r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Archer1407 20h ago

Trump is going to launch a trade war against California in the next few days.

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u/pm_me_ur_ParusMajors North Carolina 19h ago

Considering how much agriculture and manufacturing actually come out of California, this would have a substantial impact on the rest of the US. The California gdp is as much as in the top 5 gdp's in the world.

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u/ciel_lanila I voted 19h ago edited 17h ago

Just looked the raw GDP numbers in case anyone is curious. .

  • US with CA: $30.338 trillion
  • European Union (as a whole): $20.29 trillion
  • China: $19.535 trillion
  • Germany: $4.922 t
  • Japan: $4.390 t
  • India: $4.270 t
  • California: $4.1 t
  • UK: $3.731 t
  • Skipping a few
  • Russia: $2.197 t

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u/SweetAlyssumm 19h ago

We also have a bunch of military bases. We could almost actually do this.

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u/seaQueue 19h ago

We'd probably want to bring OR and WA along for the ride

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u/mr_oof 19h ago

Chuckles in Cascadia

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u/_illogical_ 19h ago

Shout-out to /r/cascadia

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u/mr_oof 18h ago

LA, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver- North America’s quirky, slightly sketchy queer uncles.

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u/_illogical_ 18h ago

You seem to have forgotten San Francisco

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u/mr_oof 18h ago

I said ‘slightly’ sketchy-queer. SF counts as ‘utterly.’

Compared to Victoria, Eugene and Sacramento, who fall high on the ‘quaint-nerdy’ index.

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u/SpottyNoonerism 16h ago

Noone ever remembers Astoria, OR - except the people who've been there. Falls between Eugene and Portland on the quirky index.

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u/_illogical_ 11h ago

Astoria out here, like "Heeeyyyy Yooouuu Guuuyyysss!!!"; then we just give you a Baby Ruth.

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u/Cosmosass 18h ago

Vancouver Island here. We are like the sketchy Vancouver Uncle's weird nephew. We make a good addition to Cascadia I promise

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u/starkeffect 17h ago

Quirkly, slightly sketchy queer uncles with great taste in music and craft beer.

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u/jah_bro_ney 16h ago

Can San Diego join the fruity uncs?

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u/spingus 16h ago

SD represent!

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 15h ago

San Francisco is America's wealthy dame of a great aunt, who can be kind of a bitch, but in a fabulous way.

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u/Snakebird11 18h ago

Time to ride

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u/heimdal77 18h ago

Is this based off the Ecotopia novel?

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u/Possible_Top4855 16h ago

Something something cascadia subduction zone

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 18h ago

I’m down for it. We already have a dope flag.

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u/Street-Dependent-647 16h ago

NCR becoming a part of actual US history was not on my bingo card, hope it doesn’t because a lot of other Fallout canon doesn’t sound fun IRL

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u/frustratedpolarbear 12h ago

Well the Great War started when the United States annexed Canada and the Chinese invaded Alaska so we're definitely on that timeline so far

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u/Assumeweknow 14h ago

California bear vs the Trump Elephant. Love it, honestly, I'd see Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Colorado Arizona joining the team. Utah would probably abstain from the effort but join the list because everyone else is, It really depends on what kind of constitution the western states come up with. It could put all those states on a completely different path to self determination and a lot more money could be made by doing the split. It would give Trump the fuel to build his dictatorship rebuild on eastern states.

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u/SpaceForceAwakens 10h ago

Cascadia is generally accepted to be the three coastal states to start, and then BC if they want to join.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_flag

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u/beamrider 18h ago

That would include joining up with British Columbia. Which is looking like a better and better deal each day.

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u/randypupjake California 16h ago

Or we could just neighbor British Columbia as a separate province

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u/HiiiTriiibe 18h ago

I feel like it’s probably time we turn that chuckle into a guffaw

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u/No-Lunch2960 18h ago

Im here for this.

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u/richf2001 17h ago

Worked for a company in Oregon the did emergency services stuff. Got to play with the tsunami sirens. They’re very into preparing for the full blown event. The answer is basically… nice knowing ya!

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u/FinancialAlbatross92 Canada 17h ago

Cadia....

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u/spingus 16h ago

Fuck Yeah!

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u/spingus 16h ago

Fuck Yeah!

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u/rexter2k5 11h ago

In this case, we'd be Pacifica, but I'm for it.

Hawaii and Alaska can come too.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 19h ago

As a native San Diegan living in Seattle, yes, please!

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u/cerealjunky 17h ago

Found Eddie Vedder's Reddit account!

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u/sdcanine99 14h ago

As a native Seattleite living in San Diego, glad we could change places, and also, yes, please!

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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 19h ago

You'd be getting a lot more than OR and WA. If California goes, the Northeast goes with you.

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u/ordinaryseawomn 18h ago

As long as we call whatever’s left over Gillead….and we’re all on the correct side of the fence!

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u/LegendofDragoon 18h ago

I don't know that any of the Northeast governments have the balls to do this. I've been begging Maura for weeks at this point to do literally anything decisive. Instead when 100+ innocent 'collateral arrests ' happened in Boston, all we got from her was a tepid "I should have known you were coming."

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u/EggsceIlent 19h ago

As a wa resident I'm totally for this.

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u/jkman61494 Pennsylvania 18h ago

And you’d likely add Hawaii

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u/PennytheWiser215 19h ago

Please bring NY too

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u/beamrider 18h ago

From WA here: YES! PLEASE!

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u/wickedsweetcake 17h ago

And drag the eastern parts of the state kicking and screaming along too. The cities are sane enclaves, I promise!

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u/CaffeinatedGuy 18h ago

Yes please, and with it, control of the entire west coast. That would also mean control of all shipping through western ports so anything that has to move through that territory would be subject to additional tariffs.

Impose additional agreements with Mexico and Canada and you're got yourself a powerful region.

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u/Life_Is_Regret 19h ago

And Canada

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u/thebabybird1 19h ago

Michigan too!

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u/moeman1996 13h ago

You guys voted for Trump. Illinois had state elections. We are purging the GOP out of here,

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u/TrumpDesWillens 11h ago

No, you people are too culturally different. Go do your own thing.

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u/SnailRacerWinsAgain 18h ago

Yes, please! OR here, ready to go 🫡

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u/Eo292 18h ago

Everything East of the Cascades can stay though. It’s what they would want anyway

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u/EMTDawg Utah 17h ago

Make the border the Continental Divide. Otherwise, the great basin states could turn off the water supply. California suffers without the Colorado River if Utah and Arizona turned off the tap. Same for Washington and Oregon if Idaho stops releasing water in the Snake and Columbia Rivers.

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u/moeman1996 13h ago

Bring Illinois in too. We can provide a hub for the rest of the United States of Trump.

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u/Pitiful_Sea9582 19h ago

We'd welcome you in Canada, just saying.

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u/Cooolllll 19h ago

Think they just want to be friends not relatives 

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u/Pitiful_Sea9582 19h ago

Fair! Just want everyone to be happy 😊

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u/rematar 19h ago

Join Canada. I'd vote yes for good neighbors to become family.

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u/CthulhuBathwater 19h ago

Maybe I should move to Oregon sooner than next year....?

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u/Capfierce 19h ago

Please do--I don't want to be stuck with the red insanity.

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u/jeexbit 19h ago

Viva Cascadia!

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u/GreasyPeter 18h ago

You under estimate how many Republicans actually live in all 3 of those states. Clearly they're not a majority, but about 1/3rd of the total population identifies as Republican and they're not going to just bend over. The eastern half of each state would actively rebel most likely.

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u/Dazzling-Nature-73 14h ago

Most would be more than happy to move to Idaho

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u/theonewhoknocksforu 18h ago

That would give us control of the entire western coastline.

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u/sassylemone Pennsylvania 18h ago

I swear this was briefly entertained a couple months ago by Canadian officials.

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u/YouJabroni44 Colorado 18h ago

Ooo bring us too

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u/ragnarokxg 18h ago

Can New Mexico join, we were together at one point in history.

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u/ouatedephoque 18h ago

Want to be part of Canada? I'd be down for that

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u/Asmordean Canada 18h ago

You could join up with Canada.

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u/Uncreative-Name 18h ago

We'd need to take Nevada with us. Without Hoover Dam things would get ugly.

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u/silverionmox 18h ago

And thus, the 3Ca alliance was born (California-Cascandia-Canada).

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u/crockrocket 18h ago

OR here, yes please!

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u/heimdal77 18h ago

Is this based off the Ecotopia novel?

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u/allenahansen California 18h ago

Let's go for it! Kern Kounty, Kaliforinia could use a cup of hot covfefe in the face.

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u/kosanovskiy 18h ago

Did somebody say Nuclear Subs?

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u/groversnoopyfozzie 18h ago

Strictly from a logistical standpoint you’d probably want all three pacific costal states to access railways in Canada. If the scenario gets more Bizzarre you could also use the Great Lakes to creat supply lines to midwestern and eastern states that circumvent red states in the middle. It could get Mad Maxian out there.

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u/Ill-Spell6462 18h ago

Can Hawai`i come too? Please???

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u/SigX1 17h ago

And British Columbia with their sweet natural resources and hydro power

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u/fries29 17h ago

Come say hi to the Canadians! The north west pacific partnership

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u/Air-Keytar 17h ago

Yes please. We don't want to be part of this shit show any longer. They can have their "Greater Idaho" but they don't get to touch the coast. lol

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u/Diedead666 17h ago

Canada did say we could join them.

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u/spacebarcafelatte 16h ago

Am willing to travel from the east coast.

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u/nationwide13 16h ago

When you're talking military bases, I think you'd absolutely want WA to bring first group (army sf) along

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u/Danielj4545 16h ago

Please take us with you

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u/EstesPark2018 16h ago

Colorado would probably join in just for the fun of it

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u/Fatso_Wombat 15h ago

Australia will sign up. Californians are our cousin's.

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u/Mysterious-House-51 15h ago

Can we somehow create a land bridge from Cali to mass and bring us along.

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u/shessocold1969 15h ago

And Hawaii. Because they share our values and the military. Then hopefully actual Hawaiians could have a bigger seat in governing their land.

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u/eskieski 13h ago

just like we did when Covid hit.. we became the 3 musketeers…gotta love our neighbors above us…”good things come in 3’s”

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u/StoryDreamer 12h ago

Yes, please.

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u/moonguidex 12h ago

Hey! Maybe you guys want to include Baja? We're already Californians and all we have are amazing coastlines and beaches!

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u/-Visher- 11h ago

As a Washingtonian, we’ll tag along!

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u/TootBreaker 11h ago

Cascadia rising!

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u/MaddyKet 7h ago

New England joins the chat

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u/ArmyofRiverdancers 6h ago

We probably need to bring both. They bring water supply and lumber, agricultural backup areas should water supplies in SoCal get so critical you need to start shutting the tap for SoCal agricultural zones. A full Pacific coast secession monopolizes shipbuilding and ports in Pacific, including submarine facilities up in Puget Sound. An internal operation modifying algorithms at Google would be a serious win in the information war. If we can get Hawaii we have a better chance. Alaska? On one hand a prize for resources, but it's proximity to Russia means that they'll take AK back as fair game and we wouldn't be able to defend them.

This is ofc entirely hypothetical, off the top of my head and months of doomscrolling, and you should TOTALLY start crunching the numbers. 

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u/DaniAmani 5h ago

With Canada and Mexico as backup.

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u/gummybear0068 Pennsylvania 4h ago

That fucking a24 movie is looking even more realistic now

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u/diamondpredator 17h ago

If there is any state in the union that would be successful after seceding it would be CA. TX MAY be able to pull it off, but they're a lot more dependent on federal funds than CA is and they don't have the same amount of production we do.

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u/SweetAlyssumm 17h ago

Both have excellent Mexican food so we are covered there.

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u/diamondpredator 17h ago

Very true.

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u/randypupjake California 16h ago

Pretty sure that the politicians there don't want to right now since Trump is president

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u/diamondpredator 16h ago

Yea I don't think they do, I'm just saying they could.

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u/ChiliTacos 11h ago

The issue there is that it assumes nothing changes. What stops the 5 largest companies from moving for example?

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u/diamondpredator 3h ago

The same things that incentivized them to be there in the first place.

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 17h ago

Those military bases are not under the command of or loyal to the government of California. "We have a bunch of military bases" is a reason why we could not do this.

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u/carnutes787 16h ago

i can't believe this is always lost on so many people, you're exactly right. california is specifically in the least advantageous situation as far as actual secession, there is fully zero chance the pentagon would ever let those pacific naval bases be lost

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u/ArmyofRiverdancers 5h ago

Thank you. People don't get in on this enough. Even if the demographics of the military were in their favor their indoctrination will prevent them siding with us. 

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u/SweetAlyssumm 17h ago

But we are seceding.... I get what you are saying, I'm just saying there is some infrastructure in place...

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u/PhilbertNoyce 18h ago edited 18h ago

Much as I'd love to see them pull it off, it's not going to happen. Most of rural California would not go along with it. They could and would sabotage roads, power stations, gas lines, water supplies, etc. There is no way the governor and the CA national guard could even begin to bring a situation like that under control if the majority of people outside the big cities aren't onboard. You'd have an unmitigated disaster on your hands even if the feds just stepped back and said "Fine, go for it." Which they won't because they're actively hostile.

If you don't have enough cynicism in your life yet, check out the "It Could Happen Here" podcast by Robert Evans. It's not enjoyable but it's something more people definitely should have been listening to.

edit: Fixed formatting and mobile mistakes

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u/elcapitan520 18h ago

Shout out to It Could Happen Here and Robert Evans 

The original series is a little harder to find now that they have a daily news show. But it's from 2019 and is a 10 episode exploration of what a US civil war would look like from the perspective of a conflict journalist who studies extremist groups.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 18h ago

I finally got around to listening to it last fall before the election. I went from feeling like "Yeah, we're probably really fucked no matter what happens in the next few years" to "Jesus Christ, we are so completely and irretrievably fucked." Then the election results came in and I had to move all my timelines up by about 10 years.

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u/elcapitan520 17h ago

Oh I listened in 2019 and live in Portland and got to follow and participate in the summer of fun 2020. Robert was an essential daily update along with other locals. Garrison is now the co-host/host of It Could Happen Here and they were just some twitch kid downtown giving a shit and streaming the protests and talking to people.

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u/Electrifying2017 California 17h ago

Just give it time. Rural California is currently buckling from all the fed cuts and tariffs. 

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u/staxnet California 19h ago

And Lawrence Livermore Lab, Jet Propulsion Lab, ports, on and off-shore oil reserves, oil refineries, and natural obstacles (Sierra Nevada/Mojave Desert)

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u/SweetAlyssumm 17h ago

Yes. And a bunch of world class universities. Wiener has said we can have our own NIH.

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u/actthafool 19h ago

So the movie Civil War although I doubt the help from Texas would come 😂

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u/WeirdJack49 16h ago

Honestly after over 10 years of this bullshit and us slowly drifting into the crazy dimension I wouldn't be surprised if Texas would actually switch sides and help CA for whatever reason. It wouldn't be the craziest thing that happened in the last couple of month.

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u/7figureipo California 14h ago

I'd be shocked. Texas is more likely to go it alone against the rest of the country than to ally with any blue state. They are deeply red there: full of racists and the most hateful, arrogant "we were our own country once" people you can imagine.

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u/Nero29gt 11h ago

I loved the movie and thought it was a unique way of handling Left vs Right. It was actually just large GDPs that could fund a civil war against an authoritarian president that had gone for a third term (sound familiar?).

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u/Miserable_Law_6514 18h ago

Most of the service members are from other states though. Plus federal government can just move all the assests they can out of state.

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u/Initial-Pudding7892 18h ago

This frankly means nothing

Military personnel aren’t made up exclusively of people from the state they are stationed in. You think a bunch of dudes from Texas or North Carolina are going to listen to a governor from the state they are temporarily living in to defend a state they have minimal ties to/fight against their friends and family from their home state?

People have such an out of whack view of the military in this country, it’s not made up of a bunch of automatons incapable of thinking 

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u/DumboWumbo073 18h ago

People have such an out of whack view of the military in this country, it’s not made up of a bunch of automatons incapable of thinking 

I hope you’re right most people think they are stormtroopers for a reason.

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u/WeirdJack49 16h ago

Why not just ask the EU to join it?
I mean im kidding but CA would most likely have the highest chance to be accepted out of all US states.

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u/pepperpavlov California 15h ago

Am I about to join the California national guard?

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u/kansas_slim 15h ago

College Football realignment - global trade war edition

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u/Appropriate_Guess881 14h ago

We need legislation in place that states if Trump runs for a 3rd term then WA, OR, CA, & HI will succeed from the US and join Canada.

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u/SweetAlyssumm 11h ago

Great idea~

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u/ISpyM8 Michigan 19h ago

I’d argue that you could just straight up, no “almost” about it.

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u/SweetAlyssumm 17h ago

Newsom, although I don't like a lot of his shit, has referred to California as a nation. He might be in the right mindset.

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u/carnutes787 16h ago

a nation is a pretty loosely-defined term for a people with shared values and conditions, it's not something that means "sovereign polity." it's a bit goofy and poetic but not strictly wrong that there is a nation within california

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 17h ago

Who's "we"?

There are more Trump voters in California than the entire population of most other states.

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u/DocHollidaysPistols 17h ago

They need Texas like in Civil War.

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u/SaintBobby_Barbarian 16h ago

With soldiers from the south and Midwest

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u/BungHoleAngler 16h ago

And there are at least two national labs in the region, Livermore and pnw, that do nuclear weapony things

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u/RobotGloves 15h ago

Most of the troops aren't from California, and would be taking orders from superiors that aren't either....

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u/ArmyofRiverdancers 6h ago

Problem is that the people who man those bases are NOT California loyalists and will be more likely to create "pockets of resistance against the rebel state". 

Not to mention that half the state is utterly dependent on the Colorado River. Cut that off, our agricultural economy goes kaput and LA becomes a humanitarian crisis... UNLESS we seriously double down on desalination, water recycling and a backup water infrastructure sourcing from the Rockies, it is a war of attrition we can't win. 

Anyway, that's part two. 

Three is power supplies. 

Four is stuff like disabling nuclear arsenals and the like, or our two largest urban centers become such big targets they don't even need to aim.  

We probably should revamp our infrastructure for independence anyway, but considering how pulling federal funding for high speed rail killed a project after the hard and expensive stuff was already done, I don't see that flying. 

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u/tawwkz 17h ago

Throwing away 200 trillion in trade in order to nurture 2 trillion in trade with Russia.

Big brain idea. The bigliest.

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u/Crappler319 District Of Columbia 19h ago

Incidentally, the Northeast Megalopolis, the other large contiguous strip of majority Democratic rule, has a GDP of 5.3 trillion.

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u/justbrowse2018 Kentucky 19h ago

China sure moved up in 20 years

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u/randypupjake California 16h ago

It helps using African countries to do your bidding while dangling the loans that China gave them

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u/justbrowse2018 Kentucky 16h ago

Where’d they learn that business model from?

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u/randypupjake California 15h ago

I didn't say they were the first. But I will say they have been doing it for a few years.

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u/moeman1996 12h ago

Nixon is the one who opened trade to China, and Reagan who passed trickle down economics and allowed manufacturing offshore. This is the side effects from it .

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u/sir_sri 15h ago

So has India. India was about 15 years behind china on development but stalled out a bit in the mid 2010s as chinese investments in education and infrastructure in the 1990s started to pay off in the labour force whereas india just didn't have the same 'hockeystick' growth curve..

China passed the US as the largest economy in the world on PPP basis around 2009, and is now quite a bit larger than the US and Russia or the US and Japan combined.

The other particularly interesting big economies are the comparison of Russia and Japan. Both have about the same size overall economy (roughly 7 trillion PPP equivalent), Russia has about 18 million more people than Japan (so 143 vs 125 million) but Japan is, at least on a currency converted basis much richer than russia, more than double.

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u/Sterling239 18h ago

As someone from the UK I don't know  how my tiny country does better than the largest country on the planet 

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u/Exorcisme 17h ago

Short answer: it doesn't, because the only metric that matter is GDP PPP. However, since it paints Russia in positive light, it's not usually used on reddit.

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u/bellos_ 13h ago

No. GDP PPP is useful for measuring differences in living standards. Nominal GDP is for what's happening here - comparing national economies. Population is irrelevant if you're just talking about the economy and not how it affects the people living there.

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u/worldspawn00 Texas 15h ago

Russia is between New York and Florida in GDP. IDK why we even bother negotiating with them, just block trade completely, cut them the fuck off. we don't need them at all.

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u/Hopeful_Turn2722 18h ago

Awesome job!! You are handy ;)

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u/IHaveNoEgrets California 18h ago

I think we passed India not long ago.

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u/ciel_lanila I voted 18h ago

It’s possible. The CA number is from 2024, Indian’s is 2025. India’s number is form the IMF, so CA could have passed India through another group’s calculations.

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u/IHaveNoEgrets California 18h ago

Either way, California still has big numbers.

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u/CheetoMussolini 16h ago

The few you skip includes New York State. We've got $2.3 trillion in GDP and another 20 million people. CA/NY combined is behind only the US, EU, and China - and $1.5 trillion ahead of the next on the list.

CA and NY need to coordinate on this. We're rich, populous, powerful, activist, and motivated.

Hell let's just say that Oregon, Washington, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Islands, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, Minnesota and Illinois joined - were talking 129 million people and 13.74 trillion GDP.

And we can do a Colorado/New Mexico airlift since they're landlocked and surrounded by douchebags. We're at 14.34 trillion GDP and 138 million people. If those states actually coordinated in their opposition...

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u/Kindergarten0815 17h ago

What are those numbers? Don't seem to be exports.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/usa

1.86t in 2023 for the USA (exports) / 3t Imports.

US va Germany would be: $94.8B / $157B

Site is ongoing an overhaul (now most seems to be now a pro feature, pretty much everything was free in the past) And some pages are down (EU for instance, but it should have 6.4T exports, Imports I don't remember).

Those numbers seem to high. Or may it includes services? But that's not that easy to track.

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u/Exorcisme 17h ago

Now do GDP PPP, which is the metric that does matter given how isolated Russian economy is.

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u/Purple-Revolution-88 13h ago edited 13h ago

If you just go by the numbers, it's pretty clear that those other countries literally NEED to be able to sell to us. There is no other customer that is even close. If they try to cut us out of their trade, they will have to accept a tremendous pay cut. Even if they didn't actually cut their prices (which they would absolutely have to do to stop trading with us), the amount volume they would be able to sell would be slashed by half.

If we were sellers, they could do whatever they wanted, but the fact that we're the buyers is insurmountable.

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u/TootBreaker 11h ago

Ok and what about 'US without CA'?

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u/Ariose_Aristocrat 11h ago

This is old, California has surpassed Japan & India

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u/Mahameghabahana 1h ago

Nope india have actually surpass california this year and with us growing at 6 to 8% every year, we would double our GDP in next 10 year unlike california.

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u/Ariose_Aristocrat 1h ago

Developing countries tend to grow faster than areas that are already developed

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u/Garfield910 10h ago

Do you have a source for this data?  It's important now more than ever to have data backed up by reliable sources.  I can only really find data putting California at higher (better) in the list.

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u/Akerlof 8h ago

Something else to note, exports (goods and services):

  1. China: $3.5 Trillion
  2. US: $3 Trillion
  3. Germany: $2.1 Trillion
  4. UK: $1 Trillion
  5. France: $1 Trillion

Oh, and for those who say the US doesn't produce any physical stuff anymore, exports of just goods are:

  1. China: $3.3 Trillion
  2. US: $2 Trillion
  3. Germany: $1.7 Trillion
  4. Netherlands: $740 Billion
  5. Japan: $720 Billion

Just because we have a trade deficit doesn't mean we don't export a whole metric boatload of stuff. We're #2 in the world for exporting goods and #1 in service, almost doubling #2.

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u/Scared_Jello3998 19h ago edited 19h ago

I'm not going to bother to look, but I 100% guarantee those numbers are supposed to be in billions not trillions.

Ah oops, I had read these as trade numbers not static GDPs

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u/nipplehounds 19h ago

And I 100% guarantee that you would be incorrect.

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u/DannyJJB 19h ago

Incorrect, the GDP of these nations is indeed in the Trillions not Billions

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u/densetsu23 19h ago

Musk is worth about $330 billion.

You really think the US economy as a whole is less than a tenth of one individual's net worth?

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u/Scared_Jello3998 18h ago

You're gonna have to re-read my comment I guess