r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Cisco-NintendoSwitch 19h ago

Right, California could secede and collapse all the red states.

Either way we’re heading to something.

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u/TehMephs 19h ago

Take us with you!

Signed, Colorado

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u/SharpCookie232 19h ago

Same. Here in Massachusetts.

The blue states should secede. On our own or in some kind of partnership with Canada (United States of Canadia?). The red states are an anchor around our neck. We need to cut them loose.

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u/whoibehmmm 19h ago

Couldn't agree more. They've been holding us back for decades.

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u/NecroCannon 16h ago

Even before all of this I decided to move from Mississippi because there’s genuinely no future here, the state refuses to progress to grow and will take two steps back just to make sure it stays that way.

Meanwhile I look at Illinois, where I’m going to, and the Gov is on Trump’s ass and also doing trade negotiations behind Trump’s back around tariffs

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u/whoibehmmm 15h ago

Good on you for getting out! My personal feelings about Newsom and Pritzker aside, all blue state govs should be following their lead.

And I know lots of leftists will argue "we should be moving TO red states to flip them" but fuck that. Their majority vote that way because they want to stay that way. After this circus of an election I am done trying to make them see the light. If you want to live in a place that actively tries to move forward then you're just going to have to pick up and move to those places.

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u/NecroCannon 15h ago

I’m not out yet but I’m 2-3 months from it!

But it’s exactly how I feel now, and the thing about my town is, it has a whole famous athlete tied to it but with that spot light still barely does anything with it. I can’t even stand by the “remember where you came from and support your home town” stance, there was so much racial bullshit it took me graduating and learning more about the world to see that my area has hardly even fucking moved past segregation. It’s baked into minds here like it was just 20 years ago or some shit.

What kind of educated person wants to settle down where they feel like they’re surrounded by idiots stuck in the past? These states deserve to fall at this point

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u/whoibehmmm 14h ago

I am very happy for you and those 2-3 months will pass in a flash. I grew up in the South. Fuck that, lol. I want to live in places where people dream of moving forward. Have a great life in your new city!

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u/sabinabj 11h ago

Welcome to Illinois! We love you!

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u/TehMephs 19h ago

+2 from this household

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 18h ago

We can then just invade, liberate the red states, and make them territories without actual voting power. So we'll have a US again but with an updated constitution and better voters.

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u/whoibehmmm 17h ago

Liberate them? They vote for the policies that keep them in the stone age, it's what they want. They should just form their own dream coalition where they have God but no education, healthcare and technology and their blue voters can come to our side.

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u/donkeyrocket 17h ago

As someone who lives in a strong blue spot within a deep red state, I depressingly get the sentiment but keep in mind that there are people everywhere that voted for this while others are caught within states with rural red rule.

The Democrat stronghold of Massachusetts that had the strongest Harris vote still saw 36% voting for Trump.

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u/whoibehmmm 16h ago

Oh, I know, and I feel you. Every single state no matter how "red" or "blue" can't be distilled down to just that. In a world where blue states could actually form their own government, there would likely be a lot of blue voters trapped in red states because moving isn't that easy in reality. And vice versa.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 14h ago edited 7h ago

Their kids don't deserve that though. Most of their daughters probably won't want to get raped by an older man when they're 14 and married off. This way of life they're so desperately trying to protect is just... deplorable. It cannot be practiced without hurting innocents because being allowed to hurt innocents to feel powerful is the point.

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u/raptosaurus 15h ago

They meant liberate in the same way the US liberated Iraq

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u/PenImpossible874 New York 10h ago

Christian Afghanistan hahaha

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 16h ago

I'm starting to think some of y'all aren't as progressive as you claim. Mississippi is almost 40% black almost none of whom vote for any of this nonsense. But fuck em because they're a minority. Fuck my gay sister and my trans cousin and me and my wife. All who voted for Harris but have been unfortunately enough to be born in a red state.

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u/Vyar New Jersey 15h ago

I mean at some point you have to realize the state is lost, right? Republicans have the majority of Mississippi residents convinced that it's in their best interests to vote red for generations, they don't want to vote blue to make things better. Their Senators and Representatives in the federal government make our lives worse.

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 14h ago

I dunno, it was my understanding progressives are supposed to lift and help folks who needed it. Not abandon them. Cause the flood of refugees y'all end up getting would probably cripple your economies anyways. Not to mention the war that would start as well.

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u/Vyar New Jersey 14h ago

We've been trying. If it was going to work, Mississippi would have flipped purple or blue by now. As far as I'm aware, it has never been close to turning away from red.

Abraham Lincoln once said that a house divided against itself cannot stand. That's where we've been at for a while now. Progressives trying to bring our country into the modern era to match our European cousins, while regressives call themselves "conservatives" and keep throwing a tantrum about not getting their way, even though "their way" consists of one simple premise: "We get to do whatever we want, and you get to do whatever we tell you." We've got red states that are worse off than some third-world countries but their residents are convinced it would be worse if a liberal was in charge, so they accept it.

Europeans have healthcare and most basic needs met. We could do that, but we waste money on defense spending and other forms of "corporate welfare" designed to further widen the wealth gap and funnel billions to people who are already billionaires. We keep calling ourselves the "greatest country in the world" while millions of our own people starve so some CEO can buy a third yacht. America is a shithole country for anyone who's not obscenely wealthy.

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u/MaddyKet 7h ago

We could afford to help the refugees because we’d be keeping all our tax dollars, not seeing it go to prop up red states. Personally, if we did get to the point of the blue states seceding, I want the blue refugees in red states to have help relocating.

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u/whoibehmmm 9h ago

At what point do you say "Man, I think the life of my family and I would just be better elsewhere?" and make that move? Do you think that progressives are going to sweep in and flip these deep red states with hopes and prayers? Your state is controlled by people who want to keep things exactly the way they have been for the past hundred years and they will fight to keep it that way. Why do we always have to be the ones to extend that hand? They are a lost cause.

If you want to find a place where your gay sister and trans cousin would be and feel safer, then leave. Blue states will be much more accepting. But don't blame progressives. They are not holding you there at gunpoint.

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u/King-Snorky Georgia 13h ago

EVERY STATE IS A PURPLE STATE. The United States as a country is as fucked as it is right now due in large part to our archaic FPTP Electoral College system, which leaves a massive portion of people living in a state that ultimately gives away all its electoral votes to the other candidate.

  • Kamala actually got more votes from people in states she lost than from states she won in 2024. ~52% (~38.9 million) of her ~75 million votes came from so called "red states/districts", making up about 38% of those states' total votes.
  • A third (~26.4 million) of Trump's 77.3 votes came from so-called "blue states/districts", also comprising about 40% of those states total votes.

So, let's take the ridiculous scenario where the States/districts that went to Trump in 2024 all seceded, taking all their current residents and forming a new Confederate States of America v2.0. The election results tell us that around 40% of people in each country, 65 million people in total, would want to move to the other country.

Source: Did the math myself. Nebraska of course would find itself in an interesting East/West Berlin situation in the area surrounding Omaha.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 8h ago

That's the real issue with any proposed geographic division.

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 16h ago

Sure as long as I don't have to pay taxes if you won't let me vote.

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u/VermillionEclipse 12h ago

Will you take refugees from red states?

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u/whoibehmmm 10h ago

Absolutely. Come on over!

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u/MaddyKet 7h ago

Yes, if I was in charge, that’s always been part of my plan. We’d certainly have the money since it’s not going to the entire state of Kentucky anymore.

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u/The_Kielbasa_Kid 9h ago

Ever since they lost the War of Northern Agression