r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/SharpCookie232 1d ago

Same. Here in Massachusetts.

The blue states should secede. On our own or in some kind of partnership with Canada (United States of Canadia?). The red states are an anchor around our neck. We need to cut them loose.

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u/whoibehmmm 1d ago

Couldn't agree more. They've been holding us back for decades.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 1d ago

We can then just invade, liberate the red states, and make them territories without actual voting power. So we'll have a US again but with an updated constitution and better voters.

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u/whoibehmmm 1d ago

Liberate them? They vote for the policies that keep them in the stone age, it's what they want. They should just form their own dream coalition where they have God but no education, healthcare and technology and their blue voters can come to our side.

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u/donkeyrocket 1d ago

As someone who lives in a strong blue spot within a deep red state, I depressingly get the sentiment but keep in mind that there are people everywhere that voted for this while others are caught within states with rural red rule.

The Democrat stronghold of Massachusetts that had the strongest Harris vote still saw 36% voting for Trump.

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u/whoibehmmm 1d ago

Oh, I know, and I feel you. Every single state no matter how "red" or "blue" can't be distilled down to just that. In a world where blue states could actually form their own government, there would likely be a lot of blue voters trapped in red states because moving isn't that easy in reality. And vice versa.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 1d ago edited 20h ago

Their kids don't deserve that though. Most of their daughters probably won't want to get raped by an older man when they're 14 and married off. This way of life they're so desperately trying to protect is just... deplorable. It cannot be practiced without hurting innocents because being allowed to hurt innocents to feel powerful is the point.

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u/raptosaurus 1d ago

They meant liberate in the same way the US liberated Iraq

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u/PenImpossible874 New York 23h ago

Christian Afghanistan hahaha

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 1d ago

I'm starting to think some of y'all aren't as progressive as you claim. Mississippi is almost 40% black almost none of whom vote for any of this nonsense. But fuck em because they're a minority. Fuck my gay sister and my trans cousin and me and my wife. All who voted for Harris but have been unfortunately enough to be born in a red state.

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u/Vyar New Jersey 1d ago

I mean at some point you have to realize the state is lost, right? Republicans have the majority of Mississippi residents convinced that it's in their best interests to vote red for generations, they don't want to vote blue to make things better. Their Senators and Representatives in the federal government make our lives worse.

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 1d ago

I dunno, it was my understanding progressives are supposed to lift and help folks who needed it. Not abandon them. Cause the flood of refugees y'all end up getting would probably cripple your economies anyways. Not to mention the war that would start as well.

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u/Vyar New Jersey 1d ago

We've been trying. If it was going to work, Mississippi would have flipped purple or blue by now. As far as I'm aware, it has never been close to turning away from red.

Abraham Lincoln once said that a house divided against itself cannot stand. That's where we've been at for a while now. Progressives trying to bring our country into the modern era to match our European cousins, while regressives call themselves "conservatives" and keep throwing a tantrum about not getting their way, even though "their way" consists of one simple premise: "We get to do whatever we want, and you get to do whatever we tell you." We've got red states that are worse off than some third-world countries but their residents are convinced it would be worse if a liberal was in charge, so they accept it.

Europeans have healthcare and most basic needs met. We could do that, but we waste money on defense spending and other forms of "corporate welfare" designed to further widen the wealth gap and funnel billions to people who are already billionaires. We keep calling ourselves the "greatest country in the world" while millions of our own people starve so some CEO can buy a third yacht. America is a shithole country for anyone who's not obscenely wealthy.

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u/MaddyKet 19h ago

We could afford to help the refugees because we’d be keeping all our tax dollars, not seeing it go to prop up red states. Personally, if we did get to the point of the blue states seceding, I want the blue refugees in red states to have help relocating.

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u/whoibehmmm 22h ago

At what point do you say "Man, I think the life of my family and I would just be better elsewhere?" and make that move? Do you think that progressives are going to sweep in and flip these deep red states with hopes and prayers? Your state is controlled by people who want to keep things exactly the way they have been for the past hundred years and they will fight to keep it that way. Why do we always have to be the ones to extend that hand? They are a lost cause.

If you want to find a place where your gay sister and trans cousin would be and feel safer, then leave. Blue states will be much more accepting. But don't blame progressives. They are not holding you there at gunpoint.

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u/bejeesus Mississippi 10h ago

I make 18 an hour in the cheapest state I simply can't afford to move. Especially when my wife has cancer and we need to be near my family to help take care of our kid because Lord knows can't afford any childcare. This is the same argument conservative use, "if you don't like the country just move!"