r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

American balkanization is horrible idea for American's FYI.

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u/Guilty-Shoulder-9214 1d ago

For many, yes. Because California and the east coast bankroll them. However, for the east coast and California, it’s likely a smart move. I’d totally vote to go along with California if it were offered to the western and rocky states minus Utah.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

It's not a smart move for California and the East Coast. Division and isolation is trap that always makes you weaker.

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u/-GoBills- 1d ago

They would immediately align their interests with Canada, the EU, and the rest of the sane world.

Republicans are hell bent on division and isolation, let them have it in their garbage red states.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

Don't fall for the trap. One of the reasons that Republican politicians are so dangerous is that they push division. Division is not a solution. It's a threat. Don't fall into the same trap as Republicans.

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u/-GoBills- 1d ago

That's about as useful as saying "Being cut is bad so it's better to let the cancer spread than have surgery".

Republican politicians are so dangerous is that they push division

They're dangerous because a huge voter base comprised of proudly ignorant, racist, and morally bankrupt individuals let them do anything they want without any scrutiny or self-reflection.

You can try and reach across the aisle all you want, it doesn't work with fascists and theocrats who think they have divine permission from god to be horrible human beings. Maybe if they had the capacity to be ashamed we wouldn't be in this mess, but we've been far too tolerant for far too long.

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u/EitherSpite4545 1d ago

These people are never going to learn to behave like civilized people, there is nothing to come together with them. It's time to cut the cancer off.

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u/Malaix 1d ago

They push division between groups of people within the country. They want us bitter but trapped and in this corpse nation while they loot us. Other nations have good qualities of life without being a continent spanning empire.

I’d rather have the north east free to pursue that better life than constantly being pulled by and dragged down by the regressive south and Midwest.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

Other nations have largely been at the whim of the US lately. Integration makes societies wealthy and safe through reduced conflict and increased cooperation. Individualist/isolationist mentalities breed more conflict.

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u/Malaix 1d ago

Which is why I support secession to join in closer bonds with NATO, Canada, the EU, the UN, the ICC, the WHO, and others. The red states all want to isolate from that like s bunch of bitter hermits and live under a dictator who says enslaving women and eliminating brown and LGBTQ people is the future.

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u/MissionCreeper 1d ago

If someone in the backseat tells my passenger to grab the wheel and drive us off a cliff, I dont care if thats the fault of the backseat guy- Im kicking the passenger out of the moving car to save myself.