r/politics • u/Mason_Miami • 1d ago

Conservative group claims Trump's tariffs illegally usurp powers of Congress

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/this-unlawful-impost-must-fall-conservative-group-sues-trump-claiming-tariffs-are-unconstitutional-exercise-of-legislative-power/
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u/shangfrancisco 1d ago

Conservative group is not wrong

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u/kinkgirlwriter America 1d ago

Conservative group banned from r / conservative.

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u/RJ5R 1d ago

Lol yep. I got the boot from there by posting everything trump did that wasn't following conservative principles. You'd think they would want to know about it. They don't. They still think trump is for them, it's hilarious

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u/Clarknotclark 1d ago

This is because they don’t have principles. They have interests.

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u/your-mom-- 1d ago

Their interest is not admitting they're wrong. They know they are but at this point it's sunk cost.

At this point they're just going to blame Hunter Biden's dong, immigrants, and poor people

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u/Clarknotclark 23h ago

Online yes, but in the real world they have financial and power interests that they are promoting and forcing on the rest of us. It’s class warfare and right now they’re winning

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u/Blecki 21h ago

The billionaires aren't on reddit

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u/Steeltooth493 Indiana 16h ago

But the Muskrat billionaires would like to have their own special blend of content moderation on Reddit for everyone else.

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u/SillyGoatGruff 23h ago

They may not have principles, but some of them do have convictions

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u/Clarknotclark 23h ago

Not enough, but we can hope they get convincted more

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u/tnellysf 1d ago

If he is owning the libs, they do not care how he does it. Anything that upsets Dems is good.

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u/PeteDontCare 23h ago

These f'ing libs in this damn conservative group!

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u/Red49er 19h ago

they're also simply....not conservatives, they're regressives/racists/etc.

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u/BasicLayer 12h ago

That is exactly what this is. The 'GOP' is no more; the party usurpation is now complete and set in stone. What today is masquerading as the 'republican party' in America is anything but. I challenge anyone who'd voted R this past presidential election to simply Google the early warning signs of fascism and take an honest inventory of what currently is perpetuated by their party.

I guarantee most of them will however allow their emotions to intervene, prohibiting an honest inspection of the warning signs. Most will deny, reject, dismiss. They will whataboutism out of any potential accurate recognition of their and their party's faults mirrored in the warning signs. And this is a key part of what allows fascism to rise -- they reject what does not comport with what they 'feel.'

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u/tinysydneh 19h ago

Most of them, their entire "interest" is "fuck them people over dere".

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u/Particular-County277 15h ago

Thanks for the lol

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u/kanst 15h ago

They do have principles it's just distinctly not conservative. It's reactionary and anti intellectual.

I feel like the core of MAGA is being mad at educated people telling you what to do. But that ideology leaves bo rooms for experts of their own.

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u/malignantz 1d ago

I got banned for posting videotaped quotes of Donald Trump speaking about his daughter. They just don't want to hear the truth. Sad, because I was looking forward to engaging in their unflaired threads. However, they put a stop to that pretty quickly, so I guess it doesn't matter.

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u/Phillimon America 1d ago

Did they call you a brigadier or a RINO?

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u/whomad1215 1d ago

Help help we're being brigaded!

In the sub where you can only comment if you've been approved by the mods, and any dissenting opinions/facts gets you permanently banned

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u/Cleev 14h ago

I got banned for asking for for a source to support what another commenter was saying.

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u/thortmb 1d ago

O god, what's a RINO?

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u/PolygonIsGone 1d ago

Republican In Name Only

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u/thortmb 1d ago

Wow lol

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u/SillyGoatGruff 23h ago

For what it's worth, it's a pretty old term that predates trump. DINO is the democrat version

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u/whatproblems 23h ago

considering the party is taken over by maga, rinos should make thier own republican party

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u/Full_Boysenberry_198 23h ago

I’ve long said that Trump is the true RINO

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u/Sigurdshead Canada 22h ago

Yeah, but he calls McConnell a RINO and MAGA eats it up

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u/Red49er 19h ago

we would not be in an awful state if by the end of this we had 4 parties instead of 2(and a hair)

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u/Red49er 19h ago

we would not be in an awful state if by the end of this we had 4 parties instead of 2(and a hair)

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u/Joe579GoFkUrselfMins 20h ago

🎶With a tow row row row row row to the liberal brigadiers!🎶

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u/cal_ness 1d ago

It’s hilarious lurking over there and every third comment is about getting downvoted / the conspiracy afoot with renegade downvoters from other subs. Not dissimilar from their leader; thin skinned attention seeking wastoid snowflakes.

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u/the-spaghetti-wives 22h ago

It's not a true conservative subreddit. It's r/The_Donald rebranded after their rightful ban.

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u/Capt_Foxch 15h ago

True conservatives have about the same level of political representation as Progressive voters these days.

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u/throwawtphone 21h ago

R / conservative is the old subreddit the _ donald.

Pretty sure that and r / conspiracy is where they migrated too after it was shut down.

Sucks too, ruined the fun of conspiracy went from hidden aliens bases and bigfeets and junk and stuff to q anon crapolla. Fun no more.

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u/Maleficent_Target_98 18h ago

Come over to r/paranormal if you want ghost and kind of stuff.

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u/icanswimforever 21h ago

To be fair, that subreddit is so tightly controlled that it's really just a propaganda place. Not sure it represents much of anything.

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u/FlyingStealthPotato 23h ago

It helps to realize that words don’t really have a standard meaning as much as they used to. “Conservative”, “liberal”, “left”, “right” all have completely different meanings to different people. I honestly think if you took those blanket words out of the equation, people would realize they agree with each other much more than they disagree. The rich always win the language war.

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u/dotBombAU 17h ago

I see your problem. You tried to apply logic to a group that runs on emotions.

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u/4d7e Foreign 16h ago

And then they probably laughed at how much the left crybabies can't accept reality, all while trying to tell themselves that getting poorer is somehow for the best.

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u/DennisC1986 10h ago

Because they aren't conservatives. They are cultists who will think whatever dear leader tells them to think.

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u/Clean_Brilliant_8586 6h ago

Even if they don't think he's for them, they think "the libs" are worse. Whatever Trump does, it would have been worse under Democrats. If Trump bankrupts us, Harris would have murdered all of us, individually, in our beds, and made balloon animals out the entrails of our children.

Gay, cross-dressing balloon animals, too.

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u/rumbleokc05 21h ago

Interesting. What principle is he not following? Give an example.

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u/Ja3k_Frost 23h ago

That whole sub is a total joke. You can probably boil 80-90% of all posts and comments into 3 categories.

“I’m going to take a principled stance and say this is bad, I wish trump would stay on message, we’re not like those liberals, we’re free to disagree here”

“Wow the brigades are out in force today, lotta libs in these comments, hi r-politics, you know trumps over the target when we’re being SUPPRESSED!!!”

“Hey look at this news article about a brown/trans person doing something bad”

That’s it, that’s all it is. Though not gonna lie, the “we’re not like liberals, we support free speech and diversity of thought” angle is really funny.

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u/BRNitalldown 21h ago

Unflaired users comments don’t even show up there. I’m pretty sure upvotes and downvotes don’t work either unless you’re flaired (and presumably not banned). But man, don’t they complain so often.

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u/Hurtzdonut13 21h ago

If you use a browser that ignores css then you can upvote/downvote.

There was a guy posting earlier on that sub that used to have a flair, but his last posts were removed and he was shadow banned because he disagreed about the tariffs being a 100% good thing and he was so confused because it was the liberals that ban dissent.

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u/BRNitalldown 20h ago

I’m not familiar with how it really works, but sometimes I link to weeks to months-old posts on that sub which causes the number of hidden comments to go up (of course, they don’t show). So I know there’s engagement, but the votes never change on the post nor in the comments, if that clears it up.

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u/Cpt_Advil 22h ago

That’s because r / conservative is a fascist subreddit

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u/shrug_addict 22h ago

Hello fellow conservative! It's obviously leftist brigading! We're all on board!

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u/GeekDNA0918 23h ago

El Oh El!!!!

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u/ECE12 22h ago

Best comment

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u/MusicIsTheWay 22h ago

Welcome to the fucking club.

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u/Healmetho 22h ago

lol! This is gold

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u/BuilderNo5268 22h ago

Brigadeer???? Their favorite new word

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u/pygmydeathcult 17h ago

How many until the "RINOs" become the majority? Seems appropriately in line with the "not all Christians" and "not all cops" rhetoric from the party of thin blue lines and bibles.

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u/AINonsense 16h ago

Conservative group banned from r / conservative.

Poor, poor 'conservatives,' constantly 'brigaded' by that 'free speech' they pretend to worship.

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u/kinkgirlwriter America 10h ago

'free speech'

Flaired Users Only

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u/randomluka 15h ago

Half or more of that group are living in la la land thinking this is 11-D chess.

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u/Gambit1022 1d ago

Damn, not a sentence I ever thought I would find myself agreeing with.

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u/JahoclaveS 1d ago

Well, you could rewrite the sentence as “conservative group acknowledges reality for once.”

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago

Presumably because it started affecting them somehow.

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u/NotAPreppie Illinois 1d ago

I didn't think the leopards would eat \MY\** face!

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u/stanthebat 23h ago

They're worried that Trump destroying the world economy will cost them future elections.

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u/Peach_Mediocre 1d ago

“Conservative group acknowledges reality ONLY when the alternative takes away their money

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u/Reverend-Keith 1d ago

Broken clocks and all that

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u/SharMarali New Jersey 1d ago

Heartbreaking:

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u/MandibleofThunder 1d ago

Dunno - the Lincoln Project has been speaking a lot of sense since 2019 far as I remember.

Don't know shit about their fiscal or social policies - but they're a Republican group that has been going HARD after Trump for 6+ years now.

I'm sure they're a bunch of Federalist society dickbags that still believe in aggressive 1800s agrarianism, but they make some funny-ass videos

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u/Tovius01 22h ago

Not as much as you'd hope. They did support DeSantis, after all.

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u/MandibleofThunder 22h ago

I immediately rescind whatever small praise I may have given them before.

I just threw up in my mouth.

Like a lot.

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u/SillyGoatGruff 23h ago

They hate trump, but are still GOP and want all the same regressive shit the rest of the party does. They just want someone more subtle and respectable to represent them

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u/MandibleofThunder 22h ago

I mean totally fair assessment.

And like I've been saying in a lot of my recent comments: "We all get it, you read Atlas Shrugged"

If I had to pick between the Great Orange Satan and your bog-standard Republican ...

Well, #47 is digging his own grave with the rest of casket and six feet of dirt on top of him and just keeping the shovelwork going hard.

So maybe a new age of prosperity after the Reds are voted out.

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u/purefire 1d ago

Not all conservatives back Maga

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u/Trapezoidoid 1d ago

What is that creature I see fluttering about in the sky, off in the distance? It’s pink and fat and has a big snout. I’ve never seen anything like it.

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u/Levin671 1d ago

It even has large majestic white-feathered wings!

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u/Minikickass 1d ago

The problem is that congress keeps yielding their power to the executive...

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u/ProfessionalEgg40 15h ago

Yes. Because the president HAS term limits (as of now anyway...) while Congress does not. Why take votes in unpopular things that might get you defeated in the next election when the president can declare an emergency and has term limits if it gets us into the proverbial land war in Asia (or the middle east as it turns out). BONUS: congressional committee assignments and leadership largely track with seniority.

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u/AdventurousSeaSlug 1d ago

But this is what they wanted. They now will have to accept the consequences and reality of what they voted, fought, and worked for. I feel only pity for the Americans who fought and voted for Kamala. FAFO.

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u/druscarlet 23h ago

They are all for Mango Mussolini until it impacts them.

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u/bihari_baller Oregon 1d ago

Conservative group is not wrong

New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA). Don't know why it was so hard to not put that in the headline.

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u/PeteDontCare 23h ago

Not as click bait-y when written that way

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u/EggsceIlent 1d ago

That's a big part of these tariffs people dont get.

They are effectively bargain/bribe/threat tools that are under the control of the executive branch only which allows him to bypass Congress.

It would require a veto vote of Congress, would be all of the Dems and a large majority of the Republicans which isn't going to happen because they do as theyre told.

Even if it did pass without that veto majority, the POTUS said he'd veto it.

So if a vote does happen, watch who votes no. They're absolutely complicit in all of this.

And they only will vote no if they realize as midterms get closer that they will be voted out.

So do they do as trump says and go down with the ship? Or vote to say their own sorry asses that allowed this to happen.

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u/peterabbit456 22h ago

Tariff power of the executive is supposed to be an emergency power for fixing emergencies, not creating them.

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u/Hurtzdonut13 21h ago

Yeah, Trump made up an "emergency" and then just started doing things completely unrelated to the "emergency" he declared. It's blatantly invalid but the GOP is going to back him regardless.

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u/Space_Sweetness 4h ago

Even if it won’t happen, congress can overturn a veto from the president. There’s a reason the founding fathers made congress the most powerful branch of the government.

  1. The president vetoes a bill that Congress has passed.
  2. Congress can try to override the veto by voting again.
  3. To succeed, two-thirds (67%) of both the House and Senate must vote in favor of the bill.

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u/EggsceIlent 2h ago

Absolutely correct and thank you for pointing that out.

I would hope, as all of us do, that if a bill did get in front of him that he vetoed, that they would absolutely hold a session or vote to veto it immediately.

Just a lot of ifs in all of that, so I sincerely hope if they take their shot, they get it right the first time and don't miss.

We've all seen what happens when you don't and when you give Trump another run at it. 

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u/Space_Sweetness 2h ago

In this hypothetical scenario they would also need to get rid of Mike Johnson as speaker of the house since he will never allow this to happen

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u/FerrumVeritas 1d ago

For once

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u/eric_ts 23h ago

Aren't they cute, thinking they still have any power?

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u/whutupmydude 23h ago

hello_fellow_conservative.gif has entered the chat

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u/AskMeAboutOkapis 22h ago

If only there were some conservatives in congress with the power to do something about this

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u/Frmr-drgnbyt 20h ago

Even a broken clock is right twice a day....

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u/Dramatic-Emphasis-43 19h ago

Many Conservative groups were singing a different tune a few months ago.

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u/kaukamieli 18h ago

Conservative group is just a bit late, as they didn't give a fuck about him running over congress before.

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u/ForgettableUsername America 16h ago

Well, they’re probably wrong about some stuff, but not this.

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u/tpscoversheet1 9h ago

Not wrong... Brainwashed. Ala 1939 Germany...multiple generations of reprogramming. Citizens United captured the courts ala rise of Nazi political power vs democratic. Indifference toward human beings...crippling education. It's not wrong, it's not even original .... It's a rerun. History.... Let's try economy.... 1930s corporations were barred from purchasing their own shares as an outcome of why the 1929 crash occurred.. this was a major contributor.... 1980's Reagan admin repealed the ban ....voodoo trickle down economics never trickled down.... Anyone with a 401k is holding into exaggerated values....

Humans seem to love a major war every 50-100 years... History is the cheat sheet