r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Archer1407 20h ago

Trump is going to launch a trade war against California in the next few days.

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u/dorothea63 19h ago

Trump claims to be all about states’ rights when it benefits him (overturning Roe v Wade) but then loves to impose rules and punish states that defy him. Anyone saying they support Trump because they believe in states’ rights is a liar or a fool.

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u/DmAc724 19h ago

“is a liar or a fool”

Most likely they are both

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u/dancin-weasel 19h ago

A fooliar

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u/JusticeJaunt New Jersey 19h ago

No one is fooliar than the big orange man.

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u/Music2251993 18h ago

Prefer Liarool, sounds and looks stupid as they are

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u/Specialist_Brain841 America 18h ago

Liafool

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u/RandalFlagg19 18h ago

A republican. The word you’re looking for is republican.

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u/Celestial_Magpie 7h ago

With a real “Fooliar than thou” attitude!

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u/Aggressive-Cookie815 17h ago

I’d also like to add “bigot” to the word soup 

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u/Motormand 16h ago

And racist. Can't forget that one.

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u/NHL95onSEGAgenesis 19h ago

Also greedy AF.

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u/algebramclain 19h ago

The states’ rights mask will completely drop when an executive order on a national abortion ban is announced (my money is on Mother’s Day may 11) with federal charges for anyone seeking one.

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u/InertiasCreep 19h ago edited 18h ago

No one supports Trump because they have consistent political beliefs of any kind. Inconsistency for them is a feature, not a bug.

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u/kandoras 19h ago

That's been the definition of states rights all the way back to before the civil war, when southern states demanded the right to choose whether or not they could keep slavery while also demanding that free states had to return escaped slaves.

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u/MoonBatsRule America 18h ago

I hope that this conservative talking point about being in favor of "local control" can finally be slain. They are now telling individual school districts how they can or can't spend money and conservatives are cheering.

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u/werewere123 18h ago

If you listen to the things he says, it's pretty obvious Trump never cared about "state's rights" or even banning abortion. What he cares about it fucking with Democrats, being the centre of attention, and being incredibly racist.

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u/Ravek 17h ago

“States’ rights” has been a dog whistle for inhumane laws since 1861.

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u/TimAllen_in_WildHogs 17h ago

Its the same way conservatives love to virtue signal that they are all for small government but the moment they get into power they loveeeeeeeeeee to expand executive powers and impose federal powers over states left and right.

Same way conservatives love to virtue signal how much they care for their troops but constantly gut funding for veterans.

Conservatives are so predictable in how they act. It is always so disingenuous.

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u/ringmod76 16h ago

Don't forget that they want to "give education back to the states" while also making spurious, possibly illegal and incredibly vague demands of states on what they can and can't do if they want to keep receiving federal education funds. Also, "give education back to the states" is an incredibly dumb statement that shows that they have no fucking clue what they're talking about, not that they care.

Also, I hope they really turn the screws on deep-red Mississippi, the state most dependent on federal education dollars as a percentage of their overall education spending - actually, South Dakota just edges them out by 0.4%. Nevertheless, both are just under 20% while reliably blue states Illinois, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and New York are all under 8%, in declining order. That's right, New York is the lowest in the country at 4.6%.

All those red state welfare queens 🙄

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u/stylist-trend 18h ago

To them, good faith arguments aren't meant as a way to keep people accountable. Instead, good faith is used as a tool. They'll complain if you don't act in good faith, while doing whatever they want (while being backed by a ton of other bad-faith people who also do whatever they want)

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u/beamrider 18h ago

States have the right to support Loser 47 as much as they want. Just like Americans in general have the right to be as conservative a fundamentalist Christian as they want to be. That's what 'religious freedom' means, right? /s

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u/Agreeable-Cap-1764 18h ago

Cant call these people out on hypocrisy. It's pointless. Hell go after california.

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u/zeromussc 18h ago

Well is trade a federal responsibility in your constitution or not? Because up here in Canada the provinces can do whatever they want to encourage trade and find buyers for their industries, but when it comes to border controls, and related taxes, that's federal and the constitution wouldn't allow our provinces to negotiate any sort of tariff, surtax, or other capital control no matter how much they want to.

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u/_silver_avram_ 18h ago

You don't get it. It's about red state rights, not blue state rights. Come on man. /s

America probably did end the reconstruction era in the south too early. Dixie anger is still tearing the country apart.

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u/aure__entuluva 16h ago

You are correct.

Trump is trying to stop NYC implementing congestion pricing (a program which is working well btw). He also attempted to stop California from setting its own emissions standards for vehicles, which is just ridiculous. California's air quality has come a long way since the 90's due to these stricter standards.

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u/averyrdc 16h ago

Literally all of Republicans lie about the whole “states rights” thing. They only say that as an argumentative device to get what they want. trump didn’t invent that.

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u/cpepinc 19h ago

This goes back to the Vaunted Confederacy, which had more power vested in their Federal government. But they were all for "States rights"

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u/scarykicks 19h ago

It's States rights when they're not in power. But once they are they don't care about States rights.

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u/Certain_Scarcity_975 18h ago

States' rights has never included right to impose tarrifs. Your statement is true, but not because of this hypothetical.

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u/Hopeful_Turn2722 18h ago

Eloquent and straightforward statement!

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u/cyanescens_burn 18h ago

I can’t recall whose Twitter account it was, but the person was theorizing that trump is intentionally cratering the economy not to benefit Russia (at least not entirely), but so that he will gain economic leverage over cities, states, and corporations (and possibly even nations with the tariffs).

Essentially creating conditions where everyone needs some bailing out, but only bailing out those that kiss the ring and do whatever he says. Everyone else suffers for anything but complete obedience.

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u/CliftonForce 17h ago

Didn't you get the memo?

"States Rights" means "A State shall move as far to the political Right as possible. Any Leftward motion will be stopped by another level of government."

What did you think it meant?

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u/Khanscriber 16h ago

“States’ rights” has always meant “I’m too cowardly to state my beliefs openly so I hide behind abstract concepts”

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u/Rohans_Most_Wanted 16h ago

They are the same people unironically touting the line that the Civil War was about states' rights and not slavery, so it is pretty clear that they have no idea what the words mean. They are parrots repeating phrases for peanuts.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 15h ago

A reminder that States' Rights was bullshit even back in the day. Northern states tried to hide and protect runaway slaves, but the Fugitive Slave Act allowed slavecatchers to round them up and ship them back. (Occasionally they picked up free men, too.)

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u/_Bad_Bob_ 15h ago

That's just called being a conservative. They've been doing that shit since before the civil war.

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u/Faptainjack2 15h ago

Roe vs Wade was overturned on June 2022 during the Biden administration.

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u/trashdb 15h ago

Look at the result of these tariffs:
"Just had a very productive call with To Lam, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, who told me that Vietnam wants to cut their Tariffs down to ZERO if they are able to make an agreement with the U.S. I thanked him on behalf of our Country, and said I look forward to a meeting in the near future."

Keep in mind Vietnam had a highly asymmetrical tariff price against the US.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 15h ago

"States rights" has always been a fucking lie told by people who want to take rights away from other humans.

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u/BackInNJAgain 14h ago

You can omit the phrase "because they believe in states' rights" from the sentence and it's still accurate.

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u/Responsible-Lunch815 14h ago

this ^ he wants to dismantle the Department of Ed and leave it up to the states...but not tariffs and trades?

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u/dorothea63 13h ago

And he’s trying to punish states that aren’t following his EO on trans athletes.

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u/ItsABiscuit 7h ago

"States rights" just means racism/misogyny.

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u/ss5gogetunks 7h ago

Saying they support him because of State's Rights is EXACTLY the same as them saying the Civil War was for States Rights. In both cases it's a flimsy ass cover for them being shitty to brown people.

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u/Neve4ever 5h ago

International trade has never been a right granted to states. The federal government has tried a ton of rights away from the states, though.

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u/Lumpy_Promise1674 18h ago

It is explicitly not a right of the states. This is a fight CA will lose under any administration.

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u/tyrownious 13h ago

Roe v wade was overturned in 2022 during Biden it had nothing to do with trump where were you getting the trump overturning it?

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u/dorothea63 13h ago

That was his stated reason for why he was glad that it was overturned. He said it should be up to individual states.

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u/tyrownious 4h ago

Oh I see what you’re saying I was reading it as if it was implied he overturned it