r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 1d ago

Going back to articles of confederation state power. Republicans are getting what they wanted. Not working in their favor this time

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u/wetterfish 1d ago

It works in their favor. 

  1. Trump will never let ca secede. He’ll send in the military and order them to kill American citizens before that happens, and believe me, there are enough that would go along with it. 

  2. Even if CA left, it would mean republicans are guaranteed to win the presidency pretty much every year for the foreseeable future. 

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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 1d ago

I’m pretty confident if there is any success in california doing this that other blue states are going to follow. That does not work in their favor

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u/wetterfish 1d ago

Fair. But I’m pretty confident that if blue states find success doing this, a literal civil war is a legitimate possibility because Trump will not let that happen. 

If that transpires, things will be bloody and awful for people in America. 

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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 23h ago

Kind of a game of chicken. You could be right, but it also could be enough opposition pressure to force their hands into less extreme policies.

Unfortunately for all of us. Unless Trump does enough damaging and crazy shit, we’ll never see his following break from him. Or at least, the republicans that use him for power rather than the sycophants.

It has to get very bad for us to see any actual change be possible. It’s also possible it may cross that line and get bloody. What I do know is if his behavior mirrored the first term we would have been relatively safe but quality of life still drop. We are no longer safe, but he may get so drastic he loses his power

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u/wetterfish 22h ago

My logic is based on other studies that have shown elections with the highest turnout % tend to favor democrats. 

So that would lend credibility to your “dems are lazier” narrative while also supporting my theory that Trump would have lost if those 90 million cast a vote. 

I think Trumps baseline is 25-30%, but if you look at the number that voted for him, that’s really about exactly where he is. 25-30% of the country supports him. 

The problem is, as you said, it’s a VERY devoted group of people, but I do think if we can just find ways to get 10% of that 90 million to simply cast a vote, it would dramatically shift the status quo.