Yes, but also I'm still mad at Biden for not allowing a regular primary to happen, having the worst debate performance of all time, and then only giving his replacement a few months to try and beat Trump. I kinda blame him for a lot of the mess we're in.
His most important job was to prevent a second Trump presidency, and he was asleep at the wheel for 4 years.
Grow up dude. We had one choice, an orange racist rapist criminal or the VP in a relatively successful administration who wasn’t a racist rapist. It wasn’t that difficult.
lolwut. I mean, obviously. It was a simple and obvious pick, so then why did this stupid ass country pick the "orange racist rapist criminal"? One of the big reasons is because Biden fucked up. It should have been an easy win.
The problem is the people not the candidate. Trump was virtually unbeatable. It actually say more about our country than the two dozen candidates he has defeated.
I agree that the election results can 100% be blamed on voters alone, I think Biden would have put up similar numbers to his 2020 victory and with Trump down around 7% from his 2020 numbers we would have put up a W.
The problem was that it was hard to unite so many people behind a new candidate so quickly. Biden not dropping out would have resulted in much, much stronger numbers and Trump put up very weak numbers.
Another absolutely fucking insane blueanon take from cultists doing the most to defend the DNC's massive fuck up.
For YEARS leading up to 2024 one of the most prevalent political jokes was about how the 2024 election was looking like it was going to be between "two old fucks that no one wants". I remember hearing those jokes in 2022 and they were parroted a lot in 2023. They were all over Reddit even.
I live in a red area and there was like 2 Trump flags in my area in 2024 vs dozens in 2020. In my red county there were more Harris signs than Trump. I can only speak for the Republicans I know personally, but every one of them voted AGAINST Harris rather than FOR Trump (just like most Harris votes were AGAINST Trump rather than FOR Harris).
Going against Trump in 2024 should have been a slam dunk. And it WOULD HAVE been a slam dunk if dems picked literally anyone other than geriatric Biden or his useless VP.
He had the best electoral performance of anyone except Biden and Obama 2008. Obama 2008 was unbeatable so was Trump 2024. Whether you believe it or not these are the numbers not feelings.
He is the second most ever voted candidate in a presidential election. He has tremendous political power. Look at all the shit he is doing now and is currently more popular than he was at any time in his first term. His cult is dedicated and deep. He would probably win an election if called today.
. There is no excuse for voting for him unless you were aligned with his message of hate. This wasn’t an election between two candidates who had similar views and policies, it was one where the difference could not have been greater. Voting for the orange racist rapist was a conscious decision to want what he wanted for America, the destruction of everything that stood in the way of white supremacy.
So then how about don't have his opponent be a dude who's unfortunately very unpopular, polling terribly, and even older than him? That's the entire fucking point I'm making. If Trump is such an unbelievably powerful and unbeatable opponent, than Biden shouldn't have ran against him in 2024.
To be fair. Biden had already beaten Trump and was pretty successful in his first term. There was also no clear replacement for when Biden did drop out. Even now, there is no clear leader for the Democratic Party.
There was no clear replacement because there was never the chance to run a primary.
Biden was polling very badly in 2023 and 2024. He was a trillion years old. He was facing cognitive decline, hidden by his aides. He shouldn't have run. It handicapped us.
Doesn't help having the Dems lined with milksop cowards like Schumer quietly playing both sides to try and come out on top with money and power under a uhhh checks notes blatantly corrupt, fascist regime.
Trump was right about one thing. The corruption in the white house goes deep. Unfortunately, the American people took that messaging as "oh yeah, Trump is not the corrupt one then!" despite the obvious.
The background conditions behind Trump winning 2024 are deep and delicate, and at no point did the entire Democratic party work hard enough to stand for anything meaningful together. Biden is not inherently or individually at fault but nothing about how the DNC ran the campaign was either intelligent nor as urgent as it needed to be. I'd argue they had campaign managers who were actively bought out by the Republicans.
Everyone blaming Biden is excusing those who voted for the orange racist rapist. If Biden had run I would have had no problem voting for him. I would not have voted for Trump making up the excuse that Biden was too old because his age was irrelevant compared to the absolute evil incompetent idiot that I knew we would get. So yes, blaming Biden is a fucking excuse!!
Less people voted for the dems in 2024 than they did in 2020.
There is not much more to winning an election in the USA than giving people a strong reason to vote - almost 90 million eligible people decided not to vote in 2024, and Trump won 2024 with less votes than Biden had in 2020.
Biden absolutely could have dropped out early as promised, gone to primary, and I believe you would have seen a much larger voter turnout.
So what? People always sit at home and decide not to participate.There was a choice and the people made theirs, more people than ever before, except for Biden in 2020, wanted this outcome. This wasn’t a historically high turnout election.
The so what is that rather than being defeatist and blaming those who didn't vote for Harris (there will ALWAYS be republican voters, no matter what), the Democrat party deserves blame for fumbling the election with a late withdrawal and missing their chance to put up a candidate that got people excited to vote.
That is the only action that will win next time, and it's as simple as running a primary without propping up some perceived favorite candidate.
Saying that we blame them is maybe wrong as we should respect the democratic process and the choice people make, even though we don’t agree. Those who didn’t vote for Harris are not to blame, they are happy with the current administration, just as those who voted for it. 66% of the people decided that the current version of America is the best option. Surprising but this is the choice we made.
Do you not understand the power dynamic? The focus of any political situation should be on the people who have the most power. The people with the most power in the Democratic party made poor decisions and did not read the electorate as well as the Republicans.
The voters have the power, no one else. They decide who to vote for and then n 2024 they voted for the candidate they wanted to win with the highest support of any recent candidate except for Biden and Obama 2008.
Irrelevant excuses. We had a choice. We chose wrong. I don’t know if you realize it but the dude is still quite popular despite everything that has happened in the last two months. He is more popular now than at anytime during his first term. He would win the republican primary again and have a decent shot at winning the general election. Feel free to blame everyone else but the electorate if it helps make sense of the situation but we are not the country we thought we were.
Trump's turn out, aka the American voter, is a constant that will neither go up, nor down. It will follow population growth.
What the Dems can control is who they run against him. And that person will determine Democratic turnout.
There are no more flipflop voters. It's all about who excites their base to turn out more than the other guy. Harris was horrible at that compared to another candidate. Yes Harris filled stadiums, but I'd argue a better candidate then her would also achieve filling out stadiums, while also winning the election.
This is different. There are many elections that we could have argued that the outcome would have been irrelevant and it came down to whether you vibed with the candidate or not. Personally I think the Republican Party is a kkk adjacent organization so I would never vote for them, but I did respect McCain and to a certain degree Romney, they likely would have kept the worst of the republicans away from power. However, this last election there was a stark choice as to what the electorate wanted and they made their choice with the highest level of support of any candidate except for Biden 2020 and Obama 2008.
In America we get too wrapped up in personalities that don’t make much difference and don’t think about the reality of governance. There wasn’t any democratic candidate that would have governed any differently from Biden or Kamala that could have won the primary had it happened. The policies of the Biden/Kamala administration were largely successful even if we take into consideration their mistakes, the biggest of which was immigration. They would likely have been limited by a Republican senate impeding any truly progressive legislation. This is the American reality, we lack substance, focusing on the superficial, looking for the futility of glitz and glamour. Our nation is broken and most of us do not yet see it.
What are you talking about. He got 31.8% of the electorate. Only Biden 34.2% and Obama 2008 32.6% did better. I know the guy is an idiot but we can’t delude ourselves into thinking that he isn’t historically popular with the electorate. The turnout was also historically high for modern elections, only lower than 2020. Numbers don’t care about our feelings.
He made the right call running again, yeah. Had he not dropped out his numbers would have been pretty similar to 2020 and with Trump being down about 7% from his 2020 performance we were likely looking at another W. There also wasn't a very good front runner from the pack of possible primary options coming from the left.
The things the media said about Biden are the same things they said about him in 2020. He probably would have put up another easy dub.
Was a little soft spoken for the first oh say 5 minutes or so, I'll give you that Did you know that Trump lied over 50 times in that debate?
There's a reason why it took about 3 weeks of the media breaking it's hard 48 rule (for the first time in history no less) to push the bullshit "he's senile" narrative before his polling numbers even took a hit.
Y'all probably shouldn't have just blindly trusted the legacy media. I don't think they're on our side.
Did you know that Trump is 100% irrelevant to the topic at hand? I wasn't asking for a comparison and never mentioned Trump. I was talking about Biden's inability to look fully alive and be fully coherent.
Lol "Your point weakens my argument so it's irrelevant says me!" Okie dokie.
"Biden's inability to look fully alive" he looked and looks just fine. He's not dying, he's riding bikes and hanging out at the beach. There was no issue with his leadership or how he did the job as president.
Admit it, the media kinda fed you a line about Biden and you ate it up. It's okay to eat crow.
Haha, ridiculous take honestly. Obama would have wiped the floor with Trump and we all know it. He appealed to the left and center, which is what the modern DNC has completely failed at.
Obama had unmatched charisma. Trump does as well, though his focus is different. This is exactly the problem, we vote on personalities rather than competence and execution.
Yes, Obama, literally one of the best speakers of in recent memory, who became the first African-American president almost 20 years ago. Pretending like it was all his political positioning that let him become president is a crazy take.
It would have been a pretty easy win if he had stayed in the race tbh. The corporate wing of the democrats, particularly Schumer and Pelosi thrust that upon the party. Progressive caucus was all in on Biden.
He was alleged "unpopular" in 2020 when he beat Trump and the media said all of these same things about Biden, there was concern about polling but then he won in a landslide.
He would have done about the same in the election.
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u/Nastrod 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yes, but also I'm still mad at Biden for not allowing a regular primary to happen, having the worst debate performance of all time, and then only giving his replacement a few months to try and beat Trump. I kinda blame him for a lot of the mess we're in.
His most important job was to prevent a second Trump presidency, and he was asleep at the wheel for 4 years.