r/politics • u/Mason_Miami • 1d ago

Conservative group claims Trump's tariffs illegally usurp powers of Congress

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/this-unlawful-impost-must-fall-conservative-group-sues-trump-claiming-tariffs-are-unconstitutional-exercise-of-legislative-power/
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u/GaimeGuy Minnesota 1d ago edited 1d ago

I really don't see how any common sense interpretation of these tariffs can conclude they are in response to an emergency. The government has been quite clear that it is simply imposing them because it wants to, shifting from talks of cartels, to fentanyl, to "ripping us off blah blah blah" to "Nothing can be done to change my mind." on a day to day basis.

There's no policy objective, so what's the emergency? And emergency tariffs are the only ones that are supposed to be permitted, like when a nation tries to undercut a market on seasonal goods to critically wound its domestic supply - this is generally the purview of ministries in parliamentary bodies, so it makes sense to vest the authority in the executive branch to respond in kind, in those instances

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u/schwanzweissfoto 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ignoring laws and conjuring justifications from thin air is nazi shit. It was proven to work in Germany in the 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_exception

A state of exception (German: Ausnahmezustand) is a concept introduced in the 1920s by the German philosopher, jurist and Nazi Party member Carl Schmitt, similar to a state of emergency (martial law) but based in the sovereign's ability to transcend the rule of law […] he defined political sovereignty as, essentially, the ability to ignore the law […]

Edit: How to deal with such a thing? “As always: Kill Hitler!” – Colonel Chestbridge (Danger 5)

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u/tehMarzipanEmperor 1d ago

There's a long history of political assassinations. Typically, when the assassin is successful, the outcome is very volatile, tending towards the opposite of what the assassin hoped to accomplish.

It's not done because it doesn't work.

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u/schwanzweissfoto 1d ago

It's not done because it doesn't work.

In any democracy, you can easily find a new / backup leadership. In a dictatorship with a cult of personality though …

A lot of people tried to kill Hitler. Even male models:

Encouraged by Claus Stauffenberg, Major Axel von dem Bussche agreed to carry out a suicide bombing in order to kill Hitler. Bussche, who was over two meters tall, blonde and blue-eyed, exemplified the Nazi "Nordic ideal" and was thus chosen to personally model the Army's new winter uniform in front of Hitler. In his backpack, Bussche concealed a landmine, which he planned to detonate while embracing Hitler. However, the viewing was canceled after the rail car containing the new uniforms was destroyed in an Allied air raid on Berlin.

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Ewald von Kleist attempted a scheme similar to Von dem Bussche's. However, the uniform inspection was once again postponed, and eventually cancelled by Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler

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u/tehMarzipanEmperor 1d ago edited 1d ago

Right...there were 40-some-odd plots against Hitler, around 20 serious...and they all failed.

But more to the point, the July 20 Plot did two things: (1) it gave Hitler the opportunity to settle old scores, deepening his control over Germany and (2) it gave him the delusion that he was saved by God and reinforced his determination to see the war through to the bitter end.

This is the direct opposite of what Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators wanted to achieve.

Edit - You should read "Killer Hitler" by Roger Moorhouse.

Edit - Look at the Trump assassination attempt. This did the opposite of what the shooter had hoped.

Consider the assassination of Julius Ceasar by the Senate...again, it did the opposite of what they had hoped.

What about the Archduke Ferdinand? What did Gavrilo Princip want? Serbian Independence. How did that go?

Again, the reason that political assassination isn't used is because it does not work.

Edit - Lord Mountbatten's assassination by the IRA didn't go so well for Irish Independence, if I recall correctly.

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u/Legio-X Oklahoma 1d ago edited 1d ago

What about the Archduke Ferdinand? What did Gavrilo Princip want? Serbian Independence. How did that go?

Idk, this is one of those cases the assassin actually achieved short-term and long-term success. Princip and his co-conspirators wanted to kill Ferdinand so he couldn’t alleviate ethnic tensions in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Bosnian Serbs would be easier to incite to revolt. Ultimately, he caused the total disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the annexation of Bosnia into the Serbian-led Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

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u/DuckDatum 1d ago

All I know is Fry drank a bottle of water and it wasn’t even like 2 days before he had conscripts poking straws at his neck.

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u/thismorningscoffee 16h ago

PLEASE DO NOT DRINK THE EMPEROR

That sign arrived just in time

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u/Dus-Sn 23h ago

...but why male models?

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u/True_Paper_3830 16h ago

Stauffenberg was a bit of a looker too until fighting for the Nazi's got bits blown off him and made him change his mind about Hitler. That he and Bussche tried to kill Hitler surely goes against the notion that all good looking people are shallow.

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u/schwanzweissfoto 16h ago edited 16h ago

Hell, one of the most well-known fictional nazi killers William Joseph Blazkowicz is a large, muscular man with dark-blonde hair, blue eyes, and a strong jaw.

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u/True_Paper_3830 15h ago

Indeed, and though he didn't play a Nazi, Brad Pitt is another blonde he-man example of a Nazi killer. Ironic that the main Nazi's looked like crap while their would be assassins looked like their masterrace ideal.

Georg Elser, the carpenter who also nearly succeeded looked much better than Hitler. That guy had a brilliant plan, using skill and imagination, it was still a miss but the guy nearly stopped 80 million-odd deaths and the holocaust. We'd never have known it, but he'd have been Earth's biggest historical hero. Hitler hadn't even gone full-on Hitler at the time so it was a bigger risk for an 'ordinary' person to take on mentally and morally compared to his later assassins when Hitler had already done his worst to the world.

Goring wasn't keen on war as it would ruin the 'good thing' he had going so taking out Hitler could have avoided World War II completely. Georg Elser, we salute you.

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u/Commercial_Stop_3003 1d ago

It's not done because it doesn't work.

Tell that to Lincoln. 

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u/ReasonableWerewolf10 Indiana 1d ago

this is true. unfortunately in most cases, taking out a political figurehead only means they're replaced with one of their friends — who is even worse amidst all of the ensuing chaos. in this case too, supposing we "kill hitler", he would just be replaced by a hitler clone.

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u/schwanzweissfoto 1d ago

“Given a time machine, would you kill Hitler?” – “No, who knows what could happen, it could get worse!”

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u/newtbob 19h ago

Good point. A different but similar parallel could be drawn with Iran and the takedown of Saddam Hussein.