r/AcademicBiblical 19d ago

Question What is the origin of the idea that angels wear white clothes?

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The Bible often describes angels as wearing white (see John 20:12 for one example)

What is the historical origin/reason for this depiction?

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Weekly Open Discussion Thread
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  19d ago

Dale Allison seems to say in this video here that he has a book coming out this spring about miracles.

Anyone know what he is talking about?

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Get in, loser.
 in  r/SupermanAdventures  19d ago

To be honest, I was hoping they would actually flashback to Smallville when Brainiac looked through Clark's memories.

Missed opportunity, especially since they have already foreshadowed Lana Lang in the show.

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Paul’s Iconic Christ among Mediterranean Cult Statues: A Comparison of Divine Images
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Mar 08 '25

What are your thoughts about his argument in this article?

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Paul’s Iconic Christ among Mediterranean Cult Statues: A Comparison of Divine Images
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Mar 08 '25

When Paul’s iconic claims about Christ are redescribed and contextualized in terms derived from such comparanda, it becomes possible to conclude that the messiah is no mere representation of the Jewish god, indexing a human ‘signifier’ of the divine ‘signified’ with a hard and fast distinction between them. Nor is there a straightforward identification of the messiah with or as the Jewish god himself, contained within ‘the unique identity of the one God’ (Bauckham 2020: 146), as somehow one and the same by virtue of shared acts, attributes, or prerogatives. Rather, Paul’s iconic Christ can be understood more precisely as a presentification of the Jewish god, making visually present and locally accessible a deity who is normally nonobvious to human sense perception. Put simply, the messiah is not the Jewish god; he is an image of that god. But, precisely as such, he is a living ‘proxy’ or ‘cult manifestation’ of divine presence, power, agency, and action, serving as a site for ritualized acts such as invocation, petition, meals, and so on (Novenson 2019: 13), while nevertheless remaining entangled with but distinguished from the god he images.62

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The image, while always remaining nothing less than an image, has effectively become something more: a ‘double’ or a ‘second like object’. The same logic applies to cult statues. In a guidebook to the seven wonders of the ancient world, attributed to Philon of Byzantium, the author claims that, by fashioning an image of the god Helios out of a quality of material that corresponds to the splendour of the god himself, the imagemaker ‘made the god equal to the god’ (τῷ θεῷ τὸν θεὸν ἴσον ἐποίησεν), and ‘in this way he achieved a great work … since he established for the world a second Helios’ (On the Seven Wonders of the World 4.6).63 As it happens, the Greek word commonly used to connote this kind of image (i.e., a ‘double’ or ‘second like object’) is εἴδωλον, popularly known by its transliteration into English as ‘idol’.64 So, I conclude, provocatively perhaps, that Paul’s iconic Christ may well be redescribed in other terms as a true and living idol. Or, in descriptive terms closer to Paul’s own, the messiah is a cult image of the Jewish god.

r/AcademicBiblical Mar 08 '25

Article/Blogpost Paul’s Iconic Christ among Mediterranean Cult Statues: A Comparison of Divine Images

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Free for All Friday, 31 January, 2025
 in  r/badhistory  Feb 01 '25

Can we talk about how well Black Ops 2 predicted 2025?

Second Cold War with China over rare earth elements.

The rise of massive drone attacks as used by Russia and Iran for example.

Anything else I'm missing?

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What's one historical fact that they won't teach you in school?
 in  r/AskReddit  Jan 04 '25

But it doesn't say anything about this part of your comment:

wasn't outlawed by the 13th amendment.

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Free for All Friday, 03 January, 2025
 in  r/badhistory  Jan 03 '25

Askreddit had a recent question asking about historical facts.

What is the verdict on the accuracy of the answers?

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What's one historical fact that they won't teach you in school?
 in  r/AskReddit  Jan 03 '25

They had Native American 'slaves' that wasn't outlawed by the 13th amendment.

Wait, what?

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Is the diversity of early Christianity overstated by modern scholars?
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Jan 03 '25

I am removing your comment for a few reasons:

First, as has been pointed out the polemical quote against Pagels is from a random reviewer on the internet, not Jenkins.

Second, you seem to be insinuating something about Jenkins without any substantive criticism.

Third, Jenkins himself has a PhD in history from the University of Cambridge and is a valid source for this sub

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Did Mary really witness the crucifixion?
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Jan 01 '25

Sorry my quote didnt load at first. Can you see the quote in my comment now?

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Did Mary really witness the crucifixion?
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Jan 01 '25

Dale Allison says (page 79 footnote 230):

One may object, against this option that Jesus in John 19 entrusts Mary to the beloved disciple. Would this make sense if James and his brothers were already disciples? The problem here is that many of us do not have great confidence in a scene that (i) lacks a synoptic parallel, (ii) accords with John's promotion of the Beloved Disciple; (iii) leaves one with the question of why Jesus' mother, if she is in Jerusalem, is nowhere said to have observed his burial or gone to his tomb

r/AcademicBiblical Dec 22 '24

Question Did any 1st century Jews besides Josephus think Vespasian was the Messiah?

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Josephus famously thought Vespasian was the Messiah. Did any other Jews at the time believe this, or was Josephus unique?

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If the gospel of Mark was really written with allusions to Homer, what can we conclude about it's author?
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Dec 17 '24

Do you think the parallels on pg 23 are strong enough to establish that Mark read Homer? Or do you think the whole argument is tenuous?

r/AcademicBiblical Dec 17 '24

Question Did the author of Revelation intend the seal on the foreheads of the 144,000 (Rev 7:3) to be a cross or chi-ro?

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Revelation 7:3 describes a seal being placed on the 144,000. I have seen photos of Roman seals that depict shapes and symbols. Is it possible that the author imagined the seal as a cross or chi-ro? Though I am not sure if Christians used these symbols at the time Revelation was written.

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The Gospels and Palestine Geography
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Oct 27 '24

Zeichmann is ultimately in favor of rural Syria as the origin for the Gospel of Mark.

Minor correction, Zeichmann thinks Mark was written in Galilee (perhaps Capernaum. )

Alan Cadwallader (quoted in the thread you linked to) thinks it was written in rural Syria.

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The Gospels and Palestine Geography
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Oct 26 '24

For Mark at least, Ehrman is out of date. See Christopher Zeichmann's comment here.

Dr. Zeichman points out in his thesis (pgs 30-32), that Mark's bad geography is still compatible with a composition in Palestine

r/AskHistorians Oct 19 '24

Do any historians consider the Manchu-dominated Qing Dynasty an apartheid state?

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It seems that there is a similarity to apartheid in that an ethnic minority (the Manchus) ruled over an ethnic majority (Han Chinese).

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Was Acts originally a brief made in defense of Paul at his trial?
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Oct 07 '24

Santiago Guijarro has a paper arguing that Luke was written in the aftermath of the alterations to the fiscus judaicus under Domitian's rule. It seems that Luke is writing after Nerva undid Domitian's mess, and his focus on repentant tax collectors may reflect the debate over their incorporation into the Christian movement in the aftermath of Domitian. He also inserts a reference to the delatores and uses a more fitting word to refer to the Fiscus Judaicus.

This would date Luke (and by extension Acts) to the end of the first century at the earliest.

See also the comment section here

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[EVENT] AMA with Dr. Christopher Zeichmann
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Sep 24 '24

Thank you!

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[EVENT] AMA with Dr. Christopher Zeichmann
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Sep 24 '24

Hello Dr. Zeichmann, I hope it is OK if I ask 2 related questions based on this:

In such a case, it seems likely to me that such an author would misinterpret the references to the Sea he may have been familiar with on account of his education (e.g., the Odyssey, the LXX, Xenophon) as hyperbole

  1. Can you elaborate on what kind of education you think the author of Mark had? I find it interesting that you say he may have known the Odyssey or Xenophon. I believe Dr. Walsh has also suggested that Mark may have been familiar with Virgil.

  2. Is there anything else you think we can deduce about the author and his (or her?) views? So far you said that he is Jewish, from Jerusalem but fled to Galilee, and may have been a youth when Jesus was preaching.

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[EVENT] AMA with Dr. Christopher Zeichmann
 in  r/AcademicBiblical  Sep 24 '24

Hello Dr. Zeichman,

Thank you for doing this AMA.

My questions:

  1. You have argued that Mark was written in the Southern Levant, perhaps by a Jewish refugee from Jerusalem who was a youth during the time of Jesus' ministry (if I am understanding your Capernaum paper correctly). Would the crucifixion darkness (Mark 15:33) pose a problem for this theory? Shouldn't the author and his readers have known there was no darkness then?

  2. You have argued that the Gerasene demoniac story is unrelated to Legio X Fretensis. Nathanel Vette was on the Biblical Time Machine podcast recently and put forward the suggestion that the story of the pigs drowning could also be a reference to the Siege of Tarichaea where Vespasian drowned rebels (celebrated on Victoria Navalis coins). Do you think this is a possible source of the story?

  3. On a similar note, Vette argues that the stories of Jesus calming the sea and walking on water may be partially inspired by Roman coins showing emperors standing on river and sea gods. What is your opinion of this suggestion?