they definently shouldn't of paid for two college tuitions but technically they only perform the job of one teacher. Also, they only have to feed, clothes, and house one person. I'm really not trying to be an asshole and am just playing devil's advocate. Consistency should be key here though. Two tuitions... two salaries.
If they had to get 2 salaries they simply wouldn't get hired. They can only really do 1 persons worth of work at a time. It sucks but thats the way it goes.
If they had to get 2 salaries they simply wouldn't get hired.
Aka, the fuck people with disability method of thinking.
1 persons worth of work
But they're not. They're 2 people. Who are... Conjoined. That's what it means.
It sucks but thats the way it goes.
... That's just how you think about it.
You're also just discovering the hardship people with disability face and how often they accept unfair conditions because of the lack of opportunity they face, the same happens for many vulnerable people. Have you ever wondered why illegal Mexicans do insanely hard labour for unfair pay?
Because they have no other choice in an exploitative system.
You're so close to experience an emancipation moment. I think that is fascinating.
But they only do the work that is equal to one person. Because they are conjoined they aren't the equivalent of 2 teachers, but rather one. Jeez, your ability to read is lower than my chance of getting a girlfriend
Lots of jobs are mostly mental / verbal. They could have two different conversations or meetings at the same time if they wore headphones. They can work on two separate documents at the same time as well. I'd have to think most jobs they'd at least be slightly more productive than an average person.
They're two people. And they're doing the work, of two people, because, they're both there doing the work.
Imagine you and your work mate, you have two salaries.
If I put a jumper on you, so you can't move away from each other.
And I glue it on real good so you're stuck like that.
Is it ok to half your pay? Or maybe, fire you! That's be fine, right? That's so good, that's so good until you realise that's real. And that is bad for you. And now you can't pay your bills and your lifestyle is fucked and it's not your fault you didn't ask for the jumper it's just how it is....
Welcome to the bane of the disability, where the loser of the predatory assholery, is now YOU.
Then you'd care.
So I suggest, we employ empathy. And we decide that actually, they are two people. And they're both working. Which is backed up, by being true.
Nobody is denying that they are 2 people. But they are only one teacher. It's not the same as having, say a teacher's aid, who is a seperate human being who can help other students/watch them.
Let's look at this logically. Since that seems to be a struggle for you, I'll make it simple. Schools (especially public schools) don't have a lot of money. Having teachers cost money. The twins can teach. But they can only teach one class at a time. Who else can teach one class at a time? A single teacher. That's why they get paid a single salary.
Why isn't this getting through your head? They teach one class, they are effectively one teacher. Because they aren't as efficient as two TEACHERS, TEACHING SEPERATE CLASSES, they don't get the double salary.
I think our society is capable of paying conjoined twins fairly.
But if we pay them double for one job, something of someone else has to be cut to compensate for that pay
I don't care how many classes it is. They're both at work.
On average, a part time teacher teaches less classes than a full time teacher. Do you propose that they make the same amount as a full time teacher since they both work?
They can only be in one classroom, teaching one class at a time. They can't be in 2 places at once like 2 separate people could be. They are mentally and physically 2 people, but effectively 1 person in the work place.
They should get disability benefits for things that they need, like having custom made clothes for example, but what you're asking for is just straight up charity and the real world doesn't work like that.
The only positive of these threads, is it's giving me the idea of a dystopian capitalist future when people are surgically joined as a requirement to land a job, so they can pay them less. Stephen King style.
what you're asking for is just straight up charity
They aren’t doing two jobs. I don’t understand why you can’t see this. They get to split a TON of the work of teaching up. One can grade while the other plans. One can email parents while the other inputs data. They are NOT doing two jobs. They’re two people who can divide up the work between them. That absolutely not doing the work of two teachers who each has their own class.
They can efficiently finish the same amount of work in much less time than the other teachers they work with because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the full job. Stop saying they’re doing the work of two people, because they literally are not. If they were they would have twice the students, twice the grading etc.
This person thinks that if you're working, then you're performing a job and should get paid. Like, if you spend all day busting your ass running headfirst into a brick wall, then clearly you're doing work and should be offered good pay, insurance, and a 401k. By whom? Fairies, presumably.
Edit to respond to blocked comment: Yes, that's what I said. You think pay should be based on how long or how hard someone works rather than how much anyone else wants to pay for that work.
They also seem to think that money comes from the sky and that the school can just decide to pay double for one classroom than all the others. The class only has a budget for one teacher because it only needs one. There are few jobs that can just choose to pay an extra $60-100k than they budgeted for.
If they were surgeons, do they think people will pay double for all their surgeries? That isn’t doing two jobs either.
If they decided to be house cleaners, would I need to pay twice as much for the job? Of course not. I’m paying x dollars for the house to get cleaned no matter how many people show up. They would just have the benefit of getting the job done quicker, much like teaching.
Teaching is a contract job, not an hourly one. There are endless examples of jobs that you’re paid to do a specific task, not just for showing up and breathing. With teaching, there’s a certain amount of work that needs to be done. You aren’t paid for how many hours it takes, you’re paid to get it done. They share that work and are able to finish it MUCH quicker than their coworkers because there are two of them. They aren’t each doing the same amount of work as the teachers in the classrooms next to them. They simply aren’t doing the job of two teachers.
The school has x number of contracts for y classes. They’re sharing a contract. The class they’re teaching only requires one teacher. The alternative would have been to only hire one of them and consider the other a class volunteer.
They could have chosen to get an hourly job where they both could have been paid that way. But they didn’t.
And you CAN do half a job, because this is an example of them doing exactly that. They aren’t grading two classes worth of work. They aren’t contacting two classes worth of parents. They aren’t planning for two classes, etc. That’s all a huge part of the job.
You could halve my pay if I did half the work. My district allows contract sharing, which is two teachers sharing a contract. They each get half the salary. It’s quite popular.
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u/Any_Constant_6550 1d ago
they definently shouldn't of paid for two college tuitions but technically they only perform the job of one teacher. Also, they only have to feed, clothes, and house one person. I'm really not trying to be an asshole and am just playing devil's advocate. Consistency should be key here though. Two tuitions... two salaries.