It’s worse than what you think.
She’s a “deliverance pastor”
and runs a “Christian” school.
She indoctrinates children into believing they have demons, and “delivers” them from these so called demons.
As someone who grew up in a cult who had deliverance pastors “cast demons” out of me from 8 to 14, I can not tell you how damaging and physiologically/ emotionally abusive this is.
She is a mentally ill narcissist who belongs in prison.
There is no telling how many children she has fucked up for life.
Yes, he played that same trick other conservative leader types often do.
In the clip the guy above posted he was literally praying for a vaccine for covid to come as fast as possible. He was pro-vax until it was clear his flock wasn't
It was questionable still hosting sermons during the height of Covid imo a lot more Christ-fearing elderly folk would still be here if it wasn’t for that like they got covid from church and died. His output was on a similar level to antivax folk.
and if people had any stake in their religion they’d know and understand the origins of their god.
I’ve studied the history of the Abrahamic god for 30 years, and I never believed in that god in the first place.
The Abrahamic god is three gods in the Canaanite pantheon rolled into one monotheistic religion.
El, Yahweh and Asherah, El’s consort or wife. El was the god that created all gods, including Ba’al, Anat, Yahweh.
The worship of El is very clear in the Torah/Bible. Elyon, El Shaddai, El Elyon. Yahweh doesn’t show up for another 900 years in the historical context of the Torah, even though Yahweh was a main god worshiped by the ancient Canaanites.
Asherah was the creator of all living beings. Her creation story was then used by the Israelites as “gods” creation story. Not a single thing in the Torah/Bible originated from the Israelites. Every single thing in it is Akkadian, Sumerian, Assyrian, Babylonian history, myth and folklore.
The Abrahamic god does not exist and the proof is in the history of the god(s).
Might there be a book or articles you might recommend that outlines the lineage of this? I'm curious about learning more, not on a PhD level, more of a love history level, aka lifelong learner.
I'd like the same, but in a podcast format, as I don't have the time and patience to read through it all, but I'd love to hear about all the distant origins of all the stories and lessons in the bible and other texts
There are YouTube channels that are like lectures but with photo overlays.
I think maybe see what the algorithm brings you by plugging this in:
https://youtu.be/dPFBIzbF8Bk?si=uYeUUanDar8n4ppO
So you support the reading of rhe bible as henotheistic Hebrews knowing that there were other gods than theirs, but having bound themselves to an acendant power in the region they trusted that their god would lead them safely to their place at the top of the pile (barring iron chariots and such complicating things)?
Religions are a grift that build upon the people’s self delusion that is faith. Faith in deities has historically been a way to describe and find answers for things you don’t understand in the world. Deities are a handy thing that can plug those nasty holes of ignorance and provide explanations for things that you feel are unfair, sudden, random or just generally out of your control. For some reason many people want to also believe that there is something after death and deities supposedly provide that if you just have faith in them and act subserviently. They are also the ultimate get out of jail card for your own failings where you can find the solace and forgiveness to your conscience praying these deities. Fuck the victims of your mistakes, because god forgives and everything is fine.
Throughout the history, people in power have found that this phenomenon is a handy tool to control the population and maybe pump some of that hard earned cash out of them. So we have the different religion structures that have been often tightly tied to royal families, nobility and so on and in many places, to politics to this day.
People who say “but there are good Christians too.” Well where they?
Why aren’t they being loud as fuck against the people preaching this hatred in the name of their god?
Why aren’t they storming churches, or at least protesting them.
They’re all cowards. If anyone had any conviction in their religion they would at least speak against false prophets. Abrahamic religions are the stem of all evil.
Especially when it comes to the abuse of children.
I know good Christians. I know people that visit the sick after a hard day’s work, who help clean up their communities and help the poor. I respect them enormously, I just don’t share their religion.
Same. Good Christians are not all up in your face telling you how good they are. They are quietly charitable. They lead by example, but don’t necessarily pin their religion to their actions. These people exist.
One of my Christian friends recently made a post on FB where she pointed out it was her religious duty to take care of herself and live a good life, NOT to shove her beliefs down others’ throats.
Those are good people who happen to be Christian. Christianity isn’t (or shouldn’t be) the reason people behave decently, though it is often the reason people behave badly.
Being loud as fuck against the abusive Christians doesn't work, they just push back harder. Report them to the law if they commit crime, but apart from that, be a quiet moral example of what a Christian should be. Feed the poor and hungry, help homeless people, be a good person, be humble, etc.
My beliefs are irrelevant. Under your view no Christian would be permitted to live their own life so long as any jackass out there is bearing false witness. It’s an unfair burden to put on people.
No, it's actually your egregious pretentiousness. I don't even practice man, you aren't getting a decent debate over the intricacies of the bible from me. But that doesn't even matter because you just can't help yourself, even if you continue to reply.
You're the reason why I don't tell people I even browse this site. Y'all gave it quite the rep.
Yeah, cause it’s atheists that knock on my door, or stop me in the street asking me if I’ve heard the good news. It’s atheist trying to use political pressure to ensure their bs is taught in schools etc.
No debate on the intricacies of the Bible on Reddit is necessary when Christian’s keep trying to force it on me in person! They just can’t help themselves! In fact, in many cases it’s part of the central expectations of their church to try and convert others.
Yes there are a**holes online that attack people for their beliefs, but calling someone pretentious (using a word most redditors won’t know the meaning of!) and telling them “you can’t help yourself” is jaw-droppingly hypocritical!
Why aren’t they being loud as fuck against the people preaching this hatred in the name of their god?
Why aren’t they storming churches, or at least protesting them.
Right? Even Jesus stormed in and started flipping tables.
South park season 10 episode 12 gives you the answer.
Bad people are bad people. You could argue that religion gives them a tool, but they really don't need much of a tool, even a homer-simpson designed "truck" is enough to create a cult to rally around.
If anyone had any conviction in their religion they would at least speak against false prophets
You are aware of Protestant sects right? That's literally exactly what that is, people speaking out against corrupt practices (mostly of the Catholic faith). I'm less familiar with other Abrahamic religion history but from what I do know it's fairly universal for sects to be created to go against corrupt practices that form.
Are you also aware of the history here? The centuries of blood shed over trying to fight against the corruption? Violence doesn't work here, because hate easily creates extremist believers, people who overlook their sides corrupt practices to try and fight others.
The correct path forward is the one that many (both with and without faith in various religions and sects) are taking. To promote separation of church and state. To help those who need help, while trying to show the hypocrisy in others. It's unfortunately failing in the US, but people failing to solve societal problems in the US is definitely nothing new, and I have a hard time blaming particular subgroups when the failure is universal.
Give to Caesars what is Caesars and to God what is God's. Separation of church and state is backed biblically and many believers promote the idea, and it's what we really need here. Sunday school on Sundays, real school the other days.
My boss is one and he also hates Trump which very much surprised me but was quite a relief. Over the past two years he's helped me out more than any other person outside my own family ever has. Nicest guy I've ever met.
Like the rest of us he has a full time job. What is he supposed to go do? Sadly we have to work to live.
That’s some nuclear grade bullshit. A complete absolution of any responsibility or agency in stopping evil shit from happening because of “gOd’s pLaN’ - a “good” Christian may well be a shitty person, a dummy and a coward.
You would be arguing with everyone all day every day. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. It everything requires you to go from 1-10. If you don’t like a church then find a new one. If someone isn’t speaking to you then find someone who does. Just let people worship who they like and not discriminate because of their religion.
I told an old guy at the grocery store who got confused about my Lamb of God hoodie (the metal band) that I'm an atheist and he said if I end up in Hell, there's no coming back. People think I'm pure evil when I mention I'm an atheist, but I have better morals than they do.
Yup, had a woman who just came out of surgery and was cursing all of us in the recovery ward. God will kill you, you’re going to hell, etc, etc. told her I’m agnostic so your god can do whatever he wants. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest lol.
The hypocrisy of their actions doesn’t seem to bother those people, they belittle you and curse you out but think they are the perfect person. Makes cognitive dissonance do a double take when it comes across them.
House guys are saying what took me years to finally accept. What gets me is that some people will read our posts accepting the fact that there is no God and think that we're worse than these "Ass Clowns 🤡"
that are flat out stealing people's life savings and destroying lives with their dangerous beliefs 🤨🤫
Different ones.
The demon of:
Rebellion
Disbelief
Trickery
Foolishness
Nervousness
Depression
Homosexuality
Anger
Those are the ones I remember the most. There were a lot of others.
The creepiest thing about these “deliverances” would be the rest of the congregation chanting “ by the blood”, while simultaneously, the deliverance pastor, whispering “by the blood by the blood by the blood” over and over in my ear for hours every time they would call on a demon to come out.
Shit still gives me chills when I think about it. Which I don’t do often anymore. I’m 49 now. A lot of life has happened since then.
It astonishes me how this "deliverance" "ceremony" very closely resembles "pagan" "rituals" in the chanting & group/hive empowerment. In fact, this video is these people attempting to claim power over nature & invoking* the name of a deity.
It is out here in the midwest (here in TN). They prayed over (using aggressive language demanding the demon to leave) my best friends Dialysis machine because one of his church members said he saw a raven on it. He passed away that day. It was very strange as I too am a Christian but that was all jarring to watch, among other things they did. In many ways I am still appreciative they came and tried, but the guy who saw a Raven kinda freaks me out. They claim to be denominational but I believe they're called "Charismatics" which is a more active or hands on type of Christianity. I just wanted my buddy to pull through so I wasn't about to get in the way.
Wow, I was just raised by fanatical Catholics and I feel fucked for life, can’t imagine this. Well I guess my grandma did blame demons when I woke up in a cold sweat terrified as a child…
I don’t think there are levels of spiritual trauma. I think it’s all encompassing. Catholicism has its own head fuckery in it all.
Children shouldn’t be subjected to religion until they can consent to the indoctrination. Fanatical is fanatical and it’s damaging no matter which way you look at it.
I worked at a small grocery store owned by some "born again something or another" pastor. This was in Canada where this sort of religiosity is uncommon. The owner caught two teens stealing soy milk (of all things lol) and brought him into his office and called the cops. My buddy had a question for the owner so he went up to see him. When he walked in, he saw his boss performing some exorcism on the poor kids. My buddy was telling me this, laughing so hard he was tearing up. Apparently they looked half scared, half confused.
When I was a kid my grandma hired someone to take the demon out of me and put it into a cat.
I agreed on the condition that I could keep the cat. It didn’t happen.
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u/wrathbringer1984 2d ago
Every time I hear someone "speaking in tongues," this is what I think of.