r/wizardposting • u/Oversexualised_Tank Overse Xu'al, master of ossification COP member • 19d ago

Foul Sorcery The cancermancer at work

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u/PavelDatsyuk 18d ago

Are there any studies showing nicotine by itself is carcinogenic? If it's not then I don't see how vaping would give you cancer.

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u/Gloriathewitch 18d ago

constant exposure to hot steam can do cellular damage through inflammation and that's proven to increase cancer risk

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u/PavelDatsyuk 18d ago

Not every vape is hot, but these disposables in OP typically are, so touché.

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u/Gloriathewitch 18d ago

the one i had crackled and the steam was still very hot by the time it hit my airways

not trying to be snarky, im not much of a vape goddess so to speak, but wouldnt it have to be piping hot for the water to condense into vapour?

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u/TheDuckDealer14 18d ago

The liquid used for vaping isn't water. It's VG+PG (vegetable glycerin + propylene glycol). The vapor does start off hot, but the temp depends on a few factors like density of the vapor (which depends on the coil, liquid and wattage), length of the chimney (space between the coil and mouthpiece) and the amount of airflow. For example, I've got an RDA (rebuildable dripping atomizer), so it's literally a coil with cotton running through it and a metal cap with a plastic mouthpiece on top. There is no tank. The chimney is incredibly short and since it's an MTL (mouth-to-lung) and not a DTL (directly-to-lung) RDA, the airflow holes aren't big. I also use a decent amount of power for the coil I'm running, which in total means that the vapor is quite warm when it reaches my mouth. My brother on the other hand uses a tank and stays at the bottom of the wattage range recommended by the manufacturer for the coil he uses. He has a longer chimney, more airflow and as the cloud is thinner, it ends up being much colder. So it really depends on the device and how someone uses it.

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u/Old_Gimlet_Eye 18d ago

I've never vaped but I used a nebulizer as a kid for asthma and the mist was very cool.

Think about fog. Vapor doesn't have to be hot.

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u/PinboardWizard 18d ago

List of known carcinogens here. Nicotine is not on the list, though technically a derivative of nicotine that the body can produce when provided with nicotine (N-Nitrosonornicotine) is on there.

Still, traditional tobacco products provide both a higher amount of N-Nitrosonornicotine and also other carcinogens not found in vapes. As such, we don't really have much reason to believe the person vaping the above monstrosity would be worse off than a regular smoker - at least, from a cancer perspective.

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u/Ensorcelled_Atoms 420th Archmage of the High Elves 18d ago

Microplastics mostly

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u/PavelDatsyuk 18d ago edited 18d ago

That's fair(unless you have a glass tank, which these disposables in OP certainly do not).

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u/longagofaraway 18d ago

nicotine vapes contain other chemicals besides nicotine, including flavorings, solvents like propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and potentially harmful substances like heavy metals, volatile organic compounds, and carcinogens.

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u/A_pirates_life4me 18d ago

Ketchup and toothpaste contain vegetable glycerin and propane glycerin. Its used in freakin everything. 

"Potentially harmful substances" that can't even be named is the same thing as California labeling everything as potentially cancerous.  

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u/PavelDatsyuk 18d ago

What are you quoting?

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u/Shmidershmax 18d ago

I wish we could save scum reality and use the wiki to get the good ending

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u/throwaway61763 18d ago

Fuck, found an even better article about it. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9222281/

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u/Switch-Consistent 18d ago

Take it with a grain of salt but from what I've heard and read on the internet no. It's too early to get any real data but I'd imagine if vaping was super bad then we would be seeing class actions for anybody that worked at a haunted house

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u/PomegranateSignal882 18d ago

Vaping has been popular for 20 years. But nobody in the US will admit its relatively safe until 200 years go by, because the reduction in normal cigarette use takes master settlement money away from the government.

Every person who successfully quits smoking using vapes is thousands of dollars taken out of the government's pocket, which incentivizes propaganda demonizing the far safer alternative

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u/hadriker 18d ago

Almost certainly better than cigarettes, and almost certainly worse than not using one at all.

The best choice will always be to just not use nicotine, but if you'requit-smoking using it as a quit smoking aid, then that's a good thing.

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u/obsolete_obscurity 18d ago

Even with cigarettes, smoking one isn't gonna kill you. And no one works at a haunted house every single day for decades. And even if they did, it'd be such a trivially small number of people that it'd be statistically irrelevant. It generally takes a long time to get cancer from these kinds of things, for instance it takes on average 40 YEARS to develop mesothelioma after exposure to asbestos.

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u/throwaway61763 18d ago

Fuck, found an even better article about it. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9222281/

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u/spootlers 18d ago

The same thing was said about cigarettes and asbestos. The only way to really know is to look at it long term. The only thing we can say for sure is that nobody got supercancer from vaping yet.