r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/pm_me_ur_ParusMajors North Carolina 19h ago

Considering how much agriculture and manufacturing actually come out of California, this would have a substantial impact on the rest of the US. The California gdp is as much as in the top 5 gdp's in the world.

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u/ciel_lanila I voted 19h ago edited 17h ago

Just looked the raw GDP numbers in case anyone is curious. .

  • US with CA: $30.338 trillion
  • European Union (as a whole): $20.29 trillion
  • China: $19.535 trillion
  • Germany: $4.922 t
  • Japan: $4.390 t
  • India: $4.270 t
  • California: $4.1 t
  • UK: $3.731 t
  • Skipping a few
  • Russia: $2.197 t

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u/SweetAlyssumm 19h ago

We also have a bunch of military bases. We could almost actually do this.

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u/seaQueue 19h ago

We'd probably want to bring OR and WA along for the ride

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u/mr_oof 19h ago

Chuckles in Cascadia

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u/_illogical_ 18h ago

Shout-out to /r/cascadia

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u/mr_oof 18h ago

LA, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver- North America’s quirky, slightly sketchy queer uncles.

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u/_illogical_ 18h ago

You seem to have forgotten San Francisco

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u/mr_oof 18h ago

I said ‘slightly’ sketchy-queer. SF counts as ‘utterly.’

Compared to Victoria, Eugene and Sacramento, who fall high on the ‘quaint-nerdy’ index.

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u/SpottyNoonerism 16h ago

Noone ever remembers Astoria, OR - except the people who've been there. Falls between Eugene and Portland on the quirky index.

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u/_illogical_ 11h ago

Astoria out here, like "Heeeyyyy Yooouuu Guuuyyysss!!!"; then we just give you a Baby Ruth.

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u/Cosmosass 18h ago

Vancouver Island here. We are like the sketchy Vancouver Uncle's weird nephew. We make a good addition to Cascadia I promise

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u/starkeffect 17h ago

Quirkly, slightly sketchy queer uncles with great taste in music and craft beer.

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u/jah_bro_ney 16h ago

Can San Diego join the fruity uncs?

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u/spingus 16h ago

SD represent!

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 15h ago

San Francisco is America's wealthy dame of a great aunt, who can be kind of a bitch, but in a fabulous way.

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u/Snakebird11 18h ago

Time to ride

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u/heimdal77 18h ago

Is this based off the Ecotopia novel?

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u/Possible_Top4855 15h ago

Something something cascadia subduction zone

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 18h ago

I’m down for it. We already have a dope flag.

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u/Street-Dependent-647 16h ago

NCR becoming a part of actual US history was not on my bingo card, hope it doesn’t because a lot of other Fallout canon doesn’t sound fun IRL

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u/frustratedpolarbear 12h ago

Well the Great War started when the United States annexed Canada and the Chinese invaded Alaska so we're definitely on that timeline so far

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u/Assumeweknow 14h ago

California bear vs the Trump Elephant. Love it, honestly, I'd see Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Colorado Arizona joining the team. Utah would probably abstain from the effort but join the list because everyone else is, It really depends on what kind of constitution the western states come up with. It could put all those states on a completely different path to self determination and a lot more money could be made by doing the split. It would give Trump the fuel to build his dictatorship rebuild on eastern states.

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 10h ago

Cascadia is generally accepted to be the three coastal states to start, and then BC if they want to join.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_flag

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u/beamrider 18h ago

That would include joining up with British Columbia. Which is looking like a better and better deal each day.

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u/randypupjake California 16h ago

Or we could just neighbor British Columbia as a separate province

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u/HiiiTriiibe 18h ago

I feel like it’s probably time we turn that chuckle into a guffaw

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u/No-Lunch2960 18h ago

Im here for this.

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u/richf2001 17h ago

Worked for a company in Oregon the did emergency services stuff. Got to play with the tsunami sirens. They’re very into preparing for the full blown event. The answer is basically… nice knowing ya!

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u/FinancialAlbatross92 Canada 17h ago

Cadia....

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u/spingus 16h ago

Fuck Yeah!

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u/spingus 16h ago

Fuck Yeah!

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u/rexter2k5 11h ago

In this case, we'd be Pacifica, but I'm for it.

Hawaii and Alaska can come too.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 19h ago

As a native San Diegan living in Seattle, yes, please!

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u/cerealjunky 17h ago

Found Eddie Vedder's Reddit account!

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u/sdcanine99 14h ago

As a native Seattleite living in San Diego, glad we could change places, and also, yes, please!

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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 19h ago

You'd be getting a lot more than OR and WA. If California goes, the Northeast goes with you.

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u/ordinaryseawomn 18h ago

As long as we call whatever’s left over Gillead….and we’re all on the correct side of the fence!

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u/LegendofDragoon 18h ago

I don't know that any of the Northeast governments have the balls to do this. I've been begging Maura for weeks at this point to do literally anything decisive. Instead when 100+ innocent 'collateral arrests ' happened in Boston, all we got from her was a tepid "I should have known you were coming."

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u/EggsceIlent 19h ago

As a wa resident I'm totally for this.

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u/jkman61494 Pennsylvania 18h ago

And you’d likely add Hawaii

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u/PennytheWiser215 19h ago

Please bring NY too

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u/beamrider 18h ago

From WA here: YES! PLEASE!

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u/wickedsweetcake 17h ago

And drag the eastern parts of the state kicking and screaming along too. The cities are sane enclaves, I promise!

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u/CaffeinatedGuy 18h ago

Yes please, and with it, control of the entire west coast. That would also mean control of all shipping through western ports so anything that has to move through that territory would be subject to additional tariffs.

Impose additional agreements with Mexico and Canada and you're got yourself a powerful region.

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u/Life_Is_Regret 19h ago

And Canada

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u/thebabybird1 19h ago

Michigan too!

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u/moeman1996 12h ago

You guys voted for Trump. Illinois had state elections. We are purging the GOP out of here,

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u/TrumpDesWillens 11h ago

No, you people are too culturally different. Go do your own thing.

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u/SnailRacerWinsAgain 18h ago

Yes, please! OR here, ready to go 🫡

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u/Eo292 18h ago

Everything East of the Cascades can stay though. It’s what they would want anyway

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u/EMTDawg Utah 17h ago

Make the border the Continental Divide. Otherwise, the great basin states could turn off the water supply. California suffers without the Colorado River if Utah and Arizona turned off the tap. Same for Washington and Oregon if Idaho stops releasing water in the Snake and Columbia Rivers.

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u/moeman1996 12h ago

Bring Illinois in too. We can provide a hub for the rest of the United States of Trump.

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u/Pitiful_Sea9582 19h ago

We'd welcome you in Canada, just saying.

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u/Cooolllll 19h ago

Think they just want to be friends not relatives 

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u/Pitiful_Sea9582 19h ago

Fair! Just want everyone to be happy 😊

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u/rematar 19h ago

Join Canada. I'd vote yes for good neighbors to become family.

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u/CthulhuBathwater 19h ago

Maybe I should move to Oregon sooner than next year....?

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u/Capfierce 18h ago

Please do--I don't want to be stuck with the red insanity.

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u/jeexbit 18h ago

Viva Cascadia!

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u/GreasyPeter 18h ago

You under estimate how many Republicans actually live in all 3 of those states. Clearly they're not a majority, but about 1/3rd of the total population identifies as Republican and they're not going to just bend over. The eastern half of each state would actively rebel most likely.

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u/Dazzling-Nature-73 14h ago

Most would be more than happy to move to Idaho

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u/theonewhoknocksforu 18h ago

That would give us control of the entire western coastline.

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u/sassylemone Pennsylvania 18h ago

I swear this was briefly entertained a couple months ago by Canadian officials.

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u/YouJabroni44 Colorado 18h ago

Ooo bring us too

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u/ragnarokxg 18h ago

Can New Mexico join, we were together at one point in history.

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u/ouatedephoque 18h ago

Want to be part of Canada? I'd be down for that

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u/Asmordean Canada 18h ago

You could join up with Canada.

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u/Uncreative-Name 18h ago

We'd need to take Nevada with us. Without Hoover Dam things would get ugly.

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u/silverionmox 18h ago

And thus, the 3Ca alliance was born (California-Cascandia-Canada).

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u/crockrocket 18h ago

OR here, yes please!

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u/heimdal77 18h ago

Is this based off the Ecotopia novel?

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u/allenahansen California 18h ago

Let's go for it! Kern Kounty, Kaliforinia could use a cup of hot covfefe in the face.

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u/kosanovskiy 18h ago

Did somebody say Nuclear Subs?

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u/groversnoopyfozzie 17h ago

Strictly from a logistical standpoint you’d probably want all three pacific costal states to access railways in Canada. If the scenario gets more Bizzarre you could also use the Great Lakes to creat supply lines to midwestern and eastern states that circumvent red states in the middle. It could get Mad Maxian out there.

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u/Ill-Spell6462 17h ago

Can Hawai`i come too? Please???

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u/SigX1 17h ago

And British Columbia with their sweet natural resources and hydro power

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u/fries29 17h ago

Come say hi to the Canadians! The north west pacific partnership

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u/Air-Keytar 17h ago

Yes please. We don't want to be part of this shit show any longer. They can have their "Greater Idaho" but they don't get to touch the coast. lol

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u/Diedead666 16h ago

Canada did say we could join them.

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u/spacebarcafelatte 16h ago

Am willing to travel from the east coast.

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u/nationwide13 16h ago

When you're talking military bases, I think you'd absolutely want WA to bring first group (army sf) along

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u/Danielj4545 16h ago

Please take us with you

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u/EstesPark2018 15h ago

Colorado would probably join in just for the fun of it

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u/Fatso_Wombat 15h ago

Australia will sign up. Californians are our cousin's.

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u/Mysterious-House-51 15h ago

Can we somehow create a land bridge from Cali to mass and bring us along.

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u/shessocold1969 15h ago

And Hawaii. Because they share our values and the military. Then hopefully actual Hawaiians could have a bigger seat in governing their land.

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u/eskieski 13h ago

just like we did when Covid hit.. we became the 3 musketeers…gotta love our neighbors above us…”good things come in 3’s”

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u/StoryDreamer 12h ago

Yes, please.

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u/moonguidex 12h ago

Hey! Maybe you guys want to include Baja? We're already Californians and all we have are amazing coastlines and beaches!

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u/-Visher- 11h ago

As a Washingtonian, we’ll tag along!

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u/TootBreaker 11h ago

Cascadia rising!

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u/MaddyKet 7h ago

New England joins the chat

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u/ArmyofRiverdancers 6h ago

We probably need to bring both. They bring water supply and lumber, agricultural backup areas should water supplies in SoCal get so critical you need to start shutting the tap for SoCal agricultural zones. A full Pacific coast secession monopolizes shipbuilding and ports in Pacific, including submarine facilities up in Puget Sound. An internal operation modifying algorithms at Google would be a serious win in the information war. If we can get Hawaii we have a better chance. Alaska? On one hand a prize for resources, but it's proximity to Russia means that they'll take AK back as fair game and we wouldn't be able to defend them.

This is ofc entirely hypothetical, off the top of my head and months of doomscrolling, and you should TOTALLY start crunching the numbers. 

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u/DaniAmani 5h ago

With Canada and Mexico as backup.

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u/gummybear0068 Pennsylvania 4h ago

That fucking a24 movie is looking even more realistic now