r/SipsTea 1d ago

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago edited 1d ago

If they had to get 2 salaries they simply wouldn't get hired.

Aka, the fuck people with disability method of thinking.

1 persons worth of work

But they're not. They're 2 people. Who are... Conjoined. That's what it means.

It sucks but thats the way it goes.

... That's just how you think about it.

You're also just discovering the hardship people with disability face and how often they accept unfair conditions because of the lack of opportunity they face, the same happens for many vulnerable people. Have you ever wondered why illegal Mexicans do insanely hard labour for unfair pay?

Because they have no other choice in an exploitative system.

You're so close to experience an emancipation moment. I think that is fascinating.

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u/Germisstuck 1d ago

But they only do the work that is equal to one person. Because they are conjoined they aren't the equivalent of 2 teachers, but rather one. Jeez, your ability to read is lower than my chance of getting a girlfriend

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

But they're not one person.

They're two people. And they're doing the work, of two people, because, they're both there doing the work.

Imagine you and your work mate, you have two salaries.

If I put a jumper on you, so you can't move away from each other. And I glue it on real good so you're stuck like that.

Is it ok to half your pay? Or maybe, fire you! That's be fine, right? That's so good, that's so good until you realise that's real. And that is bad for you. And now you can't pay your bills and your lifestyle is fucked and it's not your fault you didn't ask for the jumper it's just how it is....

Welcome to the bane of the disability, where the loser of the predatory assholery, is now YOU.

Then you'd care.

So I suggest, we employ empathy. And we decide that actually, they are two people. And they're both working. Which is backed up, by being true.

my chance of getting a girlfriend

Exploitation is unattractive.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago

They aren’t doing two jobs. I don’t understand why you can’t see this. They get to split a TON of the work of teaching up. One can grade while the other plans. One can email parents while the other inputs data. They are NOT doing two jobs. They’re two people who can divide up the work between them. That absolutely not doing the work of two teachers who each has their own class.

They can efficiently finish the same amount of work in much less time than the other teachers they work with because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the full job. Stop saying they’re doing the work of two people, because they literally are not. If they were they would have twice the students, twice the grading etc.

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u/p-nji 1d ago edited 1d ago

This person thinks that if you're working, then you're performing a job and should get paid. Like, if you spend all day busting your ass running headfirst into a brick wall, then clearly you're doing work and should be offered good pay, insurance, and a 401k. By whom? Fairies, presumably.

Edit to respond to blocked comment: Yes, that's what I said. You think pay should be based on how long or how hard someone works rather than how much anyone else wants to pay for that work.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago edited 1d ago

They also seem to think that money comes from the sky and that the school can just decide to pay double for one classroom than all the others. The class only has a budget for one teacher because it only needs one. There are few jobs that can just choose to pay an extra $60-100k than they budgeted for.

If they were surgeons, do they think people will pay double for all their surgeries? That isn’t doing two jobs either.

If they decided to be house cleaners, would I need to pay twice as much for the job? Of course not. I’m paying x dollars for the house to get cleaned no matter how many people show up. They would just have the benefit of getting the job done quicker, much like teaching.

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

No, I think that if you do the hours, you should get paid.

They're both working, both doing the hours, so should both get paid.

The idea that our society can't manage that for the very small amount of conjoined twins is simply wrong.

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

One can grade while the other plans.

That's literally two people working.

Two people working = two fair pays.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago

Two people each doing half the job.

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

You can't do half a job. You're either on the clock or you're not.

If you're doing half a job your boss needs to ask you to work harder.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago edited 1d ago

Teaching is a contract job, not an hourly one. There are endless examples of jobs that you’re paid to do a specific task, not just for showing up and breathing. With teaching, there’s a certain amount of work that needs to be done. You aren’t paid for how many hours it takes, you’re paid to get it done. They share that work and are able to finish it MUCH quicker than their coworkers because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the same amount of work as the teachers in the classrooms next to them. They simply aren’t doing the job of two teachers.

The school has x number of contracts for y classes. They’re sharing a contract. The class they’re teaching only requires one teacher. The alternative would have been to only hire one of them and consider the other a class volunteer.

They could have chosen to get an hourly job where they both could have been paid that way. But they didn’t.

And you CAN do half a job, because this is an example of them doing exactly that. They aren’t grading two classes worth of work. They aren’t contacting two classes worth of parents. They aren’t planning for two classes, etc. That’s all a huge part of the job.

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

I don't care what sort of job it is. When they give one contract to two people, your new idea will work.

They don't. It doesn't.

They could have chosen t

I do not agree, that conjoined twins should be unable to work in teaching. To me that seems a pretty evil take. I think you should not say that.

They simply aren’t doing the job of two teachers.

You can learn on wordplay all day, it doesn't check out.

Two people, who are conjoined, working as teachers.

That's two teachers.

aren’t each doing the same amount of work as the teachers

Can I half your pay?

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago

You could halve my pay if I did half the work. My district allows contract sharing, which is two teachers sharing a contract. They each get half the salary. It’s quite popular.

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u/Mike_Kermin 1d ago

Ok.

But in that case, you'd be doing, half the hours? Right? You're sharing the contract. Person A works Monday, person B works Tuesday. Right?

What YOU'RE suggesting, is you BOTH go to work, because they do, and you only get half the contract pay wise.

I need you to accept, that conjoined, means you can't split a contract like you would.

And because you know that, and you're still saying it, it's really not ok. That's mask off ableism.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman 1d ago

Ok fine. Then their class size should be double that of the other teachers at the school. They’re doing the job of two teachers according to you, so then they do the job of two teachers. Easy peasy. They can both teach two different classes simultaneously since that’s what two teachers generally do.

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