they definently shouldn't of paid for two college tuitions but technically they only perform the job of one teacher. Also, they only have to feed, clothes, and house one person. I'm really not trying to be an asshole and am just playing devil's advocate. Consistency should be key here though. Two tuitions... two salaries.
If they had to get 2 salaries they simply wouldn't get hired. They can only really do 1 persons worth of work at a time. It sucks but thats the way it goes.
If they had to get 2 salaries they simply wouldn't get hired.
Aka, the fuck people with disability method of thinking.
1 persons worth of work
But they're not. They're 2 people. Who are... Conjoined. That's what it means.
It sucks but thats the way it goes.
... That's just how you think about it.
You're also just discovering the hardship people with disability face and how often they accept unfair conditions because of the lack of opportunity they face, the same happens for many vulnerable people. Have you ever wondered why illegal Mexicans do insanely hard labour for unfair pay?
Because they have no other choice in an exploitative system.
You're so close to experience an emancipation moment. I think that is fascinating.
Yeah, no shit, they're 2 people, but they're teachers in the US
If they had to be paid 2 salaries, no district in the country would hire them. They can only teach 1 class. With all the will and accommodations in the world, they could only teach 1 class still.
They can still only really do 1 persons worth of work. They jointly control 1 body. Even if they did an office job, they could still only write 1 report at a time. Im sure there are some jobs that they could do 2 peoples.
I will never be able to work some jobs because I'm disabled, sad to say, but it's true. It would nice if they did get 2 salaries but in reality its unlikely unless they find a job that could do it.
But that's wrong. They're doing two people's work. They're both working.
That's two people. Two jobs. Two pays.
Unless one is having a nap during work hours. Or playing gameboy.
Does the other person, have free time? No.
They're both working.
I will never be able to work some jobs because I'm disabled
And that goes for them, however,
If you're suggesting, that due to your ableness, you should be allowed to be paid half as much as someone else.
I don't agree. That's exploitative.
What you're arguing for, that if someone who is disabled is only half as capable, they should only get half the pay, is horrifying in any reasonable society.
What you're arguing for, that if someone who is disabled is only half as capable, they should only get half the pay,
I mean, if they're only half as capable (I'm not making that argument, you are) they probably shouldn't even be hired. The students deserve a quality education. I think they're 100% capable, but that doesn't mean they should get 200% pay for doing 100% of the job. The fact of the matter is they are doing the job of one person, so they get the pay of 1 person. They knew this going in. It wasn't a surprise to them after graduation to learn that they wouldn't be paid for two people to teach one class. There are jobs that they could have been hired that would earn them pay for 2 people, but they chose one that is only suited for the pay of one person.
I mean, if they're only half as capable (I'm not making that argument, you are)
No, I'm not.
I'm saying they're fully capable. They're fully doing two jobs. They're two people, both working.
You're the one, saying they're doing one job. Two people, sharing one job, so they get paid half each.
Would you apply that logic to anyone else? I hope not. The hours aren't half and half are they?
They knew this going in
Ah, exploitation is ok if you opt in! I'll let the indentured servants in the middle east know!
It wasn't a surprise to them
Yeah I imagine there is a lot of shit they aren't surprised by. I wouldn't extend that to mean it's good.
There are jobs that they could have been hired that would earn them pay for 2 people, but they chose one that is only suited for the pay of one person.
... This is so dystopian. What other person do you apply that logic to?
Oh you shouldn't be a teacher, you're more suited to a supermarket role, so it's ok to pay half?
“How we should” and “how we do” are 2 different conversations.
Them getting a single salary is fair to all the other teachers who are a single teacher doing the job of a single teacher. Government disability should cover the rest essentially as unemployment, but it likely does not.
Their work offered them a job and they accepted. They weren't forced to accept the job offer. How is that exploitation? Surely you're not saying they can't quit?
You're saying the school, and school district, and tax payers should be forced to pay them twice the salary, when the position they applied for is one teaching position. There isn't a reasonable accommodation for them to teach two different classes, if they want to teach in person. Why should the school be forced to offer 2 positions, when they only offer one per class? How is that fair? If they want 2 salaries shouldn't they find a job where that can be reasonably accommodated. There probably are positions even in teaching where that is possible. Are you saying people should be unreasonably accommodated?
A lot of people, and I mean a lot, accept things, which are also exploitative.
If they want to teach, which I assume is the case, they may not be able to, without accepting this exploitation.
Right?
You're saying the school, and school district, and tax payers should be forced to pay them twice the salary
No. No no no.
They should pay them a normal salary.
Both of them. It's TWO people.
How is that fair?
I really don't think, you're idea of fair is healthy. Your version of fair is "disabled? Suck shit then".
I think fair, demands fair pay. And I think fair also demands that when someone has a disability, where possible, they be able to have the same opportunities as others.
Them being conjoined, should not reasonably be a barrier to teaching, that you ask it to be.
They should not have to choose, half pay, to do that. That's a failure of fairness.
I looked it up and they do get two salaries sort of. They get an entire salary and it is split between them but they only work part-time. Whether they work exactly 20 hours or whatever is unknown. Whether or not this has changed over the last 13 years is also not known.
Due to my ableness, sadly, I will never get hired for some jobs. I don't think of it as an injustice its just the reality of my physical situation. There are plenty of jobs that I can basically do the same as anyone else but many that I could not and there are no reasonable accomodations to help. I would never pass an occupational health assessment to work in a hospital for instance, I would like to but I'd be useless in the job.
The last time this was posted it was mentioend that they had opted to only get 1 salary.
Ok, but the jobs you can do, I will demand fair pay when you do them.
And they can surely teach.
they had opted to only get 1 salary.
From what I read it's something they accepted but wanted to negotiate later.
Which is how a lot of exploitation works. Just because someone agrees to less doesn't mean it's fair. That's not an issue limited to disability either.
FFS you're on here attacking people like they're the school superintendent who wrote those girls' employment contract. They're pointing out the reality of government bureaucracy, not cheerleading for disabled folk to get the shaft.
But they only do the work that is equal to one person. Because they are conjoined they aren't the equivalent of 2 teachers, but rather one. Jeez, your ability to read is lower than my chance of getting a girlfriend
Lots of jobs are mostly mental / verbal. They could have two different conversations or meetings at the same time if they wore headphones. They can work on two separate documents at the same time as well. I'd have to think most jobs they'd at least be slightly more productive than an average person.
They're two people. And they're doing the work, of two people, because, they're both there doing the work.
Imagine you and your work mate, you have two salaries.
If I put a jumper on you, so you can't move away from each other.
And I glue it on real good so you're stuck like that.
Is it ok to half your pay? Or maybe, fire you! That's be fine, right? That's so good, that's so good until you realise that's real. And that is bad for you. And now you can't pay your bills and your lifestyle is fucked and it's not your fault you didn't ask for the jumper it's just how it is....
Welcome to the bane of the disability, where the loser of the predatory assholery, is now YOU.
Then you'd care.
So I suggest, we employ empathy. And we decide that actually, they are two people. And they're both working. Which is backed up, by being true.
Nobody is denying that they are 2 people. But they are only one teacher. It's not the same as having, say a teacher's aid, who is a seperate human being who can help other students/watch them.
Let's look at this logically. Since that seems to be a struggle for you, I'll make it simple. Schools (especially public schools) don't have a lot of money. Having teachers cost money. The twins can teach. But they can only teach one class at a time. Who else can teach one class at a time? A single teacher. That's why they get paid a single salary.
Why isn't this getting through your head? They teach one class, they are effectively one teacher. Because they aren't as efficient as two TEACHERS, TEACHING SEPERATE CLASSES, they don't get the double salary.
I think our society is capable of paying conjoined twins fairly.
But if we pay them double for one job, something of someone else has to be cut to compensate for that pay
I don't care how many classes it is. They're both at work.
On average, a part time teacher teaches less classes than a full time teacher. Do you propose that they make the same amount as a full time teacher since they both work?
They can only be in one classroom, teaching one class at a time. They can't be in 2 places at once like 2 separate people could be. They are mentally and physically 2 people, but effectively 1 person in the work place.
They should get disability benefits for things that they need, like having custom made clothes for example, but what you're asking for is just straight up charity and the real world doesn't work like that.
The only positive of these threads, is it's giving me the idea of a dystopian capitalist future when people are surgically joined as a requirement to land a job, so they can pay them less. Stephen King style.
what you're asking for is just straight up charity
They aren’t doing two jobs. I don’t understand why you can’t see this. They get to split a TON of the work of teaching up. One can grade while the other plans. One can email parents while the other inputs data. They are NOT doing two jobs. They’re two people who can divide up the work between them. That absolutely not doing the work of two teachers who each has their own class.
They can efficiently finish the same amount of work in much less time than the other teachers they work with because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the full job. Stop saying they’re doing the work of two people, because they literally are not. If they were they would have twice the students, twice the grading etc.
This person thinks that if you're working, then you're performing a job and should get paid. Like, if you spend all day busting your ass running headfirst into a brick wall, then clearly you're doing work and should be offered good pay, insurance, and a 401k. By whom? Fairies, presumably.
Edit to respond to blocked comment: Yes, that's what I said. You think pay should be based on how long or how hard someone works rather than how much anyone else wants to pay for that work.
They also seem to think that money comes from the sky and that the school can just decide to pay double for one classroom than all the others. The class only has a budget for one teacher because it only needs one. There are few jobs that can just choose to pay an extra $60-100k than they budgeted for.
If they were surgeons, do they think people will pay double for all their surgeries? That isn’t doing two jobs either.
If they decided to be house cleaners, would I need to pay twice as much for the job? Of course not. I’m paying x dollars for the house to get cleaned no matter how many people show up. They would just have the benefit of getting the job done quicker, much like teaching.
Teaching is a contract job, not an hourly one. There are endless examples of jobs that you’re paid to do a specific task, not just for showing up and breathing. With teaching, there’s a certain amount of work that needs to be done. You aren’t paid for how many hours it takes, you’re paid to get it done. They share that work and are able to finish it MUCH quicker than their coworkers because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the same amount of work as the teachers in the classrooms next to them. They simply aren’t doing the job of two teachers.
The school has x number of contracts for y classes. They’re sharing a contract. The class they’re teaching only requires one teacher. The alternative would have been to only hire one of them and consider the other a class volunteer.
They could have chosen to get an hourly job where they both could have been paid that way. But they didn’t.
And you CAN do half a job, because this is an example of them doing exactly that. They aren’t grading two classes worth of work. They aren’t contacting two classes worth of parents. They aren’t planning for two classes, etc. That’s all a huge part of the job.
You could halve my pay if I did half the work. My district allows contract sharing, which is two teachers sharing a contract. They each get half the salary. It’s quite popular.
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u/Any_Constant_6550 1d ago
they definently shouldn't of paid for two college tuitions but technically they only perform the job of one teacher. Also, they only have to feed, clothes, and house one person. I'm really not trying to be an asshole and am just playing devil's advocate. Consistency should be key here though. Two tuitions... two salaries.