r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 19h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Automatic-Wonder-299 California 19h ago

On One hand, that’s pretty unconstitutional

On the other hand, the constitution has already been shredded at this point, so who care

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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 19h ago

It's defacto secession. And m I'm all for it.

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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 19h ago

Going back to articles of confederation state power. Republicans are getting what they wanted. Not working in their favor this time

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 18h ago

The nation collapsed under the Articles of Confederation, which then had to be replaced with a stronger federal govt in the Constitution. So.....there's that.

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u/iKill_eu 17h ago

There's a fun irony in that conservatives have been preaching the wonders of small federal government for years.

Turns out if you give them what they want, the federal government cracks under the weight of the states.

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 15h ago

Which is what conservatives think they want. Until they get it. Wait until the tech-bro titans start having to deal with multiple state lawsuits because states now have different regulatory requirements. In the end they'll have to rebuild their platforms to conform to the most restrictive case, which will probably be CA.

It would be the supreme irony if by destroying the federal govt, all the businesses & tech platforms end up having to take their marching orders from California, which would undoubtedly be much more restrictive that the Federal rules had been previously.

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u/iKill_eu 15h ago

That'd be fucking rich.

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u/myfakesecretaccount 18h ago

Yep. You don’t get to trample on my State’s Rights as a Californian. Donald and all his cronies can get fucked.

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u/wetterfish 17h ago

It works in their favor. 

  1. Trump will never let ca secede. He’ll send in the military and order them to kill American citizens before that happens, and believe me, there are enough that would go along with it. 

  2. Even if CA left, it would mean republicans are guaranteed to win the presidency pretty much every year for the foreseeable future. 

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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 16h ago

I’m pretty confident if there is any success in california doing this that other blue states are going to follow. That does not work in their favor

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u/wetterfish 14h ago

Fair. But I’m pretty confident that if blue states find success doing this, a literal civil war is a legitimate possibility because Trump will not let that happen. 

If that transpires, things will be bloody and awful for people in America. 

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u/Mrmojorisincg Rhode Island 10h ago

Kind of a game of chicken. You could be right, but it also could be enough opposition pressure to force their hands into less extreme policies.

Unfortunately for all of us. Unless Trump does enough damaging and crazy shit, we’ll never see his following break from him. Or at least, the republicans that use him for power rather than the sycophants.

It has to get very bad for us to see any actual change be possible. It’s also possible it may cross that line and get bloody. What I do know is if his behavior mirrored the first term we would have been relatively safe but quality of life still drop. We are no longer safe, but he may get so drastic he loses his power

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u/wetterfish 9h ago

My logic is based on other studies that have shown elections with the highest turnout % tend to favor democrats. 

So that would lend credibility to your “dems are lazier” narrative while also supporting my theory that Trump would have lost if those 90 million cast a vote. 

I think Trumps baseline is 25-30%, but if you look at the number that voted for him, that’s really about exactly where he is. 25-30% of the country supports him. 

The problem is, as you said, it’s a VERY devoted group of people, but I do think if we can just find ways to get 10% of that 90 million to simply cast a vote, it would dramatically shift the status quo.