r/interestingasfuck • u/SilkenSeraph • 1d ago

/r/all Ryan Waller, a 22-year-old man who, despite having a bullet in his eye, endured 4 hours of interrogation by cops who thought he was lying—only to receive medical help too late.

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u/Odd_Tax5061 1d ago

That's fucked up

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u/MmmBra1nzzz 1d ago

The entire interrogation is on YT. Even without any training, I could tell something was wrong early in.

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u/EgolessMortal 1d ago

But the cops thought he was faking it...

I remember seeing this years back, please tell me the officers invovled had some for of punishment other than paid leave for a month or two.

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u/tea-sipper42 1d ago

The Waller family filed a $15 million lawsuit against the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix for their mishandling of Ryan Waller’s case. The family spent four years preparing for the lawsuit, seeking justice for their son’s mistreatment during the investigation. Unfortunately, the lawsuit was unceremoniously dismissed just three weeks prior to the trial, leaving the family without the opportunity to pursue legal action against those responsible for their son’s mistreatment.

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u/notANexpert1308 1d ago

Why was it dismissed???

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u/gravityVT 1d ago edited 1d ago

The lawsuit filed by Ryan Waller’s family against the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix was dismissed due to an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries. This expert’s assessment led to the court’s decision to dismiss the case approximately three weeks before it was set to go to trial. 

Ryan’s father, Don Waller, contested this conclusion, arguing that the six-hour delay in medical treatment significantly contributed to the severity of Ryan’s condition. He pointed out that during this delay, Ryan’s brain was bleeding and swelling, which can lead to catastrophic injury. Despite securing a brain surgeon who was prepared to testify to this effect, the court ruled in favor of the defense’s expert, resulting in the dismissal of the lawsuit.

Source: https://weirdtruecrime.com/the-shocking-story-of-ryan-waller-heather-quan/

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u/charredfella 1d ago

That's fucked up. Where's the justice in that?

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u/AsstronautExplorer 1d ago

It’s a legal system not a justice system. You were just duped into thinking that justice is a goal for the courts.

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u/Ashky22 1d ago

A legal system. And laws are nothing but threats of institutional violence (unless you have enough privilege to be above the law). They are not restoring justice by any stretch.

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u/aspoonfulofsammy11 1d ago

Yep. It was probably that whole “With Liberty and Justice for All.” thing, that had us thinking there’d be some justice…

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u/diywayne 8h ago

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u/denbobo 1d ago

Someone get this comment an award

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u/ManyNicknames15 1d ago

This would have been flipped on proper appeal. I know that because I self-represented myself in lawsuits before. You can't side with one legal opinion of one side without hearing the other. Everyone is entitled to their day in court and to present their evidence contradictory and supporting. This is an abject failure of the legal system.

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u/Coyrex1 1d ago

Not surprised, courts will do what they need to give the city/cops a win.

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u/femaleZapBrannigan 1d ago

We should edit the pledge of allegiance and remove the liberty and justice for all part. 

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u/gfunk1369 1d ago

Perfectly said.

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u/SugarBeefs 1d ago

Cops are the biggest gang in America

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u/suicidaleggroll 1d ago

Cops and the courts that back them are the biggest gangs in America

FIFY

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u/Nameless1216 22h ago

Cops are just a government funded gang

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u/1980-whore 1d ago

Nah thats the army, the irony is i would be willing to bet these fuck nuts are basic training washouts. Every cycle has the power hungry little shits that cant be trusted. So naturally they wash out and go to the police academy talking about how they got medboarded or fought a drill sergent.

I love the compassionate cops genuinley trying to serve their communities. But my god the ones like this should be removed from any civil service and face signifigant prison sentences. We need a leavenworth for our boys in blue to be scared of.

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u/Academic_Ad5143 21h ago

This country is cooked man! I’m worried for my kids.

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u/ArgumentLatter4148 1d ago

ACAB!!! FUCK THE POLICE

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u/foul_ol_ron 1d ago

The justice of the government not having to pay a massive fine.  They investigated themselves,  and found themselves innocent /s

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u/theganjaoctopus 1d ago

Honey it's a legal system, not a justice system. If you get justice, it's despite the legal system, not because of it.

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u/TildeCommaEsc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you a lawyer? I knew a lawyer who used to tell me messed up stories about his work as a defense attorney, then would say the "It's a legal system, not a justice system."

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u/Long_Cod7204 1d ago

You had me at "Honey" (Sweetie also gets me). Perfect explanation, though.

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u/jduk43 1d ago

I have never thought about it in these terms but you’re right.

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u/mamurny 1d ago

i cant upvote this enough

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u/dhuntergeo 1d ago

That's criminal and the truth

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u/Plasmidmaven 1d ago

I just bookmarked that comment. It’s going up to the top on my list with, “ self- righteous while being self- serving”

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u/Spreaderoflies 1d ago

Justice in that we protected the cops who led to Ryan's disability and protected the city coffers from a multimillion dollar judgement or settlement. ACAB fuck them all

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u/ThatSandvichIsASpy01 1d ago

The justice is that the cops have to go and do it all again instead of getting paid time off

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u/Hugford_Blops 1d ago

And you know they have no guilt it think there's blood on their hands. They're really that ignorant to think that delaying medical care has no negative impacts on the guy.

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u/kevinnoir 1d ago

With Luigi

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u/femaleZapBrannigan 1d ago

It’s really the only way, apparently. 

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u/Estrald 1d ago

Exactly. How many times do cops murder both non-violent or INNOCENT bystanders, or rape women in custody, and it gets zero attention? No one pays for it, cops get off free! It’s a sick ring of debauchery that’s kept under wraps, premeditated and carried out by the people meant to protect us. Thousands upon thousands a year, it’s happening as we speak, to zero fanfare.

Oh Ho, but ONE disgruntled man (allegedly) shoots a billionaire CEO, and the fucking cops launch a worldwide manhunt and immediately seek the death penalty after a suspect has been caught. He’s been denied so many of his constitutional rights while under arrest, but no one can do anything, because the message is clear; We mean NOTHING to them. We’re chattel, filthy mud people, and they are the elite. So before anyone decides to lash out again, they’ll make an example out of Luigi, make sure we know that it’s never about the Justice we deserve…it’s how much Justice can you afford?

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u/joetwone 1d ago

Cops protecting cops.

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u/Beardopus 1d ago

There is no justice system.

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u/Fridge885 1d ago

PHX pd and the whole judiciary system in PHX is notoriously crooked, corrupt and biased. There was a case where a physically disabled unarmed man was tased and beaten on suspicion of being an armed robber. While store employees were telling the officers that he was innocent and they have the wrong guy during the whole incident they still arrested him and charged him with battery on a cop and resisting arrest. The dude was a totally different race from the guy who suspect the store literally black(innocent) and white(suspect). Going up in PHX I’ve seen police do some shady stuff out in the open without a care in the world now with body cameras it’s slowed em down but it won’t stop them. Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of good officers in PHX pd but the bad ones outshine em which is a shame.

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u/Tight_Tree_2789 1d ago

In the street.

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u/AardvarkEmpress 1d ago

It’s Phoenix. There is no justice.

Look into how many ignored sex crimes on minors there are in Maricopa County. Sheriff-who-must-not-be-named ignored so much and did so little.

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u/40yearoldnoob 1d ago

There is no justice in America when cops are the accused ones…..

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u/Bikesbassbeerboobs 1d ago

We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system. Important distinction.

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u/Tough-Effort7572 1d ago

It sounds fucked up, but there is an actual explanation. Everyone is talking about the six hours he was in custody, but the fact is the damage had been done literally 2-DAYS before the parents called for a welfare check. He was shot and left for dead on the 23rd of December, and only found when his parents called in a welfare check because he failed to show up for Christmas. There is no indication that the final six hours would have made any difference since the bullet had been lodged in his brain for over 40 hours already, and his symptoms suggest he had already sustained brain damage upon the initial shooting.

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u/eatcrayons 1d ago

Isn’t the point of the trial to hear from all sides and experts and witnesses? How can you hear one side say their part and just go “yeah okay” and not go through with the trial.

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u/mc360jp 1d ago

When you’re a judge employed by the city/state and this case could either cost them $15m or $0.

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u/AigataTakeshita 1d ago

Okay... I can see that being true. What about the unnecessary suffering? What about the absolute ineptitude?

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u/foul_ol_ron 1d ago

Won't somebody please think of the poor police feelings. They feel  that everyone thinks they're absolute bastards. Can't understand why...

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u/antifragile 1d ago edited 1d ago

Expert witnesses are just about always hired specifically to tell a narrative not the truth, because it's just an opinion, often a con job.

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u/Epyon214 1d ago

When you deny a legal remedy in a peaceful manner, you make violence inevitable. The entire purpose for the courts existence is to settle disputes without violence. The judge should be sued as well.

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u/TheLizardKing89 1d ago

an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries.

Even if that were true, isn’t that an issue of fact that should be decided at trial?

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u/superstar1751 1d ago

no suprise there, only way you get retribution when the government wrongs you is by taking it into your own hands

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u/bazilbt 1d ago

What the fuck? Isn't that something you would argue in court and not with a dismissal?

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u/New-Noise-7382 1d ago

Ahh but aint that America. This mentality explains the supplying weapons and genocide of Palestinians

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u/Ok_Reflection1950 1d ago

i hope judge and cop both end up in hell for this ! that just evil !

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u/RolandTwitter 1d ago

And people think we say "ACAB" because we want to be a part of a counter culture... No, there are reasons

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u/DemonInADesolateLand 1d ago

So they brought in an expert witness before the trial, without the family being able to challenge the witness or his opinions in any way, and threw out the case based on this expert's testimony.

That sounds totally normal.

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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 1d ago

The lawsuit filed by Ryan Waller’s family against the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix was dismissed due to an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries. This expert’s assessment led to the court’s decision to dismiss the case approximately three weeks before it was set to go to trial.

Isn't the whole point of a trial to allow both sides to present their case? Instead, a judge whose to dismiss this case based on the testimony from one side. That's not right.

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u/notANexpert1308 1d ago

Thank you for your sensible response

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u/Flecca 1d ago

Why does it say chatgpt.com

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u/ConsciousPatroller 1d ago

It was against police officers. In the US. That's all you need to know.

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u/Firm_Transportation3 1d ago

Shit, even if it hadn't been dismissed, the family only woudl have gotten a bunch of tax payer money. Sure, compensation woudl have been nice, but it wouldn't have impacted the officers responsible or the police department at all. If the officers had to foot the bill, that would at least seem more like justice but, no, they can do whatever they want.

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u/MS_Fume 1d ago

Classic america lol… i like how most of you somehow thought you’re the good guys up until now ..

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u/durden_zelig 1d ago

Paid leave is the punishment.

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u/Loud_Ad3666 1d ago

Paid leave and promotion.

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u/GGXImposter 1d ago

The promotion only happens if they are sent to a small town for 2 years. It's their goal, but they don't always break the law enough to earn it.

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u/LondonCollector 1d ago

To be fair it’s taking them away from the things they love, like beating citizens for minor inconveniences and killings pets for no reason.

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u/Drostan_S 1d ago

Can't forget beating the shit out of their spouses

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u/LondonCollector 1d ago

They do that if they’re suspended or not, so I didn’t think it was relevant.

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u/yotreeman 1d ago

What do you mean? They’re on paid leave, they still get to maintain the same lifestyle financially while freeing up all that time they would have spent working for more time beating their spouse!!

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u/Training_Raise_5823 1d ago

Wait, so I can get paid time off AND more time to beat my spouse? And all I need to do is 20 weeks of training?

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u/series_hybrid 1d ago

How many cops does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two, but nothing gets changed, and they just beat the room for being dark.

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u/LaurenMille 1d ago

Three.

One to drag a random civilian off of the street and order them to change the bulb, a second one to execute them after they're done, and a third to record it while laughing.

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u/series_hybrid 1d ago

If you have a problem and you call the police, now you have two problems.

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u/he-loves-me-not 1d ago

You forgot the one to shoot the dog

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u/Induced_Karma 1d ago

They’ll make up for it with their wives and children.

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u/SlowThePath 1d ago

"I can't believe you did that. To teach you a lesson we are sending you on paid vacation for a month."

It sounds so ridiculous when you call it what it is, but people don't seem to bat an eye.

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u/Mobile_Actuator_4692 1d ago

That’s called holiday 😬😬

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u/Cjmainy 1d ago

Man I really hope I end up in a career where the punishment for bad work is free money

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u/ZealousWolf1994 1d ago

Vacation from exerting their authority on their victims is their punishment.

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u/griffinhamilton 1d ago

Paid leave is just their get out of jail free card being on cooldown

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u/btc909 1d ago

Being fired and immediately picked up by another department is punishment.

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u/rainzer 1d ago

please tell me the officers invovled had some for of punishment other than paid leave for a month or two.

They even dismissed the lawsuit the Waller family filed. So you can be sure the officers involved didn't see any punishment.

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u/SurpriseDonovanMcnab 1d ago

Those cops are likely in leadership positions now.

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u/Cardi_Ganz 1d ago

They're the ones running around kidnapping people as ICE.

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u/Own-Dot1463 1d ago

please tell me the officers invovled had some for of punishment other than paid leave for a month or two.

Of course not, and this is the problem with so much of our society. When the state doesn't protect us we need to demand accountability. Name names every single time.

The scumbag piece of trash known as Lead Detective Paul Dalton kept Waller in a cop car for 4 hours and then interrogated him for 2 without allowing medical professional to tend to him. Lead Detective Paul Dalton is responsible for Waller's death, and the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix are complicit.

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u/wingnutzx 1d ago

Cops love invading your privacy until there's an actual bullet inside of you

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u/Ok-Winter-8077 1d ago

Come on. You know better than to hope that. It's the usual "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."

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u/Old-Adhesiveness-156 1d ago

They just said they thought he was faking it. They probably knew and kept him there on cruelty and malice alone.

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u/Enough-Parking164 1d ago

😂😂😂👍

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u/Major_Call_6147 1d ago

Cops get trained to be aggressive and suspicious, which is why without any police training you’d handle this better, by calling a doctor. And even if you thought he might be lying, the doctor could clarify that real quick

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u/longhegrindilemna 1d ago

Wait, you mean American cops get trained to be suspicious and aggressive.

Because in Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea cops are trained to defuse, de escalate, and assist people. Real life helpers.

Our cops in America are very different. And what’s weirder, is that none of us voters are doing anything to improve the situation.

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u/Mindshard 1d ago

Look up the "Killology" course American tax dollars paid for cops to be taught. The instructor literally tells them to have sex right after killing someone, because it'll be the best sex they've ever had in their life.

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u/Henderson-McHastur 1d ago

Some of the trainees hesitate and question the instructor during a simulation of a dangerous encounter with an unstable, possibly armed subject. The first instincts of the trainees are to hold their ground and try talking her down, because they don't want to shoot a woman who might just be having a really, really bad day.

The instructor loudly reprimands them for not emptying their pistol into the lady. Something about endangering their own life and the lives of their fellow officers. They are taught to prioritize themselves.

The people who are supposed to protect you are trained to think of themselves as more worthy of life than you.

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u/smurb15 1d ago

In sure that won't lead to them killing more to achieve the best sex ever. Anyone else see the same thing a drug addict chases but we know cops have an ungodly amount of moral they can take it

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u/IntheBocksVT 1d ago

my ace ass cannot comprehend this shit

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u/Warm_Month_1309 1d ago

One of my favorite psychological studies involves testing our ability to spot lies.

You take a regular person, show them a video of someone speaking, and ask them to mark when they believe they are being untruthful. We're actually pretty good at it, which makes sense, because a lot of our socialization is about learning to recognize patterns in behavior, even if you don't realize you're doing it.

Then take someone who has specialized training in spotting deception and show them the same video, and they will perform worse than a regular person.

Because all of that "liars tend to look up and to the right because they are accessing the creative part of their brain" nonsense misleads you, and distracts you from your innate ability to spot liars.

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u/r0llingthund3r 1d ago

I would love to see that actual study if you happen to have a link handy

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u/CapsNats17 1d ago

Interesting.. I’ve read the opposite, that we overestimate our ability to identify when someone is lying and it’s more of a coin flip

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u/IDK_SoundsRight 1d ago

Many voters are trying... But when the majority of the nation is too wrapped up in political showmanship and "othering"

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u/opus3535 1d ago

What is a little surprising is how desperate the christians are trying to get their "way of life" back as the standard in the US. They would rather burn the country down than accept any other outcome.

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u/Medical_String_3367 1d ago

The version of the country they want is based on hate. Christians in name only.

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u/IDK_SoundsRight 1d ago

Yeah... If even half of these "Christians" actually did as Jesus did... We'd be in a socialist eutopia ..

Feed the poor Heal the sick

Oh well.

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u/Lavender-n-Lipstick 1d ago edited 1d ago

Isn’t the god of the Old Testament exactly that kind of lunatic? Jesus is more chilled out but we already know that Christians only care about living up to Yahweh’s backward-ass example.

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u/RedditPosterOver9000 1d ago

Old testament god is just a deity based on older religions' having a diety (among others, before monotheism became popular) that basically hated humans. Killing humanity with floods because the asshole god feels like it is pretty standard for the religions Christianity and Judaism are descended from. Oh, and there's always a lesser deity/angel/spirit that warns one human and gives them very specific blueprints for a wooden ship and to gather two of each animal to wait out the world being flooded by sending a bird to retrieve a piece of grass/leaf to show the waters are receding. Christianity is just the latest Disney remake of something that's been copied dozens or hundreds of times already.

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u/neuromonkey 1d ago

Americans have become adept at fantasizing that we are the protagonists in our adventure movie. We don't think that we're poor, we're "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." We won't be treated badly by cops, that's the bad people.

We've been lulled into stupidity by decades of self-delusion and make-believe.

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u/longhegrindilemna 20h ago

Your comment should be the TOP comment.

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u/Larkfor 1d ago

And what’s weirder, is that none of us voters are doing anything to improve the situation.

Both parties support cops almost without question.

When the people protest against police brutality we are then brutalized by police, and even so-called "progressives" still invite those same cops to their events and glorify them as heroes.

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u/Downtown_Recover5177 1d ago

Oh yes, the infamously peaceful Chinese police. They’re very good at de-escalation, as long as de-escalation includes torture and imprisonment for anyone protesting against the CCP.

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u/MontrealChickenSpice 1d ago

But Tough On Crime!

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u/Itherial 1d ago

Did you just cite Chinese police as being real life helpers trained to assist people lol

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u/starynights890 1d ago

Homie they can't and won't do nothing to a convicted felon making a mockery of our constitution and the balance of powers. Dude is legit crooked on a global scale and all of our "systems" to prevent this are being operated by people who are just sitting back.

Honestly bro the future looks grim and I don't see how this will change without a serious revolution cause right now we don't have a democracy we have an orange dictator.

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u/GyrKestrel 1d ago

Same. My wife and I were on it immediately. He was clearly exhibiting some concussion symptoms, but the idiot cop was too busy being a persecuting jackass to see it.

Showed it to some friends, and they acted just like the cop, picking apart his delirious argument, hungry for blood. Guess it's not that obvious to everyone.

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u/coilt 1d ago

i remember watching the JCS on this way back, and when he said how they came in, killed his girlfriend, killed him i felt like i was in a horror movie

this was probably the most fucked up thing i ever heard about

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u/bambu36 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ijust watched it myself and the first question after reading him his rights they ask is "what's the highest grade you completed in school?"

and Ryan says 'i don't know'

cop then asks "you don't know the highest grade you went through?"

Ryan says "8th."

Cops asks "8th? 8th grade? Did you graduate?"

Ryan answers "Ya."

Cop "do ya.. do ya have a ged?"

Ryan "i don't know"

He's not being sarcastic or combative. You're so right. It's immediately obvious something is wrong. Jesus Christ.

Here's images of his face just before the interrogation. I believe the wound on the left side of his nose is the entrance wound and it traveled through his nose and into his cheek at nearly the same location in the opposite side of his nose. Thats what I'm assuming based on the look of his left eye, the paramedics in the interrogation. The op of this thread said he was shot twice but i don't recall hearing that in the podcasts I've listened to or news stories I've read that cover it.

Minor nsfw. Basically looks like someone who got beat up really bad with a couple of small round wounds

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/s/kOUID58VsF

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u/mikel_jc 1d ago

Because American cops get about 15 minutes of training and a power trip. You're overqualified

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u/DaddyGogurt 1d ago

“What’s the highest grade you’ve completed in school?” “Uh…. B”

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u/Unable_Traffic4861 1d ago

With training you would be very much able to tell that nothing was wrong. Not that you would be wrong, it's the training.

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u/kokirikorok 1d ago

Pretty sure EWU has it up on their channel

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u/catplausible 1d ago

I watched that video, it was infuriating. Poor kid.

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u/Disastrous_Face_8039 1d ago

The training takes away the human instinct

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u/No_Discipline6265 21h ago

A brick could tell something was wrong with him. His face being that black and blue and the fact he's incoherent should have been enough for medical intervention even before he told them he'd been shot. 

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u/necessary_plethora 1d ago

If I recall correctly, the intruders killed his girlfriend and shot him in the head. He remained in the apartment where they were assaulted/murdered for several days in a daze, unsure of what was happening. When a welfare check finally revealed the scene, he was then taken in for interrogation and completely medically neglected

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u/LinnunRAATO 1d ago

I recall him even trying to tell them that he was shot in the head. They just brushed off the bruise/blood as a black eye before someone took a closer look.

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u/BrandoDaSavage 1d ago

Yeah, at one point he literally tells them that somebody shot him in the face with a revolver and the cops go, "nuh uh, because you'd be dead, stoopit. So anyway, can you just confess while you're kind of out of it that you killed your girlfriend so I can go get some lunch pls?"

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u/ParticularGuava3663 1d ago

Also,  he even replies,  yea i thought that too man! ( that he'd be dead) he's like idk man, that's what i thought too, but my head hurts!

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u/Tough-Effort7572 1d ago

He initially says he was shot with a bow and arrow. Then a revolver. Then back to arrows and some other nonsense. Eventually the cops decides this kid is too fucked up to be lying and takes a closer look.

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u/KS-RawDog69 1d ago

e literally tells them that somebody shot him in the face with a revolver and the cops go, "nuh uh, because you'd be dead, stoopit.

To their credit, that's usually pretty fatal, so the fact he was somewhat coherent and talking would make me pretty skeptical...

... of course they should've had EMTs come and evaluate this statement, if for no other reason than to tell him he's full of shit if he hasn't been shot.

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u/Critical-Bass7021 1d ago

To their not-credit, he died.

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u/Sargentrock 1d ago

Well sure, Mister Negative, if that's how you want to look at it that would probably be the downside.

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u/SteveMartin32 1d ago

Fun fact this has been trained out ( in other words they say just because you get shot doesn't mean you die mentally) in cleet in oklahoma because it was becoming an issue. They even showed instances of people still being alive for a bit with the top of their head blown off but the brain still being intact. This was about 2013 when they started doing that.

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u/Loud_Basil_8296 1d ago

So you‘re telling me the wound at the end of Fight Club isn‘t that unrealistic?

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u/coopermf 1d ago

Hell, the lobotomy was discovered when a guy who was severely depressed shot himself in the head through the frontal lobe one day. People found him the next morning calmly making himself some eggs for breakfast.

Lots of what we know about where functions are in the brain came from people suffering gruesome injuries and not dying. Another guy working on the railroad went to hammer a spike into a rock not realizing the dynamite charge was already in the hole. The rod shot out through the roof of his mouth and out the top of his head. He lived but it damaged the part of his brain that regulates emotion and he had wild mood swings from hilarious laughter to sobbing the remainder of his life.

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u/narmowen 1d ago

The 2nd is Phineas Gage.

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u/coopermf 1d ago

Phineas makes sense. He was Irish, right?

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u/SteveMartin32 1d ago

Humans are weird. Both fragile and resilient

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u/RyuNoKami 1d ago

Yep. Bullet through the head, nah you be fine. Slight knock on the head, dead a few hours later.

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u/z31 1d ago

So the gunshot at the end of fight club doesn't go through The Protagonist's head, if you look closely you can see that it went out of the back corner of his jaw. Because the protagonist was mentally intending to kill himself the shot "killed" Tyler Durden, but left the protagonist alive.

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u/Cachemorecrystal 1d ago

People have had metal rods shoved through their head and lived to tell about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

Another more recent one

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u/Bright_Cod_376 1d ago

To their discredit. Its not unusual for a bullet to the head to miss actually vital shit. It's why you hear about suicides with multiple shots, the angle was bad the first time, they survived, but still had enough of their brain left to pull the trigger again. One of the first gore images I ever saw on the internet was a man who tried to swallow his shot gun but only succeeded in blowing his fucking face off, surviving and not being able to pull the trigger a second time to end his own agony from the failed first attempt.

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u/Own_Television163 1d ago

I'm not involved in a career that heavily involves firearms and I can come up with a couple stories off the top of my head where people have survived gunshot wounds to the head.

It's not to their credit at all. ACAB.

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u/Cachemorecrystal 1d ago

To their credit?

Regardless, he should have been seen by medical personnel before being interrogated. His face is 1/3rd black/blue, it would have taken an hour to get someone over, or take him to a hospital, for a check him out but instead he had to wait 6 hours in a cruiser and 4 hours in an interrogation with absolutely jackshit. I've seen suspects with zero injuries say they were hurt and taken to the hospital only to be immediately released back to the cops for interrogation. THAT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE, not whatever the fuck they did. They deserve no credit except for his death.

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u/Asleep_Owl_6926 1d ago

TIL you look at his face…

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u/littleempires 1d ago

This poor guy kept saying intruders shot him and his girlfriend with bows and arrows and the cops didn’t think in that moment “maybe something isn’t right”. He couldn’t find the word for gun because he got shot in the head. He even had a black eye from the bullet going into his skull, but they thought it was from his girlfriend fighting back.

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u/CryptidxChaos 1d ago

Hell, there was a black eye on one side and a VERY obvious black spot that looked too round to be anything else but a dark mole or birthmark by his nose/eye socket IIRC, but considering his appearance, behaviors, and his insistence that he was shot in the face, my first thought would've been to look more closely at him and his wounds.

This whole thing was just sad. He tried his best to explain that he was a victim, and died anyway.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

The only shining light in the whole story is he identified his attacker and got justice for himself and his girlfriend.

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u/SahuaginDeluge 1d ago

if he had a "black eye", then isn't he injured, and therefore a paramedic should examine him before anything else? though that could end up the same way if they are just as careless as the cops were.

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u/CryptidxChaos 1d ago

Exactly. That's part of why this is such a tragedy. He didn't receive the care he ought to have gotten and was instead neglected until he eventually died. Granted, the detectives interviewing him did eventually realize he had a straight up bullet hole in his face, but it was far too late by then.

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u/vegasAzCrush 1d ago

Maybe look at his drivers license photo

Regardless any injury get to hospital and others can put yellow tape up to kerp crine scene secure.

As a resident I want Police Unions to be forced to buy insurance but force higher dues and pay for the civil suit

This is on police. Police leadership. Police idiots and oversight

Put judge on leave as well. And that expert needs to perhaps pay too as my guess id hes a paid by police consuktant and all his past cases need to be reviewed as well.

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u/Tough-Effort7572 1d ago

He died because he walked around with a bullet lodged in his brain for two solid days. That last few hours wouldn't have changed anything. It would have saved him hours of agonizing pain and discomfort, though.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

Dude the moment he said "We were in the same book at school" and said his girlfriend wasn't his girlfriend and couldn't remember her name. He didn't just have a black eye, you could literally see the hole in his face where one of the bullets went in, IN THE INTERROGATION FOOTAGE. The cops just didn't give a fuck.

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u/Ricky-Snickle 1d ago

To be fair, cops are really dumb, and terrible at their jobs.

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u/theidkid 1d ago

That was after he sat in a police cruiser for six hours at the scene. 

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u/Mike_Ockhertz 1d ago

But it makes sense if you understand just how fucking stupid cops are

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u/WorkOnThesisInstead 1d ago

And arrogant.

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u/davekingofrock 1d ago

And cruel.

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u/Nekasus 1d ago

and malicious

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

"I don't think you'd be sitting here if you got shot in the face bud"
"Yeah that's what I thought too!"
.....
15 minutes later

"Let me take a look at your face. Oh shit, I'm just gonna call for some help"

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5 minutes later

"Why am I going to the hospital?"
"We just need them to have a look at you buddy"

Fucking moronic dipshit cops. This was almost 8 hours after his arrest.

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u/FlemPlays 1d ago

Especially when a precedence was set by the courts where a department could turn down people for being too smart: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

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u/zph0eniz 1d ago

thats the thing, its not just that. They are abusing power. Taking justice in there own hands

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u/Niarbeht 1d ago

Well, as we can see, it's not justice. It's punishment. Taking justice into their own hands would have involved them actually getting the guy medical attention and, y'know, investigating the crimes that had taken place. If they had been taking justice into their own hands, they would have been trying to determine the truth.

No.

Cops don't take justice into their own hands.

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u/SelfServeSporstwash 1d ago

I don't think people grasp how monumentally stupid cops are in the US.

I have been detained MULTIPLE TIMES for driving a "stolen" vehicle. In fact, its been the same vehicle every time. I even got arrested once for it. It was, and indeed still is, my own damn car. Its registered in my name(which perfectly matches my drivers license), I have the proper insurance on it, the plate is the same one the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania issued to it on the day it was deemed a historic antique vehicle. Its. My. Car. I have only ever received one moving violation, for going 39mph in a 35mph zone.

So how have I been given so many issues by cops? Because they are almost impossibly dumb. Its a Triumph Spitfire. Once a cop simply refused to believe that I, a teenager (at the time) , could possibly own and maintain an antique car like that. He didn't let me go until I called my dad who verified that it was indeed my car. Once a different cop believed my clearly marked Triumph Spitfire was actually a cleverly disguised stolen MG midget and that I was clearly a master criminal since I so expertly made it look like a Spitfire. Obviously I was involved in a car theft ring since I had "forged" (real) documents regarding its ownership and I had "hacked" (properly registered) the state database to make the plates point to me... this is the time I got arrested. Again, I was literally arrested because a cop was too stupid to figure out that an MG Midget and a Triumph Spitfire are different cars.

My favorite story though is from last fall. The cop who pulled me over comes out of his car immediately in a huff, yelling at me, with his hand on his gun the whole time. He screams "you must be a god damn moron if you thought you'd get away with that!". Curious, I ask him what exactly I did. He *screams* that I know exactly what I did (I did not). Come to find out he believes I have a motorcycle license plate on my car. I do not, the plate on this car was issued specifically for this car, it has never been on any other vehicle, and I feel compelled to point out that it is a full-sized car license plate. It is not a motorcycle plate, which is MUCH smaller. But this man is convinced its a motorcycle plate, nothing will change his mind. He thinks this because the plate is tied to a Triumph (Spitfire) and "Triumph makes motorcycles". I tried, gently, to explain that actually they are different companies, although a very long time ago they were the same, and the company that made this car did, in fact, manufacture cars for several decades. He wasn't having it. This moron detained me for almost an hour until his sergeant came and chewed him out for being incomprehensibly stupid.

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u/SuperPipouchu 1d ago

Wait, so they pull you over because it's suspicious that you're young and driving that car? Then double down when you show documentation? (I'm Australian, so while our cops here aren't a shining example, at least they're generally better than in the US- hence why I'm asking, because I want to make sure I'm understanding what they've done to you, because it's so extreme! Not saying you're lying, just that it's bonkers that they do that.)

Even if they saw you driving and it's less common for a young person to own an antique car, why isn't it possible that, for example, it's your family's car? Or you inherited it? Or your parents bought it for you? Or even that you're renting it for the day for, say, a photoshoot? There's plenty of plausible reasons for a young person to have an expensive car, none of which involve a teenager saving up to buy it, then maintaining it. And even so, perhaps you earned a bunch of money as a child from acting or something. Perhaps you started a business and got lucky. Perhaps you won a competition. Perhaps you love and are very talented at fixing up cars. Hell, perhaps you made a terrible financial decision and got a ridiculous loan for it. There are a whole bunch of reasons that you could have that car!

Ugh. The criminal justice system in some countries is so unjust and biased. We can do SO MUCH BETTER, but that requires a complete overhauling of the system, and unfortunately it becomes a huge political debate. We know what doesn't work to reduce crime (being "tough on crime" and punishment systems with pretty much no rehabilitation) and what's much more effective (things like the Norweigan criminal justice system, that looks at the systemic causes of crime and works to reduce those, leading to a reduction in crime, and actually rehabilitating prisoners with prison workers who have extensive training.) It shouldn't be such a huge political debate, but unfortunately, it is...

Sorry for ranting! I'm a criminologist, and the way so many countries have set up their criminal justice system frustrates me to no end.

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u/painandsuffering3 1d ago

Y'all hear about the time jeffrey dahmer's victim escaped his apartment and the police literally brought him back to the apartment and left lol

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u/QWEEFMONSOON 1d ago

We should be rioting more than we do

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u/OhighOent 1d ago

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.

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u/theoriginal_awsit 1d ago

I would upvote this 1000 times if I could

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u/Schnitzelklopfer247 1d ago

*american cops

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u/yayll 1d ago

lol no I promise you power corrupts beyond the borders of one shit ass country

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u/solrac1144 1d ago

That’s the “justice” system.

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u/natlikenatural 1d ago

Criminal punishment system. I don't see a lot of justice.

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u/Key_Law7584 1d ago

correct, we have a punishment system, not a justice system. if only the general public understood this.

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u/Gren57 1d ago

Except, too often, rightful criminal punishment isn't handed out. They just get elected.

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u/RuprectGern 1d ago

criminal prosecution system.

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u/sid_not_vicious-11 1d ago

very much so

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u/sidewaysflower 1d ago

And what's even worse is that he died from a seizure which was related to his injuries. The City of Phoenix dismissed the case when his family filed a lawsuit again the Phoenix PD. So no justice for Ryan Waller.

The way police treat people who are experiencing a medical emergencies when in custody is just sick and inhumane. If they really believed in justice, they would say ok, let's get you checked at the hospital, and then you can tell us what happened.

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u/k4f123 1d ago

ACAB

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u/travers329 1d ago

Without even looking, This is America.

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u/Jhonniebg 15h ago

They f up all the time

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