Do you belive Trump will willingly give up power if you elect someone else?
That seems wierd to me as a european. He has no reason to leave power at this point, and the USA don't have a mecanism for removing a president who choses to stay.
Elections are decentralized. He can try to say "I'm still president" but it'll only work if the military listens to him, and his approval rating among soldiers is not high enough to pull that trick.
But the courts already decleared that nothing he does while in office can get him arrested.
He's immune.
He could literally have Congress killed and it would be legal.
The American system has spent 200 years centralizing power into just one position.
If he would ignore the election, who is responsible for removing him? So far you seem to have relied exclusively on the idea that power will transfer peacefully by the president stepping down.
The Senate even confirmed last time that leading an attack on Congress was not a abuse of power.
He can be impeached and removed by Congress, but the bar is ridiculously high, and Republicans have no courage to stand up to him.
Alternatively, a judge could hypothetically have him arrested for an offense such as contempt of court, but the Supreme Court is on his side and this also seems very unlikely.
Realistically, we are waiting for him to mess things up extremely badly so public opinion turns against him and influences Congress, but I'm not counting on it with our propagandistic media.
In my country parliament only need a vote of no confidence to remove the leader, so the bar for removing a leader is quite low.
We only vote for the parliament members, and they have to form the executive branch based on the current balance of power there.
This also removed the problem of "spoiler candidates", as the third party candidates still weilds proportional power. And they naturally hinder gridlocks.
To be honest, having the president/prime minister be the one who directly leads the largest party in parliament isn't great for separation of powers and that's what usually happens en European parliaments. All systems have their flaws. (I'm European btw)
He doesn't have to agree to step down, according to the Constitution he ceases being president on inauguration day unless he's been certified by the electoral college. Which again comes down to having military support to suspend the Constitution, which he probably won't have after four years of turning the economy into a smoldering crater and other scandals.
I hope the people in power who have everything to gain by not sharing your interpretation of the transfer of power shares your interpretation of the transfer of power.
Because he didn't have enough loyalists on his side at the time. Now he does.
You've all been conditioned to believe that "because democracy," the system and all the corruption in it will always just work itself out. That evil people can be in power and it's fine because "checks and balances," and "no one will let that happen."
Because he didn't have enough loyalists on his side at the time. Now he does.
Where? On the Supreme Court, that's virtually unchanged? In the military, that's virtually unchanged? Hesgeth is definitely more willing to order troops to shoot protesters than Miller was, but I don't think troops are more likely to carry out that order.
What he does have is a shitload more money, and right-aligned news and social media outlets are more brazen about allowing him to lie. But I'm not sure Trump has the ability to marshal those resources effectively. He's even more delusional than he was in 2021 when his first attempt failed.
You've all been conditioned to believe that "because democracy," the system and all the corruption in it will always just work itself out. That evil people can be in power and it's fine because "checks and balances," and "no one will let that happen."
I haven't said any of those things. I'm going off of cold, hard facts here. Trump isn't more popular, his loyalists aren't smarter than they were before, and people are even more pissed off that the economy is crashing without COVID to blame it on.
You are deluded.
I have found that democracy is more likely to win in the end when people don't immediately surrender like you are right now. A large portion of power of fascists is their ability to act like their victory is inevitable, which you're falling for hard.
We saw what happened on Jan 6 when he didn’t win. It’ll be that again, but potentially in greater numbers (including plenty of foreign mercs in there that MAGA will be paying. I hope every true American (non-MAGA to be specifically clear) is ready to stand up to the maga fucks when they try to force something
They are not, they don't even vote. Literally a cultist is telling them he will take over if given the chance and less then half the people even vote. Americans are soft, weak, and are being rug pulled while they eat burgers made of spoiled meat and bread made from petrol.
He will leave or he’ll be made to. If our government won’t take care of it, it’ll be up to the citizens. Protests. Riots. Idc what it takes, we are not gonna have a god damn monarch/dictator in this country. Especially not that asshole.
Yeah, I don't report to you on what I do. I find it hilarious how upset you are because you don't think I do enough to your liking, even though you can't possibly know what I do.
He ceases to be president on January 20, 2029. Period. He's not eligible to run again (nor is he eligible to be voted for by the electoral college) so it isn't dependent on who does win the election in 2028, we already know that it isn't going to be him.
The mechanism to remove him if he refuses to go is the same as removing any other person trespassing on the grounds of the White House: the secret service will physically remove any person who is not permitted to be there. With as much force as is necessary to accomplish the goal.
BTW, this includes those agents who will be assigned to protect him as a former president...their primary job will be to keep him alive, and they will bodily remove him from a dangerous location in order to accomplish that (and the White House is a dangerous location if you aren't supposed to be there).
I live in Korea and I’m a US citizen. Korea had many many many years of awful horrible corrupt presidents. Protestors were shot or tortured and so many presidents went to jail or were assassinated or killed themselves.
They formed a direct democracy. All votes go toward the candidate. No electoral college. Everyone is automatically registered to vote. Election day is a national holiday. Everyone has the day off or they are required to be able to leave work to vote. Voting lines are incredibly short. It takes minutes to get there, show ID, vote, leave. Protests are now peaceful and extremely protected. Police guard protesters in the streets and there is no violence. People here are extremely politically engaged and often very well educated and well informed. Protests work. The system of checks and balances is pretty decent. They take illegal actions very seriously and prosecute immediately.
Korean people are pessimistic but honestly should be proud of their democracy. It’s come a long way since the 80s (it was nonexistent before that) and the president before Yoon was Moon Jae In and he had basically no “scandals” and enjoyed a full term. Terms are 5 years but once only. No second terms.
It’s really amazing. I have been in Korea for two impeachments now.
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u/SpegalDev 1d ago
Yeah, so, how do we do that here in America?