r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/ciel_lanila I voted 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just looked the raw GDP numbers in case anyone is curious. .

  • US with CA: $30.338 trillion
  • European Union (as a whole): $20.29 trillion
  • China: $19.535 trillion
  • Germany: $4.922 t
  • Japan: $4.390 t
  • India: $4.270 t
  • California: $4.1 t
  • UK: $3.731 t
  • Skipping a few
  • Russia: $2.197 t

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u/SweetAlyssumm 1d ago

We also have a bunch of military bases. We could almost actually do this.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 1d ago edited 1d ago

Much as I'd love to see them pull it off, it's not going to happen. Most of rural California would not go along with it. They could and would sabotage roads, power stations, gas lines, water supplies, etc. There is no way the governor and the CA national guard could even begin to bring a situation like that under control if the majority of people outside the big cities aren't onboard. You'd have an unmitigated disaster on your hands even if the feds just stepped back and said "Fine, go for it." Which they won't because they're actively hostile.

If you don't have enough cynicism in your life yet, check out the "It Could Happen Here" podcast by Robert Evans. It's not enjoyable but it's something more people definitely should have been listening to.

edit: Fixed formatting and mobile mistakes

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u/elcapitan520 1d ago

Shout out to It Could Happen Here and Robert Evans 

The original series is a little harder to find now that they have a daily news show. But it's from 2019 and is a 10 episode exploration of what a US civil war would look like from the perspective of a conflict journalist who studies extremist groups.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 1d ago

I finally got around to listening to it last fall before the election. I went from feeling like "Yeah, we're probably really fucked no matter what happens in the next few years" to "Jesus Christ, we are so completely and irretrievably fucked." Then the election results came in and I had to move all my timelines up by about 10 years.

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u/elcapitan520 1d ago

Oh I listened in 2019 and live in Portland and got to follow and participate in the summer of fun 2020. Robert was an essential daily update along with other locals. Garrison is now the co-host/host of It Could Happen Here and they were just some twitch kid downtown giving a shit and streaming the protests and talking to people.