Yeah but you weren't supposed to take him seriously! Or you were supposed to take him seriously but not literally, or something.
(Note that if you express concern about the stuff he talks about doing now, like invading Greenland or Panama or having a third term or cancelling elections, people will still dismiss you as hysterical and say you shouldn't take it seriously.)
I thought about it once and I thought about it once more, but I don't understand what double-think is supposed to be.(This is coming from a non-native speaker)
It's believing two things at the same time that can't both be true. Like Covid is a hoax and doesn't exist but also it was created in a Chinese lab. They will argue both ways to suit their needs and they don't even realize that they're doing it a lot of the time.
"Double-Think" is a term that originates from George Orwell's novel 1984. It means basically holding and believing 2 contradictory opinions at the same time. The Party - the book's totalitarian government - uses it to control the populace.
Double-think is a mostly self indoctrination tool where someone believes two completely contradictory facts at the same time normally with extra categories that also don't make any sense.
This makes it so that you can never debate or argue the real subject.
An example would be the color red is yellow; the color red is blue.
Now you know that is not true, but if you went to talk to them about it the conversation would go:
Red is not yellow.
I know, because red is blue.
No red is not blue.
I know, because red is yellow.
No red is the red.
Correct, but we are not talking about red, we are talking about the color red. The color red is yellow, and the color red is blue.
He’s just an avatar for them to project whatever their interpretation of the perfect president is. It’s literally never mattered what he actually said to them. We are circling the drain and they’re still telling themselves they’re winning.
Honestly, replace "DJT" with "the Bible," and it describes the religious mindset of most of the hypocritical Protestant and/or Evangelical assholes that voted for him.
I was surprised just how many people voted for him with the full confidence that "politicians never do what they say during the campaign." A sad state on so many levels.
"politicians never do what they say during the campaign," which means there's no difference between voting for someone promising to do bad things and someone promising good things! /s
My FIL, genuinely believed this. He kept going on and on about how Trump never does what he says, and how really, he was going to govern as a moderate republican.
Anyone who says he'll do what he says he'll do is a very dumb partisan leftist! You have to use your secret Trump decoder ring to understand what he's really saying.
By the way, I love him because he tells it like it is!
I have no idea what the fuck that expression or phrase is supposed to even mean. Like provide some element of gravitas to Trump even if he says and enacts the most stupid shit in our nation's history?
There has to be a reckoning politically soon with Congress to step up to Trump. They have every capability in theory to overturn these idiotic and generationally destructive tariffs.
That's the beauty with trumps blabbering nonsense. He gets to say everything! He says so much, and the idiots who believe in him hear what they want and get to tune out the rest. If they even admit he said something ridiculous or something thats a horrible policy, they just Say "that's not what He meant" or "you don't know what hes really saying".
Also, I like this guy is basically admitting he "might have been wrong", but praising himself at the same time while not saying he was wrong.
1. "I'm a man of honor". Just say you were fucking wrong and apologize to the "partisans" you slandered. No need to brag about yourself or your honor.
2. "Trump 2.0 is different"? How did all those "partisans" know who he would be? This is the "I'm not admitting I was wrong" part.
So, part of me wants to give him credit, but nah. He's a piece of shit.
It's one of things I find fascinating on the conservative cult subreddit, they attribute so many of his bad traits to being a joke, and I'm thinking when has this man ever said a joke?
Like legitimately, he has never told a joke, except for insults at someone else's expense. In fact, he's almost never even claimed to make a joke, even when itd be beneficial to say "I was joking" or when people thought he was kidding. He couldve said covfefe was a joke, he didnt.
So why the fuck do they say he's joking when he never is? Where does that come from? Normally youd think its right wing media working round the clock to propagandize for him, but I actually havent seen that. When he sharpies away a hurricane, it wasn't OAN or whatever saying he was joking, his base organically believes him to be joking. And if its a joke they disagree with, they dont outright disagree with it, they'll say "this is bad optics", as if its the optics that make him wanting to defund NOAA for going against his sharpie drawing be a bad thing.
You're seeing it right now with him talking about a third term. Its a joke. How? Whats the joke? Whats the setup and punchline? Their only issue with it is that this joke hurts his chances with moderate voters.
Trump supporters and MAGA live in a perpetual state of "Past and future" where past failures can be excused, downplayed or blamed on outside factors, while future concerns can be dismissed, treated as nonsensical and not based in reality.
However, through it all it's the "current" timeline that they will defend and deny as being "not so bad, it's not so bad."
“I like Trump because he tells it like it is and isn’t afraid to say what he means, but he didn’t mean it like that and wasn’t being serious, stupid libs!”
You’re supposed to believe him when he says things you like. If he says things you don’t like, he’s just trying to own the libs, and trolling half his constituents is a totally normal thing a president should be doing!
Yeah, he “tells it like it is,” unless he’s being sarcastic or kidding or having some fun or doesn’t understand the issue or isn’t good at communicating this or that particular thing or he’s new at the job or he didn’t actually say it or he did but didn’t mean it or he’s playing 4d chess or he’s trying to psych out his adversaries or
Yes, I saw lots of comments saying it's temporary. I guess gambling with the entire economic system seems acceptable to folks who elected a casino owner for president.
Can you blame them? The shit Trump is doing is so mindboggling levels of stupid that there must surely be some grand scheme going on right? RIGHT?
It's going to take some time before people come to the realization that there is no plan, and Trump is just a senile 80 year old man like any other, he just happens to be rich.
I can. His business history is available for anyone to see. The problem is the average person fails to realize how much money you can earn, even as you fail time and time again, if you had money to begin with.
Idk if I'd even call them gullible, that implies they're easily tricked but they aren't. They're told exactly what is gonna happen and then get surprised when it happens
All that ever mattered was what they WANT to believe. You can convince them of anything if it aligns with what they want to believe. But you can’t convince them that the sky is blue if Trump said otherwise because they don’t WANT to believe Trump is wrong.
You gotta realize at some point that it was also 'He literally said he'd do this and mooks still didn't vote Kamala Harris". The amount of people who didn't vote for such a black and white election still astonishes me. There's no way the orange man wins that one in 99 universes out of a hundred.
Well the thing is, it was quite literally a BLACK vs WHITE election, and that's why. I mean honestly that's why. There are still way too many sexist, racist people in this country that they would still choose literally the worst possible candidate for president in the history of humanity than actually vote for a black woman.
A white man who was generally respectful of his opponent, would shut down racist fearmongering and didn’t act out any of the current republican disinformation handbook. We live in an entirely different political climate from 17 years ago
Black men were given the right to vote in 1870 with the 15th amendment. The 19th amendment, which gave woman the right to vote, was ratified 50 years later. It’s sad to say, but a lot of Americans are not ready to vote for a woman president.
Yes Obama is a man, and his opponent did not feed into and basically run a campaign on seething hatred and racism.
And I think back then, the racist didn't understand that he could actually win. I think a lot of racist probably stayed home in 2008 and didn't vote because they thought there was no chance he would win.
This is what gets me. I don't know that anything makes me angrier around this topic than the goddamn Pikachu faces of the Trump supporters who are now totally shocked that he's doing the exact things he opened his ass shaped mouth and literally told them to their faces he had every intention of doing. And now they're surprised?! For real?!?! They're surprised he's doing the things he fucking told you he was gonna do? It's not a goddamn joke!!!!
The number of people who think he's "just kidding" about a lot of this stuff, or "that's just how he talks" or "it's all part of a negotiation tactic" is insane. I've been over in leopardsatemyface a lot, and lately been lurking in conversative subs just to see what they're saying and it's finally starting to sink in that this might be bad to some of them.
Wildest thing I saw was someone in the main conservative subreddit saying they wished Trump knew when to stop talking, because all the talk about Greenland and Canada and 51st state and tariffs is just distracting everyone from what would otherwise be considered the greatest presidency of all time.
The number of people who think he's "just kidding" about a lot of this stuff, or "that's just how he talks" or "it's all part of a negotiation tactic" is insane. I've been over in leopardsatemyface a lot, and lately been lurking in conversative subs just to see what they're saying and it's finally starting to sink in that this might be bad to some of them.
It's mostly the consequences of, ironically, the "Deep State" consisting of Republican establishment members in his cabinet during his first term. People (excluding obviously vulnerable minorities such as trans people) saw that, experienced 2016-19, came out relatively fine versus the COVID years, and assumed the current Trump term would be like that. This was exacerbated by conservative media downplaying Project 2025 and an obvious intensification of far-right populist rhetoric by the campaign.
Yeah I meant the country sending the goods. The reality is no country pays. The consumer pays and he doesn't know that. He just stuck us all with a gigantic sales tax.
Here is a Fox News video from August 2023 where he details it.
But in case you missed that, it was widely reported on and even was a wedge Harris used. PBS from September 2024:
As president, Trump imposed tariffs with a flourish — targeting imported solar panels, steel, aluminum and pretty much everything from China. “Tariff Man,” he called himself.
This time, he’s gone much further: He has proposed a 60% tariff on goods from China — and a tariff of up to 20% on everything else the United States imports.
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Vice President Kamala Harris has dismissed Trump’s tariff threats as unserious. Her campaign has cited a report that found that Trump’s 20% universal tariff would cost a typical family nearly $4,000 a year.
I do not mean this in a rude way, I am genuinely inquiring because I would really like to know, how is it that you didn't hear about that? It was one of the top things he talked about nonstop while campaigning, it was one of the biggest issues non-Trump supporters were constantly bringing up to try to warn everyone that this will literally destroy the economy.
If someone asks if you're drunk, neither answer is good. Either you are, and that means you're a problem, or you aren't, and that means your sober actions are so absurd that you're a problem.
We can't say, "Well, he never does what he says," because that means, if he did, it would be fucked up. The fact that he says them in the first place, even if knowing he won't, is fucked up. Neither case is good. And people still voted for him.
Maybe that was the true bait-and-switch all along:
Step 1) Get elected. Run your White House like a revolving door clown show.
Step 2) Go away because your White House was a revolving door clown show but be replaced by a guy who represents the status quo you won running against the 1st time.
Step 3) Get elected again but with some core of competent people around you and do a bunch of Draconian shit no one expected you to do because you were such a joke the first time.
I don't think that Trump is focused enough to pull that trick off on his own but someone above his pay grade might have seen the opportunity...
Yeah, the "I'm a man of honor" part doesn't count for much. He may have admitted he was wrong, which is something, I guess, but he's also part of the problem. That mentality is why the economy is in freefall at the moment. The whole "Oh, he's very different now, what the hell" is hard to take seriously as well when he literally said he would do this.
You think he is promising something he can never ever do, because checks and balances would take place (meaning Trump is over-promising at best, lying at worst), and knowing this, you are lying as well when supporting him.
Or, you believe he will do it, and now checks and balances don't even matter, meaning we live in a dictatorship, which means you are arguing against our Republic.
This is the, "Are you drunk?!" conundrum. No matter how you answer, it sounds terrible.
Tariffs are bad for us because competitively we can't produce most of what we import for remotely vlose to the same price. He entered a trade war where the voat gap is too big. If you impose a 20% tariff and you can't domestically produce it for close to 20% of what they do your citizens are scewed.
So that LG TV Asia can produce for $100 becomes $130. We can't make it for close to $130. So now John Doe gets the choice of now paying $130 plus the markup vs maybe $300 marked up for the pride in buying American. Either way that TV you just paid $400 for now probably costs $470 post mark up. He screwed US consumers.
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u/DrJohnnyBananas74 19h ago
Big dummy, he literally said he'd do this and mooks like you voted for him.