r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/airemy_lin 1d ago

The stepping stones for American balkanization.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

American balkanization is horrible idea for American's FYI.

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u/Lurking_nerd California 1d ago

And sticking with this broken ass system is a better alternative? Fuck that. Like MTG said, time for a national divorce. Republicans, MAGA, and the right have shit talked California for decades while taking our tax dollars. Fuck them. We’ll do our own thing.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

Don't fall for the trap. One of the reasons that Republican politicians are so dangerous is that they push division. Division is not a solution. It's a threat. Don't fall into the very trap as Republicans.

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u/yoLeaveMeAlone 1d ago

I'm sorry but this type of rhetoric is a slap in the face to the immigrants and queer Americans that are under attack and having rights stripped away by this administration, and facing hate crimes by the people that voted for these politicians. They are actively spewing hate about real people, deporting them, taking away their rights, and demonizing them. And then when those marginalized groups respond some privileged people have the balls to criticize the marginalized groups by saying "don't fall for their trap"... Motherfucker their rights are under attack. Lying down and taking it is not a good answer.

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

destroying your nation by ripping it apart will not lead to a better future for these ppl..

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u/Kanin_usagi 1d ago

Especially because so many of those people live in red states, and have absolutely no way to change that (trust me I would if I could)

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u/yoLeaveMeAlone 1d ago

Well when resistance is painted as "giving in to division" and then demonized as bad what exactly are they to do? Submit to an oppressive regime of fascism because resisting isn't guarenteed to help them?

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

it isnt painted as anything. thats what it is.

not enforcing the tariffs is the same as not paying federal taxes. with california being the strongest economy this means a massive loss of tax income for the fed.

how do you think the fed will react when you break the constitution and withhold tax?

unless you are prepared to fully secceed this will invite the fed to impose martial law and take over the state and install whoever they want.

and no noone is saying just lay down and take it. but do so without self immolating..

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u/yoLeaveMeAlone 1d ago

and no noone is saying just lay down and take it. but do so without self immolating..

If that's your take then try offering alternative methods of resistance, instead of just criticizing those willing to try and telling them to stop. How do you expect people to resist the destruction of our economy without trying to circumvent the forces destroying our economy?

The federal government is literally tanking the economy and your complaining about people fighting back because it could hurt the economy... It's already fucking crashing... It's the feds fault.

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

it isnt a take.. its reality. and if you think that path will lead you anywhere positive you go ahead.

and thew alternative is to take legal paths instead of illegal. same way as your every day life. or do you choose illegal paths in your life genreally and expect positive outcomes?

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u/yoLeaveMeAlone 1d ago

do you choose illegal paths in your life genreally and expect positive outcomes?

When the law is unjust and negative, YES. I'm a part of a church community that has broken the law to host a homeless encampment that was "illegal" according to local ordinances. We helped people, housed them and fed them despite it being illegal. The law is not infallible when the people in charge of enforcing it are fascists.

I'll ask again. What alternative is there to fight back against the federal government actively destroying our economy. How do you expect to resist a fascist takeover when your advice is "only do things the fascists tell you are OK"?

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u/Malaix 1d ago

It literally can if the alternative is letting red state troopers and red state federal policy destroy their rights and lives.

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u/rolfraikou 20h ago

Look at what our nation has turned into.