he worked hard and smart for what he has.

They completely ignore that he started out by inheriting a lot, and has continuously fucked up and lost money. If he simply went with safe investment options for a few decades he'd be even richer than he pretends he is.

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u/pussycatlover12 1d ago

He really though everyone will just go along with all his whims.

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u/qtx 1d ago

The thing with people like Trump, 'strong arm' business types, is that they are so used to intimidate singular people into doing what they want that they confuse actual countries with singular persons.

You can't intimidate a country like you can a contractor.

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u/even_less_resistance 1d ago

I think someone on Trump’s team anticipated this and that’s why they’ve were trying to extort Ukraine so heavily for the mineral rights

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u/qtx 1d ago

Nah, Ukraine and Greenland are still part of their bigger picture.

If they want to be able to start making things in the US again they need minerals.

The idea behind it all (to bring industry back to the US) is a good one but they are going about it in such a catastrophic way.

They could've achieved that goal with normal diplomacy as well. But they played their cards so incredibly fast that that goal is no longer achievable.

They could've made fair deals with countries to provide them the chance to bring back industry to the US but instead they went out full on crazy.

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u/Bromlife 1d ago

If you want to be the reserve currency then you can’t be the world’s manufacturing base. Sorry, it’s just not possible.

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u/even_less_resistance 1d ago

I don’t think it is a good idea? I don’t think it’s good to turn inward instead of outward. These all feel like steps back. It is ridiculous to still have a world ruled by toddlers. Manufacturing isn’t going to be bringing back jobs. It is going to go mostly to AI and their robots. That’s why they are scrambling to develop this shit. They don’t want to pay people what they are worth.

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u/Streamjumper 1d ago

Part of me hopes they get away with the resource grab so I can see the looks on the faces of the "bring manufacturing back to the US crowd" when the fully automated plants open up and every one of the relatively small crews that keep the robots working turn out to be work-visa minions. If they hate immigrants that are "taking the jobs" they don't want now, imagine the apopleptic rage they'll express when the only way they can make money is providing services to the immigrants "stealing" the jobs that were created because those guys are the only ones with anything resembling disposable incomes...

Can you imagine some red-hat having to ask "Thank you for ordering from Dal Hut. Would you like a side of naan with your butter chicken?" at a drive-thru?

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u/pegar 1d ago

There is no idea. There is no logic. That was all a ruse to distract people from how badly they're fucking the American people.

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u/Rinkus123 1d ago

In a lot of cases they are, at this point

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u/SliceIka 1d ago

He never lost his senses, he is a convicted felon that was allowed to roam free and still allowed to run for president, of course he will do whatever fk he wants

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u/hiS_oWn 1d ago

I have a question, if you really wanted to get china to play on equal footing, why not push to get china "developing nation" status revoked by the UN. It allows them many preferential treatments by various treaties and organizations that otherwise would put them on a more equal level to other countries. It would require a lot of soft power, negotiating with allies and other countries and.... Oh...

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u/kinglizardking 1d ago

Maybe you are starting to see what the rest of the world sees

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u/AltoCowboy 1d ago

Have you seen China lately? Those guys seem pretty on the ball. Comparing American infrastructure to Chinese infrastructure is no contest. Does America even have a high speed train?

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u/RN2FL9 1d ago

Roughly 100 miles in the US, China already 27.000 miles of it and has another 10.000+ under construction. They have an entire high speed rail grid system. They are also adding renewable energy at an insane rate while electrifying their transportation. They used to drive the oil market, because they don't have much of it, but that has already shifted. Their long game is impressive.

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u/Kirk_Kerman 1d ago

They've achieved basically every 5 Year Plan green energy goal early, time and again. Last year, China added more green energy to their grid than the rest of the world did, combined, ever.

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u/HyperionCantos 1d ago

Except for soccer (football)

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u/ZeEa5KPul 1d ago

Eh, I'll take it. If the build sacrifices football prowess for domination of all advanced technology and massive development, that's a tradeoff I'm willing to make.

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u/Kirk_Kerman 1d ago

China's basically at parity in terms of computer chip manufacturing, and is leaping ahead in every other domain. Even MiHoYo, mostly known for Genshin Impact, are funding research into nuclear fusion.

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u/bigthickdaddy3000 1d ago

They seem to be butt at nearly all team sports, including their diaspora globally honestly don't know why.

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u/Draxx01 1d ago

Because the entire sports focus was designed in a utilitarian fashion regarding maximizing olympic medals. Team sports are higher cost for lower ROI vs 1 gymnast or swimmer winning multiple. Now that those fields are fully self sufficient they are only now pivoting to teams.

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u/MoltenReplica 1d ago

Amazing what a state can achieve when its goals are to improve quality of life, rather than chase quarterly profits.

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u/sly_cooper25 1d ago

That's one of the benefits of authoritarian government. You don't need as much political will to steer the country in your preferred direction.

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u/Offduty_shill 1d ago

And we're now the example why authoritianism is bad because our authoritarian wants to start a trade war with the world rather build modern infrastructure.

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u/sly_cooper25 1d ago

Yeah I'm definitely not advocating for that as a good system. Plenty of examples in China as well as to why authoritarianism is bad.

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u/onFIREbutnotsoFLY 1d ago

yeah meanwhile our authoritarian govt focuses on the needs of the rich :/

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u/bigjeffreyjones 1d ago

That's one of the downsides of authoritarian government. You don't need as much political will to steer the country in your preferred direction.

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u/yeahright17 1d ago

You also don’t have to deal with farmers preventing you from building high speed rail through their property or NIMBYs preventing you from building an apartment building that will house hundreds. You just do it.

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u/ZeEa5KPul 1d ago

It doesn't work that way. Look up "nail houses."

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u/yeahright17 1d ago

I’m very aware of nail houses. But they aren’t actually all that common. China has over a billion people, so there are lots of examples. That doesn’t mean it’s a common occurrence. Moreover, they happen because local municipalities or commercial developers don’t want to go through the headache of forcing eviction. On the other hand, the railway is run by the central government, who have no problem evicting people if they won’t sell.

That said, nail houses don’t even counter my examples. No one in a nail house can prevent a developer from building an apartment building nearby. They’re in nail houses specifically because of such surrounding development. Moreover, housing has a different status in China than agricultural land. China will go out of its way to keep someone in their house. They won’t if it just means take some farmland.

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u/Air-Keytar 1d ago

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, it's true. When you have an authoritarian in power who has a few good ideas they have nothing stopping them from implementing them. Not saying it's a good system but as we can see it does have some benefits. The flip side of the coin is that if they have some really bad ideas then the same principle applies.

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u/whynonamesopen 1d ago

Xi Jinping was sent to a labour camp during the cultural revolution so he knows what happens when a government fails to deliver for its people. I think that day at McDonald's was one of the few days Trump physically worked outside of a golf course.

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u/UnsureOfAnything666 1d ago

You don't understand Chinese society or government stfu

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u/Fireudne 1d ago

No we have.... i-95. Yeah we're cooked

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u/TotesRaunch 1d ago

Command economy. If they want to run a train through your land or any land they just do it. There's little to no environmental impact research and no individual state regulations, etc.

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u/Intricatetrinkets 1d ago

“I’m from the future. You should go to China.”

The movie Looper starting to fall into The Simpsons category of predictions.

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u/kicampoon123 1d ago

Not at all. America gas lit the world into thinking they were awesome (whilst bombing it/over throwing democracies to advance their interests). China keeps their shit internal and haven't bombed anyone for the past 50 years or so. An average world citizen was exponentially threatened more by America than China. Theres an easy argument to make they're more reasonable than America

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u/whereismymind86 1d ago

China has been actively engaged in a genocide against their Uighur Muslim population for a decade and funds proxy wars all over the place.

They aren’t any better than the us, they are just better at keeping the horror discrete

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u/millertime85k 1d ago

They aren’t any better than the us

If you look at the volume of suffering that the US inflicts, China is substantially better than the US. Their whole strategy is to not appear violent whilst achieving their strategic goals. They can be violent nowadays but that is the final option in much of their decision making. As such, they kill a lot less.

As a state, they do a lot of harm as well. No one is saying their deals are altruistic. But there's no comparison from a human lives point of view that China has been easier on the rest of the world in recent history.

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u/kicampoon123 1d ago

Who'd they last bomb again? Remind me

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u/OkDepth528 14h ago edited 14h ago

The US has bombed and/or invaded ~1/3 of the world between the end of WW2 and now. Please read more about American foreign intervention. It is objectively the most destructive currently existing empire by a landslide.

https://www.maurer.ca/USBombing.html

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u/Realistic-Shower-654 1d ago

So is the us though lmfao

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u/Thiccwetlips69 1d ago

You’re right though; I have no idea why you were downvoted.

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u/TangentTalk 1d ago

A number of people don’t call it a genocide, because China doesn’t appear to be intentionally killing them.

You could make an argument for “cultural” genocide, but that’s also something very different.

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u/ender89 1d ago

Iran said they would stand with Canada against the United States. We're officially Nazi Germany.

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u/Turing_Testes 1d ago

I mean, of course they said that, it’s too easy of an opportunity to troll the US. Iran doesn’t give a flying fuck about Canada, but they do give a flying fuck about seeing the US falter.

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u/Agile-Fly-3721 1d ago

Women in Iran have more rights than in America's ally Saudi Arabia 

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u/Fambank 1d ago

I ran so far away.

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u/BullAlligator 1d ago

Iran's been allies with China since the Cold War. In the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, the US and USSR supported Iraq while China supported Iran.

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u/binarybandit 1d ago

You might want to double check your history, as Iran was historically invaded and occupied by Great Britain and the Soviet Union in WW2 after they got a little too cozy to Nazi Germany.

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u/anoldoldman 1d ago

As opposed to what?

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u/Daxx22 1d ago

NOT fascists?

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u/anoldoldman 1d ago

No I mean Iran standing against the US. That's not abnormal.

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u/Purple_Plus 1d ago

"seems".

I'd say China is currently acting like a more reasonable country. They engage with international organizations, whereas the US wants to pull out of all of them. Even the way they vote in the UN is more reasonable.

The last war they started or were fully a part of was is 1979. How many wars has the US started or participated in since then?

I guess it depends what your definition of a "reasonable" country is.

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u/FapAttack911 1d ago

if China is starting to seem like the more reasonable country

Um, with all of the chaos, assassinations, genocides and overthrowing of democratically elected presidents... How is the US just now starting to seem more reasonable than China for you. I'm assuming you're American, because we in EU have been saying this for awhile

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u/NoPasaran2024 1d ago

Every country including North Korea is currently more reasonable than the US.

And China has always been reasonable. We may not like a lot of their politics and intentions, but they're not wildly unpredictable and unreliable in their foreign policy. Especially as long as we're willing to look the other way on human rights (which all capitalist countries are willing to do), doing business with China is not an issue.

The US is the least reasonably country on the planet. They do shit that simply makes no sense, not even ideologically. It's a child throwing tantrums, and we need to build a wall around it.

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u/chloesobored 1d ago

I think the problem is American propaganda. USA hasn't been the adult in the room in my lifetime. 

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u/_Ted_was_right_ 1d ago

Thinking they weren't very reasonable to begin with is proof American propaganda has done its job. How does it feel to realize you've been hoodwinked?

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u/drtropo 1d ago

Ask Taiwan or the Uyghurs about how reasonable China is.

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u/bz0hdp 1d ago

Do more research on the Uyghurs.

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u/FiggerNugget 1d ago

Ask the entire global south and the native americans how reasonable America and the West is

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u/Rinkus123 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ask the Indians or Mexicans in Gitmo and other concentration camps in El Salvador.

Or the people of Iraq or Afghanistan lol

There can be more than one piece of shit on the world

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u/fevered_visions 1d ago

nobody here is saying there's only one

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u/drtropo 1d ago

I am not defending the US. I am pointing out that just because we are mask off crazy, doesn't mean criticism if China is all American propaganda.

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u/iliketodrinkcoffee69 1d ago

What exactly has China done to Taiwan? It seems pretty diplomatic and peaceful. All the Sabre rattling comes from Taiwan and western countries. 

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u/bz0hdp 1d ago

Bro China's life expectancy is better than the US' and they haven't gone to war in 40 years.

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u/riggystardust 1d ago

As an Australian, I’m starting to see China as a closer ally than the US. That’s worrisome imo

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u/rtb001 1d ago

I guess you won't need those AUKUS nuclear subs you guys stabbed France in the back to order from uncle Sam then?

Although the way the US ship building industry is going you might not get those subs no matter what.

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u/Galacticwave98 1d ago

It always has been, you’ve just been listening to anti-China propaganda. Most Americans have. 

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u/Malaix 1d ago

They basically are at this point. The US is batshit. China is making so many gains through this. I guess silver lining is they might soften up their authoritative streak maybe?

And to think conservatives spent like the last 4 years claiming Biden sold us out to China. No president has done more to transfer US power and prominence to China than Donald Trump.

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u/akotlya1 1d ago

Most of what we "know" about china is western propaganda and the skewed perspectives of motivated ex-pats. China has demonstrated that they have the willingness and the ability to increase the standards of living for over a billion people. The US is actively looking for ways to impoverish the most vulnerable - children, the elderly, the infirm - all in the interests of enriching our oligarchs. MMW we will see American emigration to china accelerate over the next decade.

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u/tera_chachu 1d ago

China has always been a reasonable country when it comes to their own development.

Their manufacturing is crazy good.

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u/arkhamius 1d ago

Thay are more reasonable country than most of the world and it is showing, dunno what you are implying

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u/Fast_Buy7066 1d ago

MAGA right now is way more dangerous to the globe than China, as crazy as that may have sounded a couple months ago.

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u/Cavalish 1d ago

I’m not American. I view America in the same light as I view China or Russia. They no longer count against reasonable, functional countries. So yeah, China is absolutely the lesser of two evils right now.

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u/Professional-You2968 1d ago

They are what they are, but at least we know what to expect. Americans are backstabbers.

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u/SillySpoof 1d ago

In some sense they are. Sure, they’re a totalitarian dictatorship. But if I was a country I’d rather trade with them since at least I know what I’m gonna get. With US right now there is no guarantee of anything.

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u/Moreinius 1d ago

Despite china having a dipshit government, they still want their economy to grow. Meanwhile, Mr art of the deal trying to uninvent money or some shit.

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u/I_burn_noodles 1d ago

I'm envious of all their innovation, while back home we are promoting white nationalism, and a regime of corrupt idiots. I just want to ride a bullet train in my own country before I die.

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u/One-Internal4240 1d ago

David Wingrove's Chung Kuo series starting to look pretty on-the-nose.

America disintegrates in massive internal violence, world owned by a Chinese-styled global government with old Europe infrastructure and intellectual life, and there in the far future (200 years?) the new problems begin.

It's not exactly a good book but considering he started the damn thing in 1989 it's pretty prescient.

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u/pigonthewing 1d ago

I view china as a better ally than the USA right now… 3 months ago this would have been insane to even think in a drug fueled fever dream

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u/Kyle700 1d ago

China is absolutely 100% more reasonable in every possible way right now. Just go read their official statements. They sound professional and much more stable than any usa dictation

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u/MountainMan17 1d ago

They may not be our idea of "reasonable" but they aren't stupid. The same holds true for the Persians (Iranians). You don't survive for 5,000 years in those parts of the world by being stupid.

On the other hand, America, 248 years in...

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u/WIZARDBONER 1d ago

Not even just China. If you can get China, Korea, and Japan (countries who have a LONG history of issues and animosity toward each other) to band together against you, you've REALLY done something wrong.

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u/sylviaplath6667 1d ago

China is absolutely the chill ones. Decades of American propaganda has taken its toll on you all.

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u/UnsureOfAnything666 1d ago

Please enlighten us on how China wasn't a reasonable country

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u/xlsma 1d ago

China, or the general society/concept of it, has existed far longer than the US and has endured through all sorts of governmental policies and issues throughout time. In many points in history they were the most advanced in technology and had the strongest economy in the world, and in other points saw the destructive nature of poor government policies and mentality, so they are far more likely to behave reasonably than US where almost everything seems like a "first time".

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u/VizzzyT 12h ago

Unreasonable isn't a trait normally associated with China at all. They're well known for negotiation.

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u/Aazadan 6h ago

China is stable and predictable, which is what business wants and what markets want. Their terms aren't the best, but you know exactly what you're getting and can make solid long term projections for 5, 10, and even 50 years out and then price in the cost of doing business with them.

With the US you can no longer do that, and must price in a worst case scenario.

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u/picklerick8879 1d ago

Right? When the authoritarian state sounds more rational than the guy ranting in all caps from a golf cart, you know the empire’s officially in clown mode.

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u/Ionic_Pancakes 1d ago

In many ways, they have been for a while. But in the ways they aren't? Oh, brother.

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u/SchemeShoddy4528 1d ago

how is china doing exactly what the usa did making them look reasonable lol, interesting perspective

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u/Raidicus 1d ago

I don't even support the insanity of DJTs tarriffs, but the idea that China is "the more reasonable country" when they've been purposefully waging a trade war for the last 30 years is an insane take. In fact, had Trump just left his existing Chinese tarriffs in place and left it at that, he could've walked away saying at least he balanced the playing field for other countries (Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea, etc.).

No, China isn't "reasonable" - they're incredibly self-serving and have purposefully tried to destroy the manufacturing sector of pretty much every major economy in the world, while America just shrugged and figured all the blue collar workers would just retrain as something else...which never really happened and has directly led to the rise of blue collar populist accelerationism that got Trump elected in the first place.

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u/DavidlikesPeace 1d ago

China is led by a selfish regime who would happily murder you in your bed to hang onto power 

They remain more rational than this so-called democratically elected regime. Isn't it sad? 

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