Article/News California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414101
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u/Yourdataisunclean 1d ago
Coalition of the
willingnon-dumbshit blue states.This would be the best scenario. Protect states that won't vote for Trump/GOP anyways, maximize pain in red/swing states where more voters need to hear the message "Vote republican, vote recession", and help develop relationships with foreign leaders with the next batch of democrats likely to work in key leadership roles in the executive and legislative branch which will help recover our foreign relationships in the future.
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u/BrusqueBiscuit 19h ago
If the West Coast joined a trade alliance, it would be three contiguous states with a Canadian northern border and a Mexican southern border. You'd have access to deep sea ports and international flight routes. Hit 'em right in the logistics, bypass right at the points of entry. Clearly, this administration has no idea how things work, especially trade.
I call the trade alliance "The High Road" to make fun of the lack of morality from the tariffs and the way they always blame the neighbors for drug cartels.
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u/peacock_blvd 1d ago
I've been thinking about this - we're not the only country where menaces took power after a post pandemic recession. The non-batshit should really band together across borders and support each other...somehow.
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u/unknoter 20h ago
Been thinking about this too, we have the whole coast, up to Canada. We have ports, can't we just shuffle the goods between us from Canada. My knowledge is pretty limited so idk if this is a "greater Idaho" type of situation
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u/Yourdataisunclean 1d ago
I highly recommend this book for you then: https://peterturchin.com/announcing-my-new-book-end-times/
What you're seeing is incumbents being punished for not fixing the current cost of living crisis. This popular imiseration is a one of the big factors that contributes to political instability. Best way to help solve this problem on a personal level is get involved and advocate for solving these issues which will help the upcoming revolution/reform peroid be nicer to go through.
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u/passionatebreeder 18h ago
This is called insurrection and rebellion.
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u/Shot_Presence_8382 17h ago
You mean what the president is currently doing? Yeah...
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u/passionatebreeder 16h ago
No, the president is exercising his constitutional authority vested in him by the constitution.
States, and politicians engaged in this would be engaged in unconstitutional sedition
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u/RXDriv3r 9h ago
No, the president is wiping his ass with the Constitution.
States, and politicians engaged in this would be engaged in unconstitutional sedition
This part I can agree with.
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u/whenindoubtjs 1d ago
For all the bluster we hear about Texas succeeding....this, this is the kind of stuff successions start/stem from. A real, viable economic threat that leads to a formation of a collection of states attempting to preserve their economic and social status, unlike the stupid bluster every time Texas screams succession. This has heft behind it.
Who knows what happens...but we may well look on this announcement fifteen years from now and point to it as the start of whatever the future state of the United States might look like...or not, who knows.
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u/Em_Es_Judd 23h ago
*Secede and secession, fyi
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u/whenindoubtjs 18h ago
Haha thanks for the correction. English is not my first language (one of those nasty immigrants from the former soviet block you where warned about) and I've always had trouble with secede vs succeed and its various permutations.
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u/potato_for_cooking 1d ago
Im not trying to be a dick at ALL it just jarred me when I read it. Its seceding and secede.
Untill next time! or The more you know... depending on your meme preference.
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u/whenindoubtjs 18h ago
Haha thanks for the correction. English is not my first language (one of those nasty immigrants from the former soviet block you where warned about) and I've always had trouble with secede vs succeed and its various permutations.
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u/cloudtransplant 1d ago
As we should. Republicans are not living in reality. I hope whoever votes for them gets exactly the economic punishment they deserve.
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u/Jaye09 1d ago
Fingers crossed this is the starting point for Cascadia.
Let’s finally rid ourselves of the governance of the uneducated, poor Southern States.
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u/colganc 1d ago
Pacifica. Whole west coast.
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u/King_Killem_Jr 23h ago
Honestly I wish. I love the whole west coast, we'd be economically more powerful on our own.
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u/blightsteel101 1d ago
Ideally weat coast, new England, and the northern Midwest. Hell, we could take Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico too. The more territory we distance from Trump's influence, the better.
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u/MtFuzzmore 1d ago
States rights and all, correct?
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u/nivvis 1d ago
This is what they want. They think that by collapsing the fed corpos will be more powerful than states and they can have their “network state” / privatized government.
West coast needs to stand the fuck up. Idk what you name Cali Canada to NY but start coming up with some good ones.
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u/Gregory_Appleseed 1d ago
Let's just name it the Confederate states of America just to fuck with them.
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u/3x3Eyes 1d ago
I've got you covered: UCAS - United Canadian and American States
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u/WalkFirm 22h ago
But everyone is already in America. North, Central, South America. The US doesn’t own the name America. I really wish if they were going to change the Gulf of Mexico they would have names it gulf of americas, not America. It touches all three.
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u/Freakjob_003 19h ago
UCAS is from the Shadowrun tabletop setting, which takes place in a cyberpunk + fantasy dystopian future. The world broke into a mix of megacorporation extraterritoriality zones and smaller nations, one of which is the UCAS.
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u/DesignerBread4369 15h ago
I would love to see some kind of agreement between west coasts states to work together to operate as independently as possible from DC
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u/ComfortableEven5095 1d ago
But not like this - MAGA's
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u/HellyR_lumon 1d ago
Same with my body my choice: ok to use with vaccines, but god forbid it be a woman’s body.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 8h ago
Same with my body my choice: ok to use with vaccines, but god forbid it be a woman’s body.
...what in the radical revisionist history...
That slogan was used with vaccines, specifically because you were using it to advocate for rights protecting women's bodily integrity, but you failed to extend those same rights to every person in the case of vaccines.
Impressively, you've managed to invert the historical significance of that slogan.
edit:
Fuck me. I'm debating with a 10-day old karma farming account. Why do I do this...
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u/HellyR_lumon 8h ago edited 7h ago
I had to reset my account. Don’t get so upset. I get your logic but unfortunately it infringes on other people’s rights for safety from disease. Were you vaccinated as a child? Did you vaccinate your kids? I’m gonna go with yes because you’re too dumb to understand they MADE vaccines a political issue. And it never was before.
Vaccines protect EVERYONE against a disease, think current measles outbreak in Texas and children dying. If a woman has an abortion it doesn’t affect you. It’s ok to not agree with abortion. The debate will never be settled bc ppl have different beliefs. But that doesn’t give you a right to tell other people what they can believe. GTFOH.
Edit: you must be a man 😂
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u/Critical_Concert_689 7h ago
I'm not upset. I'm resigned. I should know better.
You can argue all you want about the specifics of vaccine efficacy, but it doesn't change the history, purpose, or context behind the use of the slogan itself.
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u/HellyR_lumon 3h ago
I get what you’re saying. You intentionally stole the phrase. Vaccines were only mandated in certain fields like healthcare. Were you forced to get a vaccine personally? Or did you have a choice in the matter ? Thank you for spreading the word of bodily autonomy and choice!!!
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u/BACKCUT-DOWNHILL 1d ago
Not really states are not constitutionally allowed to sign trade deals or tariff each other
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u/sterrre 1d ago
They can still negotiate and make agreements with other nation governments so long as the agreements don't contradict with any federal treaties or policies. And future federal policies preempt state agreements if they come into contradiction.
That's how California was able to do the Quebec cap and trade linkage and win in court.
It's not a economic agreement, they both agree to share emission scaling tools, it is a agreement between two foreign subnation governments.
I'm not sure if tariffs or trade would contradict a federal policy though.
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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago
Presidents aren't constitutionally allowed to deport citizens, yet he we are.
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u/BurpelsonAFB 1d ago
Only if an ice agent thinks the individuals tattoos are scary. It’s in the constitution
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u/Rollinco63 1d ago
What citizens have been deported??
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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago
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u/Rollinco63 7h ago
Nothing in that article classifies him as a citizen!!
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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 7h ago
You're right. My bad. "Legally protected person living in the United States granted sanctuary by the court."
Doesn't quite roll of the tongue as well though, does it.
Go lick a Nazi boot.
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u/Rollinco63 6h ago
More insults!! The tactic of the one with no valid argument!!
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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 6h ago
I never insulted you. I told you what to do. You seem set on doing it, so it was my way of saying "goodbye."
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u/youandican 13h ago
Wake up and smell the coffee. Guess you missed it because you had your head planted somewhere it should be.
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u/myquealer 22h ago
Presidents are not constitutionally allowed to create tariffs except during national emergencies and only for a limited time. Trump declared a national emergency yesterday based on our trade deficits that have existed for 50 years.
Imagine if congress would do their fcking job for a change....
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u/audaciousmonk 1d ago
The constitution that the president, GOP, and red states haven’t been following for years?
That one?
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u/serpentjaguar 22h ago
They definitely can't tariff each other, but there are many ways to implement something that functions like a trade deal while still obeying the letter of the law. States do it all the time. The DoJ can of course challenge any such arrangement in the courts, but I don't have a lot of faith in their competence under Bondi.
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u/Necessary_Salad1289 17h ago
The federal gov also has very little leverage over California. Biggest donor state by a huge margin (3:1 VS the runner up, New Jersey). The rest of the country is basically California's little bitch.
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u/monkeychasedweasel 1d ago
Read the US Constitution, and you will discover it is not at all. The Commerce Clause is pretty clear that states cannot engage in their own international trade.
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u/sur_surly 20h ago
If the president doesn't have to read or follow the Constitution and our established laws, why should California?
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u/Sardukar333 20h ago
That's the trouble with rules; if you stop following them eventually no one does.
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u/Mathwards 23h ago
It also says Congress has the power to decide how money is spent, and that funding allocated by Congress can only be rescinded by Congress, but that hasn't stopped Trump and Musk from just doing whatever they want anyway.
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 5h ago
Yeah with Trump wanting to withhold federal money from blue states, while the blue states are net payers of said money, eventually the blue states will just say fuck you we are doing our own thing then.
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u/Own_Mission8048 7h ago
Article I. Section 10: "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
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u/WiseFerret 5h ago
or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
Such as not receiving the congressionally approved FEMA funds?? If the Feds aren't upholding their promises to the states, the states aren't going to have much choice in finding alternative, legal or not. These are things that keep society civil and without them, it's miserable chaos.
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 4h ago
Yeah that last line seems like identical reasoning for why Trump is able to impose the tariffs. Seems to me if he can illegally fabricate a fake emergency to do that, then states who are going to suffer a very real economic emergency from the tariffs should be able to to the same.
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u/passionatebreeder 17h ago
You don't actually understand states rights, clearly, since states rights would fall under the 10th amendment, which says any powers not expressly granted to the federal government are given to the states or to the people.
International trade is expressely given to the federal government, not to the states, in the constitution. Specifically article I section VIII, and congress has given some of that power by law to the president for the purposes of fulfilling his article II powers to engage inn foreign policy, negotiate treaties, and alliances, in behalf of the United States.
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u/Necessary_Salad1289 17h ago
And what happens if California ignores the constitution?
What is Trump going to do?
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u/FiddlingnRome 1d ago
I'm with California. ☮️ And Washington. 🌲
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u/WhoIsHeEven 1d ago
Hey, no love for Oregon?
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u/FiddlingnRome 1d ago
I'm an Oregonian. Of course I love this wild and crazy place!
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u/rococos-basilisk 1d ago
Sure wish our politicians would quit jerking each other off and giving government jobs to their spouses and actually did something useful for once.
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u/rexter2k5 1d ago
Just gonna leave this here. Kotek hasn't been perfect, but she's been much better than Kate Brown.
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u/tas50 20h ago
How does Kotek get credit for the CHIPS act? That list seems to have a lot of items that are a stretch at best.
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u/rexter2k5 17h ago
By doing her job and dispersing the money.
It's a low bar, but considering where the federal government has set their bar, it's still nice to know that our governor is doing the right thing instead of spending her time railing on DEI and trying to sabotage the state's economy.
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u/davidw 1d ago
They are; there's a whole legislative session happening right now. You can even write in to comment on the bills.
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u/rococos-basilisk 1d ago edited 22h ago
I went to oppose one last week. It was trying to undo another that I was on committee for 4 years ago.
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u/kershi123 17h ago
Its honestly crazy how rampant nepotism is in state service and how harmful it is to the system as a whole.
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u/Spodson 1d ago
Nothing but love for Oregon. Except for that one police officer in Reedsport that pulled me over three times during my ten day stay with bullshit traffic warnings because of my California plates. Fuck that guy. But everything else in Oregon, we're good.
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u/Lamadian 21h ago
I had a similar experience in Susanville. Man, fuck that place.
But the rest of Cali is pretty nice.
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u/Shallow_wanderer Albany 18h ago edited 18h ago
Cops here suck, most of this state is impoverished so a lot of municipalities around here get most of their revenue from traffic violations
Shit happens to us Oregonians too, what really sucks is when you live in an area where there's no traffic ticket attorneys because the court system is so strong that they're basically invincible, so the attorneys don't bother (looking at you, Linn County)
What's even more fun is whenever you raise this concern here in the subreddit and you get a laundry list of sanctimonious NIMBYs saying "well maybe you should've been driving properly" when most of the time people fucking are driving properly
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u/Shallow_wanderer Albany 18h ago
We're basically like the Internet Explorer to Cali and WA's Chrome/Firefox, it takes us a minute to get there
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u/BainbridgeBorn 1d ago
These are the FACTS and INFORMATION maga don't want you to know about, source ustr.gov:
Oregon Depends on World Markets
- The state’s largest market was Mexico. Oregon exported $6.3 billion in goods to Mexico in 2024, representing 18 percent of the state’s total goods exports.
- Mexico was followed by China ($5.9 billion), Malaysia ($4.7 billion), Canada ($3.3 billion), and Vietnam ($2.7 billion).
- Oregon’s exports to major world areas included: APEC - $28.1 billion, Asia - $19.6 billion, European Union - $3.0 billion, South/Central America/Caribbean - $901 million, and Sub-Saharan Africa - $64 million
- 37 percent of Oregon’s goods exports ($12.8 billion) in 2024 went to current FTA partners.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 7h ago
FACTS and INFORMATION maga don't want you to know
I don't think MAGA "doesn't want us to know."
I think *I didn't want to know this.
You realize this means Oregon budget is going to get hammered because of the impact to local distributors, cascading down to decreased taxes at the state level, resulting in reduced services for the public.
There's no getting around this...
Great. Just Great. Thanks for letting me know.
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u/urbanlife78 1d ago
At what point do we stop being a united country? At this point, I am all for the Pacific Northwest joining California and becoming its own country.
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u/RinellaWasHere 1d ago
I honestly think this is going to all fall apart within about fifty years tops.
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u/rexter2k5 1d ago edited 23h ago
You're far more optimistic than me. As an 18 year old know-it-all in 2012, I gave us til 2050. I'm beginning to think even that was too optimistic.
This whole experiment might be done by 2040.
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u/erath_droid 16h ago
As an optimistic twenty-something year old who used to travel across the country working my ahem "import-export" business back in the late '90s/early oughts...
I came across a number of people visiting the states from Europe, and they all eventually asked me the same question:
"How is it that you guys are one country and aren't tearing yourselves apart? Your people in different states have way less in common with each other than people in different countries in the EU. What holds you together?"
At that point, I gave the country until maybe 2030 to stick together. I fear that I may have overestimated the fabric that keeps us together.
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u/OldSnuffy 11h ago
Its that controlled chaos that's makes it work...we really have like 6 countries there in the USA ,there has been a whole slew of papers writhen on the topic. You move where your comfortable (kids just split California for Texas)
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u/whenindoubtjs 19h ago
50 years is very optimistic. Having lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union, all I can say is when it happens, it’ll happen fast.
There are decades where. Nothing happens and weeks where decades happen is not a quote born of accident.
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u/urbanlife78 1d ago
I'm not sure the country will last that long
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u/RinellaWasHere 1d ago
Oh agreed, I don't know if we make it to the end of this presidential term. My 'within' there is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
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u/UntamedAnomaly 16h ago
If that happens, I will kiss the soil.......I will go out of Portland to do it, but by golly gee willikers I will kiss that fucking ground so help me! You don't know how bad I want it to happen.
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u/warrenfgerald 1d ago
Particularly in a time when we could really use all the tax dollars that we currently send to DC. Maybe instead of funding ethnic cleansing in the middle east we could repair roads in Portland.
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u/TheOGRedline 1d ago
Or use our money to put out forest fires instead of paying for the Gulf states hurricane and sea level rise damage?
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u/maxkmiller 22h ago
honest question, why would they take us? California is more than able to stand on its own, wouldn't we just be a burden on them?
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u/theLULRUS 22h ago
One big economic factor I can think of is having a direct land connection with Canada. That's assuming Canada would even want anything to do with us.
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u/urbanlife78 22h ago
Canada would probably be more willing to work with a West Coast country than anything to do with Trump America
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u/theLULRUS 21h ago
I would hope so. Even if some Canadians are (understandably) apprehensive about it, the fact it's a big middle finger to President Huggies may help them make their mind up.
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u/Bizzle_worldwide 18h ago
Land corridor from Mexico to Canada and control of all western seaports would be a great start.
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u/serpentjaguar 22h ago
Because despite what you've probably been told, Oregon and Washington have more in common with California than they do with any other part of the country and we would be stronger together than apart.
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u/urbanlife78 22h ago
Puget Sound and Willamette Valley are more than enough reasons to include the Pacific Northwest
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 4h ago
One major reason is control of west coast shipping. It would be easier to bypass California if Portland and Seattle are options. If you have a united west coast and ally with Canada then you have power over the rest of the country. Others are timber, water, food, semiconductors, electricity etc.
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u/PolloConTeriyaki 1d ago
We'd love it but is international tourists still have to deal with your border agents.
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u/Dhegxkeicfns 1d ago
Let's be real, tourism is off the table already. The travel advisories aren't wrong.
Sure, a small number of brave people still go to dangerous places, so it won't be zero. And maybe after 4 years of America being inhospitable it will stoke a hunger for visiting. Assuming we don't sell off our national parks which is a large driving force for tourism.
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u/tas50 19h ago
I work for a small but global company. We will probably never have a US offsite again. So many people can't get a visa and those that can are concerned about traveling here.
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u/Dhegxkeicfns 19h ago
Does that mean you have headquarters outside the US and you are removing the US locations?
I think any company would be wise to do that.
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u/hirudoredo 1d ago
My industry conferences later this year are gonna be... devoid of a lot of great people who understandably do not want to travel here. It's a very international time, usually. I'm sad ( and angry. I am Sadangry.)
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u/EagleCatchingFish Oregon 15h ago
And tariffs are charged by the federal government. Blue states really don't have many tools to use here beyond messaging. One would hope that Congress would reclaim its authority over tariffs, but the congressional Republicans are all magas or are afraid of Trump tweeting mean things at them and the MAGA machine primarying them. So we're stuck until things get so bad that the Republican politicians become more afraid of angry constituents than of trump.
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u/Hike_bike523 18h ago
Wish Oregon and Washington could’ve gotten in on these negotiations. The entire west coast together would be better.
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u/Own_Mission8048 7h ago
Article I. Section 10: "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
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u/Hike_bike523 7h ago
Could one argue that we are in imminent danger? Thank you for showing me the article.
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 4h ago
We are in far more danger than the "emergency" that allowed the tariffs to happen.
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u/davidw 1d ago
"In a post on X, Newsom" - this stupid motherfucker is still out there giving weight to the site owned by a Nazi. There are alternatives FFS.
I was curious what this was actually about, since tariffs/import taxes are a national matter.
Newsom is directing his state to pursue "strategic" relationships with countries announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., urging them to exclude California-made products from those taxes.
So basically he wants to work with other countries to help them better target their own retaliatory tariffs. Oregon and Washington should definitely hop on that bandwagon.
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u/RinellaWasHere 1d ago
My "collapse of the United States" theory continues apace.
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u/RinellaWasHere 1d ago
Uh you have misunderstood what side I'm on, I'm a lefty. I think he, and the Republicans more broadly, have fucked everything up so badly the US is going to end up collapsing.
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u/HellyR_lumon 1d ago
Idk how true this is, but someone said Mexico isn’t wanting to trade oil so it’s raising our gas prices
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u/SunnySydeRamsay 16h ago
I mean literally if the federal government is bypassing the judiciary without consequence what's stopping the states from doing it too?
The judiciary has been fully compromised. Until they start reigning shit in and holding bodies in contempt and jailing cabinet secretaries for their conduct, it's gonna devolve further and further until the constitution is nothing more than random sets of Latin letters, assuming it already isn't.
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u/EagleCatchingFish Oregon 15h ago
It's a good idea to do what Newsom can here, but I don't see much he can do at the state level to counteract what's essentially a federal import tax. I'm sure a lot of us on the center and left have noticed that foreigners don't really have a lot of sympathy for us when we say "we didn't vote for him," and at this point, I don't expect them to, given the damage our government is inflicting on their economies.
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u/theawesomescott 6h ago
California has (if I recall correctly) the 12th largest economy in the world. They can do this.
I’m afraid smaller states may not have much pull compared to that, unfortunately
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u/passionatebreeder 18h ago
This is blatantly illegal.
California does not get to negotiate foreign policy on any matter with other countries.
That's not how the system works.
This would override both congress and the presidents article I and article II powers to make and negotiate treaties, it would also violate congress control over interstate commerce and foreign commerce.
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u/Necessary_Salad1289 17h ago
Oh, that's too bad.
I say they do it anyways and we see what happens.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 7h ago
see what happens.
The feds laugh and cut all state funding. This would be devastating since California receives the largest chunk of federal funding in the entire nation.
The result would be a mandatory increase in CA state-specific taxes to make up the difference, ultimately crashing CA's state budget and public services.
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u/Necessary_Salad1289 2h ago
California pays more than they get dumbass
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u/Critical_Concert_689 9m ago
lol.
Californians pay more into federal taxes than the state receives in subsidies from the federal government.
Think hard - maybe you can figure out why this doesn't matter to the State budget.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 7h ago
100% agree, but facts are dangerously unpopular in regional subs right now. I shouldn't have to scroll down to the bottom to find someone pointing out the obvious.
This is blatantly illegal.
Realistically, it's not illegal, it's just ineffectual.
Details in the article make it sound like Newsom is reaching out - hat in hand - begging other nations to cut specific trade deals to private companies that distribute out of California. Other nations can certainly do this, to their own detriment, but Newsom and California can't really offer any benefits to encourage it short of forcing CA consumers to fully eat 100% of the additional costs, rather than passing the costs off to other nations.
The feds still get their increased cut from tariffs - it's just a matter of Newsom pulling this money from foreign nations or from local CA residents.
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u/Brekker-k 13h ago
Boohoo Republicans are doing blatantly illegal shit like every day and nobody seems to care at all
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u/passionatebreeder 13h ago
Your bad opinions on what's illegal doesn't make that reality.
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u/Brekker-k 13h ago
My opinion is irrelevant, I was referring to the law which has been dragged through the mud by the current administration.
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u/passionatebreeder 13h ago
So in other words you don't have anything real examples of your position, you're just screeching words?
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u/Brekker-k 13h ago
Pretty much yeah, I’m sick of wasting my time collecting sources for people too hateful to care. Have a nice life
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u/passionatebreeder 13h ago
Uh huh. That's it.
Or maybe you're buying into bullshit
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u/Brekker-k 13h ago
Sure bro. Pot and kettle or whatever. We ain’t changing either of our opinions here so let’s just move on.
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u/I_Hate_Reddit_56 1d ago
I believe that's unconstitutional
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u/serpentjaguar 21h ago
It definitely can be, but it depends on how it's implemented and on whether or not it's competently challenged in court.
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u/notPabst404 22h ago
This isn't going to work: California doesn't control it's own border crossings.
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u/Beneficial-Piano-428 23h ago
Oh now we’re against federal laws and for state laws? Glad yall finally seeing the light.
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u/Mathwards 23h ago
We're against laws that fuck people over, which typically were state laws. However, now that the federal government is trying to curtail that whole human rights thing, the states are stepping in.
It's not states rights vs federal rights. It's human rights vs repressive fuckheads.
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u/Beneficial-Piano-428 23h ago
So only laws that you agree with? What laws are you referring to specifically?
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u/Mathwards 22h ago
I'm going to reply as though you're asking in good faith, but looking at your comment history I'm convinced you aren't.
I do tend to only agree with laws that either expand or preserve human freedom. Weird, I know. We have an obligation to oppose unjust laws. Supporting laws simply because "it's the law" is at best stupid and at worst actively harmful to liberty and justice.
We've had 15 states ban abortion since Roe got overturned, at least 100 anti-LGBT laws across the states since 2023, sixteen states introduced 23 bills restricting the right to protest (you know, that whole First Amendment thing), with five bills enacted in four states, etc.
As far as federal laws go, I mean, look at whatever thing Trump has tried today. I'm sure there's some EO walking back protection from discrimination or trying to make it illegal to be brown in public or some shit.
Point being, it's not hypocrisy to oppose state overreach when the states are trying to clamp down on human rights, then oppose federal overreach when the fed tried to do it.
You're trying to get a "gotcha" on why people seem to be flip flopping, but it's the fact that the Fed and States have flip flopped on who is being the oppressor and who is trying to retain or expand freedoms for everyone.
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u/Beneficial-Piano-428 21h ago edited 21h ago
Couldn’t agree with you any more. Neither state or any federal law shouldn’t go above every single Americans individual freedom they are guaranteed
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u/Beneficial-Piano-428 21h ago
If I didn’t know any better, you would almost sound like an honest to goodness old school libertarian with that kind of thought.
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u/serpentjaguar 21h ago
Scarcely. I am against bad laws, without regard to whether they are implemented at the federal or state level.
Besides, this isn't really about laws at all; the current congress hasn't done shit since Trump took office. Most of what this is about is policy set through Executive Orders that, in the presence of a Congress that's completely abdicated its powers and responsibilities, can only be disputed in the courts, which is obviously a lengthy process.
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u/Beneficial-Piano-428 19h ago
What does this have to do with the states right and the article specifically?
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u/sur_surly 20h ago
Are you seeing the light yourself? Still chanting "Are we tired of winning yet?"
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