I’ve been saying this since before the election happened that the goal of all his talk of tariffs is an era of isolation for the U.S. through a version of globalization written out in Project 2025 by the investment firm Cantor Fitzgerald and Peter Thiel the main partner in Palantir. Tariffs, threats of military action against Panama Canal/Canada/Greenland are bluffs to allow specific American companies to get a better hold in those countries for resources or transportation.
The threats against Panama Canal stopped literally when BlackRock Inc. bough for $23 billion 2 of the 4 ports in the Canal and over 40 ports throughout 20+ countries. The threats against Greenland will stop when the same happens and acquiring Canada is very much real in the way the current relationship between Denmark owns Greenland.
While all that happens the dismantling of the federal government, the services it provides and the bureaucracy that exists to ensure all that wealth isn’t abused. This is why Palantir (Peter Thiel’s company which is the 2nd biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA and the U.S. military along with the UK and Norway) found Elon Musk his kids and adult DOGE teams. The goal is to privatize everything in the U.S. so the government is no longer held responsible by Congress or the judicial branch. First defund the agencies and services to make them useless and make Americans angry then give an out by privatizing it all.
It’s written in Project 2025 the goal is to sell off all the property from the Post Office/take the money from the pensions and leave the debt for the American taxpayers, defund the IRS so no one goes after the rich, sell off all federal lands including national parks to allow for drilling and mining for oil and metals. For those saying they don’t have the power to do it, they do because no branch will stop them.
The tariffs are targeted for specific types of manufacturing that Cantor Fitzgerald and Peter Thiel want happening here while the rest of the products are being ignored. The point of all this to create manufacturing that focuses on using all those metals for making more tech like low orbit satellites (over 7000 thrown into low orbit in the last 2 years with thousands more planned for the next few years) for SpaceX for Starlink and Starshield. The long term goal is for Starlink to be the sole isp provider (Starlink has already partnered with TMobile). When they control the flow of internet they control what you see on it. This is why Elon’s adult doge team at the FAA is still trying to cancel the contract with Verizon and give it Starlink. This is why temporarily the DOGE team had hard physical access to all the federal agencies whose information they want to retain and become the replacement for those agencies like dept of education/USDA/NOAA/SSA and the IRS. This is why Amanda Scales who is an employee of Elon’s went over to OPM week one of Trump becoming president and setup a private server hosted in a foreign country to help facilitate the flow of all the data they wanted to copy and store.
A few things are happening on September 30 of this year. The 6 month gap bill to fund the government ends, the deferred retirement program finally kicks in and at the very same time Elon has promised new code for the Social Security Administration will be written to replace the old. The government will either be allowed to shutdown or the new funding bill will not only gut the folks the who accepted the retirement plan by affecting their pensions or even worse. The code would take years to ensure security and stability but Elon wants to use his AI company and Palantir to rewrite the code in months.
While all this happens while agencies are being shutdown so that there less obstacles in their way what they want is autocratic control and most importantly Trump is only a puppet and will be thrown aside when he is no longer useful. That sounds good but his replacement will be Vance.
The tech oligarchs (Peter Thiel and Elon Musk) took power with the help of investment firms like Cantor Fitzgerald (Cantor’s chairman is Lutnik now commerce secretary so Lutnik made his son the new chairman) who enabled and supported Russ Vought (head of Office of Budget Management) to write Project 2025. Peter Thiel born in West Germany, brought up in a South African town that at the time was a supporter of Nazism. He is a Christian nationalist that believe women shouldn’t vote, follower of Curtis Yarvin’s philosophy of replacing democracy and believer of scapegoat mechanism for which he says Trump fits the role (make things so bad and have it blamed on one person so when that person is removed the masses believe the problems are gone)
Oh I’ve tried, got permanent ban from the news sub when I accidentally posted this comment twice in one post. Got temporarily banned by politics sub cause they said I posted this comment in too many different subreddits. So now I posted this and a few other “long comments” to my Reddit profile. The most recent is about NSA chief and his deputy being fired. You’ll have to scroll slightly down to see the other posts. I think it’s worth a read if you have time.
I’ve seen this same argument a few times, and while I certainly don’t refute the claim, I think it’s fairly obvious that this is EXACTLY what they said they would do and are now doing, I’m not worried that they’ll pull it off. These tech bros are super rich and have been for multiple decades. They are absolutely used to the people bowing to them, and they only ever experience pushback from the government. They think if they can just get rid of the government, that they’ll be in position to just take over and the people will just continue bowing because the people care about THEM and not just their MONEY. And the money is just imaginary anyway. They’re setting themselves up to dismantle the government, but have no replacement that will be acceptable. There is zero chance in my mind that the American People will just roll over and accept their new corporate overlords. If the government is gone, if democracy is gone, if the economy is gone, there aren’t enough black rock mercs alive to keep them protected.
No I mean FAA, it’s a $2.4 billion contract to upgrade its telecommunications network. It was in the news a few weeks ago when all the crashes happened. Elon wants Starlink to become the sole isp in the U.S. it’s why he partnered with TMobile, it’s why SpaceX threw up over 7000 low orbit satellites in the last few years and thousands more this year. Don’t get me wrong it’s also for starshield but Starlink is what he wants replacing all ISP’s here in the states. When he controls the flow of internet he controls what you see.
What's the point of their rewriting the code from COBOL? They seems to be obsessed with this. Part of me feels it's just a trojan horse for them to put back doors in core systems.
The goal isn’t to backdoor anything. Copy the data which they did when they hard physical access to it all then force the government to use them and pay them. Wipe out the agencies and bring the needed ones under the commerce department like they have already started to do.
Surely there are government safe guards on state data ownership? Even wiping out an agency, wouldn't the data remain archived at minimum and the sole property of the govt/ US people generally? What's the point of replacing COBOL in any case? It's old sure, but it's solid. Is this just a matter of them re-platforming it for their people?
Privatization, all laid out in project 2025. Written by the current head of office of budget management and funded by the current commerce secretary back when he was the chairman of Cantor Fitzgerald which was only 3 months ago. Oh btw his son is now the chairman there. Removing the post office, taking the pension billions and selling the property. Then going after all federal lands including national parks.
I get the angle, I just don't understand why they are so desperate to do a re-write of the code specifically. COBOL works, and they could easily take on the COBOL people they fired if they wanted to keep it in one piece. The re-write has to be for other reasons (because it's expensive as hell to do this), and there are only a few I can think of:
-they want to sell back a re-written product
-they want to back door the system and put it in place either publically or privately
-they want a replatform that will play well with their AI
There literally no financial benefit to a re-write (even if they wanted to privatize) unless they're wanting to get it re-platformed specifically for other engineering reasons. I guess AI compatibility makes the most sense now I think about it.
I totally believe your points, I just don't see en engineering benefit to a re-write (even for privatization) unless there's a secondary benefit at play for which we are not aware.
There's a lot of good info here, but Peter Thiel is not a Christian Nationalist and his views are different than his more fundamentalist parents. Hell, he's openly gay. He's much more of the smart guy who read Ayn Rand way too young and became a greedy sort of libertarian. He's just in league with social conservatives right now because money matters more to him than anything else, and has manipulated Vance and Elon Musk for his goals.
Solid write up. I’m a never trumper and I argue with trumpy people all the time. I am however, a massive supporter of Palantir. I believe their leadership has pushed back against Thiel and supported the blue, and I think they will have a positive effect on our government. They already have, but I am in favor of that expanding. Do you see that as incongruous with a despise for Trump and P2025? I think Palantir is catching strays here.
Have you worked with Palantir? Have you read Karp’s book? Look up his political donations for the last election. Do you have an issue with Palantir’s tech? Which part?
I'm not going to sit here and write an entire essay or collect all information, it's not worth my time. But if you think anyone working there has any form empathy or ethical responsibility, you are delusional. Anything touched by Thiel should be completely destroyed. Karp's political donations mean absolutely fucking nothing when he can tolerate to even be in the same room as Thiel without seething. It's all for show.
I read each article and the forum post. Quite dated, but point taken. The law enforcement and immigration work is problematic, to say the absolute least. I agree. That one sentence about “anything touched by thiel should be completely destroyed” I believe clouds your judgement. I mean no disrespect to your judgement, just that I disagree, and I think there are many products thiel has touched that have had a positive impact on the world. It’s just too blanketed a statement. My bias is that I am pro west, pro America. I hate that we’re such a dumb country at the moment and it’s hard for me to separate us from the current admin and its supporters, but I still think Palantir has a place in our DoD and commercial sector. I disagree that anyone working there has no empathy or ethics. I remain open to changing that position and thanks for the response with sources.
Fuck thiel, was that not clear? I like Palantir though. I was curious if I was missing something important but I think I’m clear. They’ve been involved in some tough things I mentioned but I think the company is net good. In a world with China and Russia and saudis and Israel and Iran, I’m happy Palantir exists.
Endorsing all the possible options, it’s what you do with money.
Karp is so left that he has condemned “woke” ways of thinking, calling woke a central risk to Palantir, that Palantir is a counter-example to companies he considers woke.
Dems have helped the defense industry just as much as the right if not more under certain years so why not support Harris a former prosecutor.
Karp is so left that he condemned pro-Palestine protests calling them an infection inside of our society, he remarked the peace activists are war activists and they should be sent to North Korea.
Karp is so left and open minded that he has said the west has a superior way of living and said he supports Palantir contract with ICE and using the software to enable separation of families.
Thiel directly own roughly 180 million publicly traded shares which 7%. His investment firm Rivendell 7 owns 34 million publicly traded shares. Other Thiel vehicles own 37 million shares. Thiel entities also own 32.5 million supervoting Class B shares in Palantir. Those class b shares carry 10 votes while public ones carry only 1 vote per share. Now here is the kicker for why he still controls Palantir (link below), Thiel has sole investment power over 335,000 class F shares as part of a trust that has 49.99% voting interest in the company.
Let's assume he could scrub all records of his comments from the universe. Admitting you are wrong is worthless anyways if it's not accompanied by change. Saying "I was wrong. I guess gasoline is flammable." doesn't mean shit to the person whose house burnt down. Admitting you were wrong only matters when it is the first step in fixing a mistake. I would give a shit if started to do something good in return, but let's not pretend like he wouldn't just support another serial sexual assaulter and con man if they ran for office as a Republican.
By even referring to this as "Trump 2.0" he is:
Implying Trump 1.0 was worthy of support
Deflecting the blame of being wrong to Trump changing as if it's a different person doing different things
Well sure, but most of us would delete something like that / just pretend it never happened. Replying to your own mistake and saying you acknowledge it is much bigger than most people are.
I don't know who he is and if he learned anything from this, but admitting a mistake is more than nothing.
If thats where honor comes from then Hillary must be the most honorable poster alive for leaving "happy birthday to this future president" up for all to see.
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u/savpunk 19h ago
We were laughing about this on Blue Sky yesterday. “Man of honor,” my foot. He knows he can’t escape the screenshots.